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new variety of semilanceata, or normal?
    #11274302 - 10/19/09 12:17 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

so went out for a hunt in my feild and found 21 different mushrooms, but thats for a different thread...

i was looking for liberties and found the usual mycena, i went to take a closer look and about a foot away i found liberties!


but upon further inspection, they had some weird features.





no nipple! and they're growing in a tight bunch




the above is a really good example


a normal semilanceata for comparison


see, more pins forming a tight cluster


i also found this

so, does this normally happen? where there will be a tight cluster of nipple-les libs?

i know they're at least a psilocybe because they bruise blue, have a purple print, and i think they must be related to libs because of the sepperable layer of clear sticky flesh.

these were approxamately 50 feet away from other liberties, and very close to mycena


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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: tripcat]
    #11274319 - 10/19/09 12:20 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

Possibly Psilocybe strictipes.
Nice pictures, I really like your first one:cool:
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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: inski]
    #11274344 - 10/19/09 12:24 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

I'm new to the mushroom scene so I'm not going to try and identify anything for you, for the simple fact I dont want to be the cause of death/whatever may happen, but.. nice pictures, and that last mushroom looks weirdddd.


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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: inski]
    #11274650 - 10/19/09 01:07 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

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Possibly Psilocybe strictipes.



Good call.

Tripcat, what country and/or state are you in?


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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: CureCat]
    #11274771 - 10/19/09 01:20 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

washington state.

i thought strictipes still had a nipple, just not the sharp points that liberties have.

so, just another isolated mutation or something?

i was also wondering about potency. half of what i collect are these hemispherical-capped mushrooms..


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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: tripcat]
    #11274843 - 10/19/09 01:30 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

No, one of the differentiating features between the two species is that P. strictipes does not have an umbo.

There is a wikipedia page on the species, and more info can easily be found using google.


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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: CureCat]
    #11274905 - 10/19/09 01:37 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

yeah, i checked the wiki and google imaged things. its just that none of the pictures were as perfectly hemispherical as mine.

okay. i guess i'll go google around for the potency.

thanks for your help! :smile:


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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: tripcat]
    #11274960 - 10/19/09 01:45 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

Moderately active to potent, probably not as potent as Psilocybe semilanceata.
The pileus of P. strictipes can have a low umbo but not an acute one like P. semilanceata.
The spores of P. strictipes are slightly smaller than those of P. semilanceata and I'm not positive but I don't think the cheilocystidia are branched as those of P. semilanceata can be!
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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: inski]
    #11275540 - 10/19/09 04:45 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

cool, thanks! :thumbup:

i was trying to find all of that info


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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: inski]
    #11275545 - 10/19/09 04:48 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

They just as well be ps.semilanceata for that matter.
The lack of an acute umbo (or other typical macroscopical feature) is not very reliable to distinguish ps.strictipes from ps.semilanceata.

The tight clustering , color and stipe remind me of this fenotype of ps.semilanceata i sometimes encounter.



It was identified by workman as ps.semilanceta.

So was this type



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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: kaal-kopje]
    #11275549 - 10/19/09 04:57 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

hmmmm......

it's seeming more and more likely that p. semilanceata is prone to minor genetic mutations.

strictipes as an example, and also that people on this forum have posted quite a few threads about liberty albinos, sterile ones, extremely tall ones, and others that i can't think of.

i've never seen any of that with baeocystis, cyanescens, azurescens, etc..


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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: tripcat]
    #11275583 - 10/19/09 05:22 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

Yes or the macroscopical appearance of ps.semilanceata is more easily altered by local growing conditions then the other species you mentioned.

I've seen them blue,red,olive,white, with acute- flattened- perfect hemispherical caps, with straight- incurved- or folded outwards margin, smooth stipe, 'furry' stipe, straight stipe, long, short, meaty, fragile etc


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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: kaal-kopje]
    #11275890 - 10/19/09 09:26 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

Compare these other suspected Psilocybe strictipes found by Mikael: link.

I've never knowingly found P. strictipes but as was mentioned, the complete lack of umbo makes me at least doubt that they are Psilocybe semilanceata. Then P. strictipes becomes the most obvious candidate.


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Re: new variety of semilanceata, or normal? [Re: Asht0n]
    #11276040 - 10/19/09 10:21 AM (8 years, 3 days ago)

libs are like people,they come in many shapes and  sizes.but then there are simliar mushrooms like strictipes,which is very similiar macroscopically,I also think linoformans and subfimetarias are very close as well and you probably may find them all in the similiar habitat.but distinguising them positivily one must look at the microscopic features I think.if it has all the identifying characteristics, likke viscid pellicle and purple brown spores ,just be happy you found some magics.


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