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 cubies77
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 Point to Tripping? 
#11246191 - 10/14/09 01:53 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whenever I trip, I like to think about it as an enlightening experience that allows my mind to see things in a way that I could not before. Part of me wants to accept that for what it is and enjoy myself, but there's always a voice in the back of my head that tells me I'm just zonking myself out and everything I see and hear on a trip is just a figment of my imagination. I feel like if I allow myself to believe that I'm having a (spiritual, mystical, etc.) experience, I am purposefully ignoring a part of my rational thinking which I otherwise would not.
I'm curious, what do you guys take away from your trips and do you think that allowing yourself to be so moved by a trip is actually meaningful, or just short of imbecility?
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 Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11246242 - 10/14/09 02:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think its actually meaningul. when i trip i trip good. so i already reachted that key enlightening level so now i just like explore. anything imaginable ill run with it and explore it to the fullest i can. i know that theres so much more out there we know nothing about so i see it as an exploration through know time and space each time i trip.
ive had sum pretty crazy trips, to the point of psychosis prolly. but as i return to soberland each time i know that it was just temporary no harm done, and that im really actually just learning alot of new stuff, getting closer to the other realms out there, becoming a part of them....
im a huge fucking treehugger now tho. lol. thanx to drugs 
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11246246 - 10/14/09 02:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yo just trippin brah 
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: Fisherman]
#11246273 - 10/14/09 02:05 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Man, I totally know what you mean. I've had points (mainly on acid) where i'm just sitting back while my vision and mind is getting annihilated, and I'm sitting there thinking what's the point of this?
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: Fisherman]
#11246292 - 10/14/09 02:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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See, I want to accept it as meaningful, and it most certainly has changed my outlook on life, but sometimes end up looking at it as just a reaction to a chemical in my body that makes my mind think of crazy shit. Cause and effect type stuff. I don't mean to be a buzzkill.
I wonder if this is a stage that will pass (as I'm still new to tripping)?
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Man, I totally know what you mean. I've had points (mainly on acid) where i'm just sitting back while my vision and mind is getting annihilated, and I'm sitting there thinking what's the point of this?
Thats exactly what i'm talking about! (and yet I keep coming back for more, searching for that moment of enlightenment that everyone on here raves about)
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11246345 - 10/14/09 02:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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the point of tripping is to go through the psychedelic experience.
its a trip through time and space.
you and your mind, in a race.
if you lose, it's no disgrace.
psychedelics just left you faced.
^dats 4 u
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11246357 - 10/14/09 02:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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For an example of what I mean,
Fast forward to about 2:50
When I saw this, I thought to myself "I know what she means, but does she really believe the things that she saw? Has this substance destroyed any sense of rationality she once possessed?"
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11246464 - 10/14/09 02:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are always points to my trips, I just dont always discover them...
My first one was very personal, and mushrooms pointed out to me that i was unhappy with the way my life was pointed and the relationships I was caught up in... and another taught me I dont need drugs to have spiritual experiences... and an acid trip told me that my girlfriend is the most important thing in my life right now, and that shes going to be around forever.
I see what your saying though, these are all things I know, so is there anything uniquely mysitcal about my experiences?
The answer is yes, in the same way that the lady in the video sees aliens... Things are shown to me that I dont even think about... I could go into a trip trying to find the answer of "X," and learn about "@."
The 2 are so different, but they are both things that are helpful to me in their own way. I think what I am saying is that "something" is guiding me to what i NEED to know at that point in my life, not necessarily what i THINK i need to know at that point in life.
Make any sense?
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Absolutely. I can definitely relate to the "learning of things thought unlearnable" concept.
I am very intrigued by people's opinions about this and want to encourage everyone who reads this to voice theirs!
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11246523 - 10/14/09 02:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seeing the world from alternate perspectives. Feeling what can't be felt, hearing what can't be heard, seeing what can't be seen, truly being.
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11246587 - 10/14/09 02:53 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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To the original poster,
holy shit i agree
when i shroom, i do get that thought as well...the "man, this feels like its opening up other realms, i feel like my thoughts are in crazy town...but im on shrooms, so that is part of the feeling..."
i feel like the mind expansion is just a side effect of the shrooms, and once im done the trip, those neurons stop firing and im sober again...
essentially, playing the devils advocate here, what i am getting at is that the shrooms make you FEEL like your having an epiphany, but in reality its just the actives in the drug making you think like this... and since this happens to be how most trippers feel (that tehy are going into another realm) it puts me in the headspace that its just one big case of the confirmation bias...
