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pomegranate seedlings *genetics question???*
    #11247247 - 10/14/09 06:32 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

3 bucks a fruit. so i bought one so i could get the seed. does anyone else know what i should do at this point? i really want a pomegranate bush or tree or whatever it is.

my dad had one wwhen i was like 15 and it had the best fruit. pest were a big problem especially chinch beetles. a lot of them to be semi-exact but other wise a very healthy plant.

to me $3 is expensive and the juice is even more so. i saw a small jug once for like 13 dollars.:eek: so any advice is greatly appreciated.:grin:


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: ferrel_human]
    #11247256 - 10/14/09 06:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I have tried growing from fruits seeds but never had any luck.

The trees are cheap and can be found at most nurseries as far as I've seen.

They'll grow well in your area too.


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: Cactusdan]
    #11247269 - 10/14/09 06:37 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

man that sucks. will i be doomed from the get go?

i thought it might be cheaper this way. what do you think?


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: ferrel_human]
    #11247273 - 10/14/09 06:38 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Give it a try, ya never know :tongue:

Look up germ techniques too, I think i just sucked the pulp off and stuck em in dirt cups :lol:


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: Cactusdan]
    #11247284 - 10/14/09 06:40 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

yeah i'll have to do that. thanks danny for the help.:grin:


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: ferrel_human]
    #11247294 - 10/14/09 06:43 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

nps mate :super:


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: Cactusdan]
    #11247434 - 10/14/09 07:07 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I did soemthing similar, I ate a plum called a Greengage and it was so awesome I took several seeds and planted them in my garden...

Heres vaguely hoping..


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: Cactusdan]
    #11247468 - 10/14/09 07:13 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I got one that sprouted from the compost heap one year.  So... they're certainly not sterile. But I couldn't begin to tell you any sort of methodology to use for germinating the seeds.  Offhand I'd say they're designed to be eaten and excreted by various mammals, which means they might need roughing up quite a bit to get germination. 

Personally I'd probably go with buying a small tree.  I generally don't trust fruit trees from seed. You don't want to spend 5-10 years growing something just to find out that it wasn't true to seed and makes small bitter fruits. Apples are notorious for this, and it extends to most tree fruits.


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: Horticulture]
    #11247552 - 10/14/09 07:33 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

what do you mean by true to seed the seed wasn't mature enough and they'll never produce full size fruits?


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: tenacioustornado]
    #11247855 - 10/14/09 08:16 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

No. 'True to seed' refers to whether an offspring is similar to the parent.  It has to do with genetics rather than seed quality.  Some plants that have had a lot of breeding work done on them have very precise genetics.  When these plants sets seed, the chance of getting an offspring that is similar to the parent can be astronomically low. For one thing, the plant that cross pollinated it may have been a wild version of the plant, thus undoing a lot of the breeding work. 

With some things it doesn't matter if it was wild or if it was another plant of similar quality.  Apples are like this. I talked to an breeder who worked some with apples said the chance of getting an offspring that meets/exceeds the quality of either parent from two good apple cultivars is on the order of 1/10000.  This is one of the reason that almost all fruit trees are grafted. 

This is why many people consider bagseed a waste of time.  And similar to why gourmet mushroom growers spend so much time isolating and using cultures rather than simply restarting from spore each time.


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: Horticulture]
    #11248381 - 10/14/09 09:31 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

i have a pretty big pomagranate bush.  which parts are the seed, the red "seeds" that you eat? 

if it possible to take a cutting or layer pomagranate bushes?  if so maybe i can take one for you


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: fatso]
    #11248527 - 10/14/09 09:49 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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i have a pretty big pomagranate bush.  which parts are the seed, the red "seeds" that you eat? 

if it possible to take a cutting or layer pomagranate bushes?  if so maybe i can take one for you




i called my dad and asked him about seeds. he thought i had a cutting but its seeds. he has never delt with seeds though.

you got a cutting? hit me with a :pm: man. i love to aquire one.


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: ferrel_human]
    #11248615 - 10/14/09 10:00 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

not yet.  i dont even know if its possible.  im trying to layer some passion flower right now but there not rooting in the soil in the ground so now im trying to do it in a pot. 


anyway,  id be glad to give it a shot it someone can tell me if itts possible or what the best method is.  and if they dont ill try anyway lol


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: ferrel_human]
    #11249053 - 10/14/09 11:05 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno about layering, but I imagine that a soft wood cutting and some rooting hormones or a willow branch could get some roots out of it.

I have a tree back home, if I swing by there next week I'll see about taking a clipping and giving it a try :tumbup:


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: Cactusdan]
    #11249376 - 10/15/09 12:02 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

From: Manual of Woody Landscape Plants By: Michael A. Dirr
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Seeds germinate readily but progeny is extremely variable; this would be a good species to work with as far as flower color improvements and compactness. Germination results at PII showed 30 days stratification hastened and unified the process; 60 days may prove optimum.  Softwood cuttings root readily; I have had good results with cuttings taken as late as September. The literature searches turned up numerous rooting studies, particularly prevalent in Indian horticulture literature, 5000 ppm IBA was an effective concentration for rooting basal and sub-apical cuttings. Also numerous tissue culture research papers utilized hardwood cuttings with good success.




Here is some propagation info I dug up from my library. Looks like they are not true to seed at all but that they're pretty easy to propagate. This inspires me to do some work with the ratty looking one I've got in my greenhouse.  It was a birthday gift a while back. Hasn't bloomed since the first year. I think 'Wonderful' is the cultivar on it but I'm not sure. Damn my disorderliness.


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: Horticulture]
    #11249511 - 10/15/09 12:21 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

According to that very great quote you posted it looks like it may be a bit too late to take a cutting, but mine is in FL where it is still quite warm, so a cutting I shall take!

There's actually one in Georgia I've seen around, maybe I'll try taking one from that if I can get permission.


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: Cactusdan]
    #11249976 - 10/15/09 01:31 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

they are also common bonsai....now i doubt very much any bonsai growers have a selective breeding program for these, but i doubt they are looking at fruit quality when breeding them.  Like hort said, from seeds you are left with complete unknown variables...but thats not all bad, that is also how new things are brought to market...ain't nothing new or fun with 100% cloning.

they do cuttings and seeds fairly well.  germinate them like you would a yopo but dont plant so deep.


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: kadakuda]
    #11250268 - 10/15/09 02:21 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

noob question. whats soft wood cutting?


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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: fatso]
    #11250298 - 10/15/09 02:27 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: i bought a pomegranate [Re: karode13]
    #11251125 - 10/15/09 07:12 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Just give them bottom heat, some humidity and sow them just below the surface. If you do that, it all depends on if your seeds are viable or not.


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