All you have to do is ask a sober person and they will say: "you feel like that cuz of the drugs, its not real and it goes away when your sober"...
now it is easy to say they do not understand and are just negatively stereotyping, but on the flipside, regular trippers feel like its a revelation and that it IS real...
the problem is that neither viewpoint leaves any room for the other...which is why this fucks with my head (especially when tripping) and makes me feel like nothing more than a burnt out hippie loser
anyone know what i mean? id be interested to hear some hardcore tripper answers to this post...as this is a headspace i get into whenever i start trippin reallllllllly hard (ive been trippin regularly for a year and a half or so now)
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: CamKron]
#11246608 - 10/14/09 02:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: CamKron]
#11246639 - 10/14/09 03:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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CamKron said:
To the original poster,
holy shit i agree
when i shroom, i do get that thought as well...the "man, this feels like its opening up other realms, i feel like my thoughts are in crazy town...but im on shrooms, so that is part of the feeling..."
i feel like the mind expansion is just a side effect of the shrooms, and once im done the trip, those neurons stop firing and im sober again...
essentially, playing the devils advocate here, what i am getting at is that the shrooms make you FEEL like your having an epiphany, but in reality its just the actives in the drug making you think like this... and since this happens to be how most trippers feel (that tehy are going into another realm) it puts me in the headspace that its just one big case of the confirmation bias...
All you have to do is ask a sober person and they will say: "you feel like that cuz of the drugs, its not real and it goes away when your sober"...
now it is easy to say they do not understand and are just negatively stereotyping, but on the flipside, regular trippers feel like its a revelation and that it IS real...
the problem is that neither viewpoint leaves any room for the other...which is why this fucks with my head (especially when tripping) and makes me feel like nothing more than a burnt out hippie loser
anyone know what i mean? id be interested to hear some hardcore tripper answers to this post...as this is a headspace i get into whenever i start trippin reallllllllly hard (ive been trippin regularly for a year and a half or so now)
That completely outlined my feelings about it too! I have yet to reach the middle ground of tripping and rationality. Understanding the chemistry and having revelations are two things that I want to do, but I cannot seem to mix. Its driving me insane and the only validation I get is from people who share my beliefs!
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11246673 - 10/14/09 03:04 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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To each his own
repressed memories and fears resurface during and coming down from a trip
things i thought to myself, so long ago, that i hadn't thought of in years, came back to me
these are special inhabitants to our earth - how dare you say its just the chemicals in it.
Chemicals didn't synthesize or make the mushroom, they are as organic as it comes
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11246690 - 10/14/09 03:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sometimes I ask myself, "Aren't you taking this shroom thing a little bit too seriously?"
It makes me wonder about the true "power" of psychedelics and if it really is all in my head.
Mindfuck, eh?
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11246761 - 10/14/09 03:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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that is kind of the problem i have when i used to trip, as much as i wanted to have life changing experiences and experience wonderfull and mystical things, i never got any of that.,
For me, things get very colourfull and briht and i see patterns on some things, closed eye visuals very fractal and bright, but it never seems to effect my mind, i feel pretty much normal even when consuming 30 grams fresh and im pretty sensitive to mushrooms. 15 grams fresh without any tolerence will have me tripping quite hard, 30 is insane but its all just hollucinations to me. 1 of the reasons i just decided to quit as whats the point unless theres something to be gained from it.
Everybodys different, 1 of my mates had an unbelievable time on just 10g fresh of tea, wanting to cominicate with the world, was in complete awe of things he was looking at, i wish i knew what he was experiencing.
I dont believe in that thinking, its just the chemicals making it all happen, well obviously it makes you trip, but what you experience is unique to your own person, it brings out something already in you that you havnt seen before, changes your perception of reality.
Reality is a funny subject, i dont know what people really believ. But im sure most people think of reality as the normal world, in our sober state, and that we all experience the same reality. But its very different, reality is created by ourselfs, we make our own reality and reaility is just how we precieve everything, mushrooms and other psychadelics change our perception enabling us to see things in a different way.
Its really difficult to say 1 way or another if theres something else to it, or its just your brain being rewired to being fucked up. P[ersonaly i dont think it is and that it unlocks us to an experiencfe that just cant be explained, and could very well go deeper than just tripping balls.
Its upto you to make what you make of your trips, we still dont understand why these chemicals do what they do, we no bits and peices on what neurotransmitters they act on and what ones they dont, but still doesnt offer a clue why people experience what they do.
Now if you delve into DMT, it just goes so much deeper than you could ever imagine. something that intense, so intense that what yoiu are seeing is not restricted to walls, textured surfaces and colours changes but to actual 3d space right infront of you, and taking you to some other inexplainable place of complexe construction is hard to accept as just being solely responsible by the chemical consumed. Things happen that must have another explanation.
We'll never know, not in our life time, and i doubt we as humans will last long enough to understand life, i dont even know if we could ever understand, maybe once we evolve into some higher being
Shit, sorry for the rant.
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discuss it with people and find out there views, peoples beliefs are generaly going to be different but beliefs arnt always based on fact, but on something that cant be explained. it keeps us from going insane
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Wow! I reread that a few times just to make sure I understood what you meant.
As for the perception of reality, I've shat myself time and time again trying to explain that one.
My current belief regarding reality: We can only perceive what our senses tell us to perceive. The combination of all 5 senses together creates an image in our head of "reality". We see this "reality" through the filter of our senses, but never truly see it for what it is.
This being said, it obviously proposes questions about psychedelic drugs and what they can do to extend one's senses and perceptions of reality.
(Yep, shat myself again)
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11246859 - 10/14/09 03:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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This concerns points.
Not necessarily THE ULTIMATE POINT TO TRIPPING OMG.
But relevant enough to post it in this thread.
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11246872 - 10/14/09 03:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Whenever I trip, I like to think about it as an enlightening experience that allows my mind to see things in a way that I could not before. Part of me wants to accept that for what it is and enjoy myself, but there's always a voice in the back of my head that tells me I'm just zonking myself out and everything I see and hear on a trip is just a figment of my imagination. I feel like if I allow myself to believe that I'm having a (spiritual, mystical, etc.) experience, I am purposefully ignoring a part of my rational thinking which I otherwise would not.
The problem is that you think the two are mutually exclusive. Most of the extraordinary things you see and hear on a trip *are* just figments of you imagination. The reason why a trip can be a mystical/enlightening experience is that psychedelics force you to view the world from a radically different perspective. Looking at things from such a completely different angle often causes you to realize or understand something profound that you did not before. The fact that the walls were breathing and colors were melting does not make the experience any less meaningful.
Keep in mind, though, that psychedelics do not inherently contain any answers - the ideas you bring back with you from a trip can be just as wrong as any other.
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traviedigital said:
these are special inhabitants to our earth - how dare you say its just the chemicals in it.
Chemicals didn't synthesize or make the mushroom, they are as organic as it comes
I think what he was trying to say is the effects of mushrooms are merely the result of a chemical reaction occurring in the brain. Psilocin and Psilocybin ARE CHEMICALS that are able to bind to receptors in the brain- cause the effects of the drug. The mushrooms contain chemicals, organic or not.
Now, if you want to believe in mushroom spirits or fairies- go ahead. But there seems to be a hell of a lot more proof the effects of the drug are indeed caused by chemical reactions in the brain. If that gives you the illusion that your contacting spirits or whatever, that's cool have a ball dude. But to deny the role of the chemicals is absolutely fucking retarded.
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: Sellith]
#11246932 - 10/14/09 03:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very interesting, Gogyra.
I will certainly remember that next time I trip.
Something else that comes into play here is that I have never experienced a bad trip. Maybe such a trip would change my view in another way I didn't think possible.
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I think what he was trying to say is the effects of mushrooms are merely the result of a chemical reaction occurring in the brain. Psilocin and Psilocybin ARE CHEMICALS that are able to bind to receptors in the brain- cause the effects of the drug. The mushrooms contain chemicals, organic or not.
Now, if you want to believe in mushroom spirits or fairies- go ahead. But there seems to be a hell of a lot more proof the effects of the drug are indeed caused by chemical reactions in the brain. If that gives you the illusion that your contacting spirits or whatever, that's cool have a ball dude. But to deny the role of the chemicals is absolutely fucking retarded.
I wholeheartedly agree, couldn't have said it better myself.
This again tears me between my rational side and the side that appeals to Gogyra's statement.
I'm not sure how many of you are Atheists, but the rational and logical thinking that went into my decision regarding religion is the same that I want to apply to psychedelic trips, but I can't get it to add up.
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11247098 - 10/14/09 04:08 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you enjoy it then it has a point.
Scientist don't know how a trip really occurs.
A chemical goes to your brain, and then.. tadaaahhh
We will know soon enough though.
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: Thisfire]
#11247302 - 10/14/09 04:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you enjoy it then it has a point.
I guess I phrased my question wrong. I definitely enjoy it, it's just I wonder about the validity of what I take away from it.
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11247472 - 10/14/09 05:14 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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im an athiest
now before, i said i was playing devils advocate...i have had shrooms speak to me...feel like i am communing with MOTHER NATURE herself, as she was in the magic shrooms because they were her babies 
the experience often leaves me breathless and introspective, its just that thought pattern that i get into, which turns into a thought loop (espeically when im feeling nausea)
wow gogrya, AWSOME point
hopefully ill use that thought/view next time im trippin and i get the thoughts like:
"wtf...im just too messed up to function right now...Is anything im feeling real or am i just a drugged out dumbass!?"
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: CamKron]
#11247626 - 10/14/09 05:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks Cam, I appreciate it.
Good luck on your endeavors on future trips!
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11247658 - 10/14/09 05:48 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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traviedigital said:Chemicals didn't synthesize or make the mushroom, they are as organic as it comes
Please, learn some basic chemistry.
First of all, everything in the material world is made up of chemicals of some sort. Iron, plastic, computers, trees, and yes, even your precious "organic" mushrooms are made entirely of chemicals.
Second, the term "organic" merely means that the chemical is composed primarily of Carbon, Oxygen and Hydrogen. There are innumerable organic chemicals that do not occur naturally. There's nothing inherently good or safe about organic chemicals or compounds.
If you insist on using organic to mean "produced by nature," or "not artificially synthesized," the term still carries no implicit guarantee that the compound in question is somehow safe or superior to things that are not organic. Consider tetrodotoxin - a chemical just as "organic" as psilocybin, produced by the fugu, the blue ringed octopus and other species. It is a venom so potent that an injection of merely 500ug - about as much as a strong dose of LSD, is enough to kill a healthy human adult. Compare that to LSD, a purely synthetic chemical, which has never been shown to cause significant adverse effects to humans even in much higher doses.
Finally, yes, chemicals *did* make the mushroom. The mushroom's parent, which was composed of chemicals, used chemicals to create a spore (also made of chemicals). The spore, when it started to grow, used chemicals to build itself into a larger and larger organism, eventually growing caps (again, made of chemicals) when it was sexually mature. And inside of those caps, it used chemicals to synthesize the chemicals responsible for making you trip: psilocyn and psilocybin.
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cubies77 said:This again tears me between my rational side and the side that appeals to Gogyra's statement.
I'm not sure how many of you are Atheists, but the rational and logical thinking that went into my decision regarding religion is the same that I want to apply to psychedelic trips, but I can't get it to add up.
I am also a rationalist (and by proxy, and Atheist). I don't understand why you think my previous statement is at odds with rationality - would you care to elaborate, please?
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I apologize if that is how my post came across.
Your statement is entirely rational. I just don't like the fact that I have to have said experiences through the vehicle of a chemical. Part of me wants to accept the experiences as spiritual/mystical, and another part wants to dismiss it as a reaction to a chemical.
Did that help clear things up?
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11248120 - 10/14/09 06:54 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I trip for fun. It's a big headfuck, and I personally do not think there's any real information in there at all. It allows you to look at things as if for the first time, and to question things you wouldn't normally question.
Usually, these questions are not useful - sometimes it's nice to appreciate the little things again. Like I said, it's fun, and that's why.
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11248175 - 10/14/09 07:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Your statement is entirely rational. I just don't like the fact that I have to have said experiences through the vehicle of a chemical. Part of me wants to accept the experiences as spiritual/mystical, and another part wants to dismiss it as a reaction to a chemical.
shit i feel that
i want to forget about WHY im trippin and just fuckin enjoy the ride...but i overthink a great many things, tryin to make logical sense of them...idunno, if it isnt logical then it doesnt make sense, and tripping is just one of those things that doesnt make sesnse no matter whaat...there are so many emotions, thoughts, and crazy feelings going on inside that arnt there normally...
lol i feel like i say this all the time, i just need to chill out and go with the flow
time to rip a bowl hahahha
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: CamKron]
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Precisely!
I hear stories about people tripping so hard that they feel "one with the universe" or forget they're alive and stuff and claim that it lets them connect with nature or god or some shit like that. I think thats cool and all, but since it doesn't make sense to my logical mind, I attempt to explain it. And that explanation comes only in the form of boiling the shrooms down to a chemical reaction in our body that makes us believe that we're experiencing all this crazy shit, but really it's all just madness.
Maybe I just need to trip harder next time?
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11248509 - 10/14/09 07:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe I just need to trip harder next time?
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: Salomon]
#11248555 - 10/14/09 07:53 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you can experience it, and it has effects and consequences for your being... Tell me exactly why it's not real enough for you.
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CamKron
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: Sellith]
#11249109 - 10/14/09 09:14 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think i came around to this mindset after i did salvia...cuz i had one experience where i simply dissintigrated and became one with...everything
that is the short version lol
plz dont flame me, but i didnt like salvia, scared the shit out of me tbh, i felt like it would go on forever...
i still enjoy my trips though, i always have tunes or a good trippin movie going on so im relaxed and feel more flowing
helps me keep calm and just have an internal fireworks show lol
but that is my reason for the thought pattern i developed...before that i didnt really think much of it
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Fortius_Penguin
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I completely understand what you're saying.
I get the same thoughts sometimes. Cause and effect sort of deal.
But then again, the mind is a very powerful thing. Psychedelics have always sort of given me a feeling of outwardness. I don't see them as a necessity, but they are a very enlightening thing, when used properly.
Like, as has been said before me, it's about "learning the unlearnable". Understanding things on a completely new level, unbeknownst to you prior to the trip.
Some people take life lessons away from it, some people just like to "trip balls".
To each his own, i suppose.
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: Salomon]
#11249368 - 10/14/09 10:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Salomon said:
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cubies77 said:
Maybe I just need to trip harder next time?
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Even if it is just chemicals in your brain.
LOOK AT WHAT YOUR BRAIN DOES WITH THOSE CHEMS!!!!!!
You said , "you see things like for the first time" <- AMAZING ABILITY! Magic.....
I am a FAIRLY rational person.
And, I have spiritual experiences while on shrooms.
I think.....
IF you are having to grasp so hard to keep "atheism" as the only equation..... maybe you should losen your grip a bit and see whats in your head. 
Great thread cubies77 
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11249581 - 10/14/09 10:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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cubies77 said:
Sometimes I ask myself, "Aren't you taking this shroom thing a little bit too seriously?"
It makes me wonder about the true "power" of psychedelics and if it really is all in my head.
Mindfuck, eh?
sure is, i think that sometimes too. either way i love those ltlle bastards non the less 
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: Shad0w]
#11249667 - 10/14/09 10:41 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Shad0w said:
You said , "you see things like for the first time" <- AMAZING ABILITY! Magic.....
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I said this, and yes - it's one of the neatest things about psychedelics! That ability to truly love everything you do. Such a different view from normal you fully examine EVERYTHING.
I find that all psychedelics really do, when it gets down to it, is put things in perspective. Whether you end up viewing yourself as the tiniest of dots, or the universe as infinitely expansive, those are the same objectively. However experiencing the one thing from a certain/different mindset it makes it SEEM very different.
When you're sober you look at everything in a different perspective, one that is useful when you're sober. The psychedelic mindset is not one that is practical in day to day life in this society.
Hence why it's fun to think about, but not very practical. I trip from time to time, but every time there comes a point in the trip where I ask "Why?"; and that is why I believe there's nothing really there.
Anyone care to take up some of my points? This is a really interesting discussion! And I am very  , and this is easily the longest post I've ever made.
Edited by pwnasaurus (10/14/09 10:42 PM)
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11249806 - 10/14/09 11:03 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Precisely!
I hear stories about people tripping so hard that they feel "one with the universe"
There's really nothing mystical about feeling "one with the universe," because you *are* one with the universe. Think about this: none of the cells that are currently in your body were there a year ago. Every single cell from last year's "you" has been replaced by new ones that grew in their place; the old ones died, and were discarded. A hundred years ago, the molecules that currently are incorporated into your body were scattered across the globe, not associated with each other in any way. You are a collection of atoms from the remnants of a dead star, brought together in its current configuration for a cosmic instant. In a million years, there will be no evidence that you ever existed.
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: gogyra]
#11250380 - 10/15/09 12:51 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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gogyra said:
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cubies77 said:
Precisely!
I hear stories about people tripping so hard that they feel "one with the universe"
There's really nothing mystical about feeling "one with the universe," because you *are* one with the universe. Think about this: none of the cells that are currently in your body were there a year ago. Every single cell from last year's "you" has been replaced by new ones that grew in their place; the old ones died, and were discarded. A hundred years ago, the molecules that currently are incorporated into your body were scattered across the globe, not associated with each other in any way. You are a collection of atoms from the remnants of a dead star, brought together in its current configuration for a cosmic instant. In a million years, there will be no evidence that you ever existed.
I'm surprised more people haven't commented on this! It's really interesting. It's essentially discussion THE question of life.
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whatdidusay
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it sbeautiful, like liquid, slides all over everything, come soff in waves, wave after wave after, i never told anybody, but this shit knew about it, it know my fears, know smy secrets, gets inside your head, and chokes.
this shit is beyond th eboundaries of our universe, of known scientific reality.
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align the lens' of perception and see everything at once as one and none
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whatdidusay
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cosnik]
#11252856 - 10/15/09 12:32 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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listen to that voice man, it travels through the skies above, deep in this dark undulating universe, a realm of complete pure liquid evil. thaaaat voiceeeeee..........undulating with power...darkness.....i dunno. its penatrating to the core....the deepest of locked doors in your mind. dont open the door, or you'll slip below the floor....to hell. to your death. to your underworld gods arms yo. there your soul will live, you will ro tin the underworld, mind stuck in another realm. in pure liquid evil.
i dunno. sorry. It felt spiritual so i figured i should post it as best i could.
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I think the moment you try and pinpoint a "point" to your trips is where things become confusing. Is there really a "point" to anything? Needing a point to enjoy something is just another egotistic desire that needs to be thrown into the wind. It's almost impossible to describe - but I'm sure many of you know what I'm talking about. Tripping for "enlightenment" seems kind of cock-eyed, I think the only real "point" of a trip is to simply "BE". Upon reading many of your posts, it seems like trips have really only magnified your desires, and your attachment to your ego, which may be difficult thing to accept, but once you realize there really is no "YOU" - I think that is where "enlightenment" truly resides. I am nowhere near, and I don't think anybody ever will, but I believe in my heart that's the true gist of it all - finding doors in the walls of perception, and crawling through them and sneaking a glance at infinite - which thankfully is much larger then you or I or the planet Earth or the Universe itself.
Edited by pfxtc (10/15/09 12:39 PM)
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: pfxtc]
#11253215 - 10/15/09 01:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is there really a "point" to anything?
I've asked myself that many times, and the answer I always get is no.
It's not so much that I need it to have a point to enjoy it, It's more that I'm trying to discover what exactly do I take from it? and what is its significance?
I think those questions have been sufficiently answered by some of you but all of the answers have been rather subjective. My thirst for objectivity will not be quenched in this lifetime, however I still love to hear what people have to say about it.
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Re: Point to Tripping? [Re: cubies77]
#11253322 - 10/15/09 01:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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cubies77 said:
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Is there really a "point" to anything?
I've asked myself that many times, and the answer I always get is no.
It's not so much that I need it to have a point to enjoy it, It's more that I'm trying to discover what exactly do I take from it? and what is its significance?
I think those questions have been sufficiently answered by some of you but all of the answers have been rather subjective. My thirst for objectivity will not be quenched in this lifetime, however I still love to hear what people have to say about it.
Well I think you have to ask yourself
"Does it matter?"
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Lately I've been contemplating the "void" and all that other stuff. Everything I hold dear seems so minuscule and unimportant in the grand scheme of things. For a long time I was looking for things that mattered, caught in an endless internal battle of duality between good/evil, love/fear, pleasure/displeasure (in many ways I still am). I genuinely try to forge a path of creativity, love, and independence, but the confusion will never cease.
I came to the conclusion (which may or may not make any logical sense) that if anything mattered in particular, the reaction would be a large amount of things that are simply irrelevant to life (anything outside the criteria of "matters").
I started to play around with the idea that nothing matters, but because of that everything holds infinite significance (maybe it's all just an experience not to be judged). In my opinion, nothing is real, and because of that everything is real. More real than I will ever be able to possibly comprehend.
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Mind Transcribing said:
Lately I've been contemplating the "void" and all that other stuff. Everything I hold dear seems so minuscule and unimportant in the grand scheme of things. For a long time I was looking for things that mattered, caught in an endless internal battle of duality between good/evil, love/fear, pleasure/displeasure (in many ways I still am). I genuinely try to forge a path of creativity, love, and independence, but the confusion will never cease.
I came to the conclusion (which may or may not make any logical sense) that if anything mattered in particular, the reaction would be a large amount of things that are simply irrelevant to life (anything outside the criteria of "matters").
I started to play around with the idea that nothing matters, but because of that everything holds infinite significance (maybe it's all just an experience not to be judged). In my opinion, nothing is real, and because of that everything is real. More real than I will ever be able to possibly comprehend.
A fat +1.
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