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OfflineShroomerRoss
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Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana?
    #11244470 - 10/14/09 09:41 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Wednesday 14 Oct 2009


Our friends at NORML have run into a weird misunderstanding with the folks at PayPal. Apparently, the company has a vague drug policy and they've chosen to interpret it rather broadly:

Paypal, the well-known internet payment company has told California NORML that it will no longer accept payments to our “type of business” because we accept listing payments from cannabis-recommending physicians.

After years of offering free listings to physicians and collectives at our website http://www.canorml.org, CaNORML began charging a yearly listing fee to cover our costs last year.

PayPal froze CaNORML’s account in June, saying that by accepting listing fees from collectives, we were violating their Acceptable Use policy, which says, “you may not use PayPal in the purchase or sale of narcotics.”

It's absurd on so many levels:

1. It's medical marijuana, not "narcotics." It's perfectly legal under state law and even the federal dept. of justice has agreed to respect state policies.

2. California NORML isn’t buying or selling medical marijuana. They're accepting donations and listing their sponsors. In no way does this violate the terms of PayPal's acceptable use policy.

3. Even after California NORML removed listings for collectives, PayPal maintained that there was a problem with listing physicians on its site. Physicians? They don't even provide medical marijuana, so now you start to get the idea that PayPal is just being nasty. Do they want NORML to stop mentioning marijuana altogether?

But here's the really unbelievably stupid thing about all this:

4. You can buy alcohol on PayPal. You can straight-up order booze through PayPal and have it delivered to your door, but they have a problem with NORML merely taking donations from folks in the medical marijuana industry?

There is no excuse for this. PayPal is under no legal obligation whatsoever to behave this way and their hypocrisy must not be allowed to go unnoticed. This isn’t even a question of medical access. No marijuana was even being sold through their service. This is about the freedom of PayPal clients to associate with their patrons without being subjected to false and erroneous restrictions that reek of political prejudice.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle_blog/2009/oct/13/why_does_paypal_have_a_problem_w


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: ShroomerRoss]
    #11244475 - 10/14/09 09:42 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

paypal has already turned to shit. They now support the seller not the buyer and lots of people get fucked over.


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: gnarfbuckle]
    #11244752 - 10/14/09 11:12 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Good to know, I just placed a big order through paypal and the seller told me that the name of the stuff on the order form is not what's coming to me, as in he can't write that he's shipping cactus to me because PayPal would freeze his account and kick him off. I was perplexed, but now I understand.


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: gnarfbuckle]
    #11245109 - 10/14/09 12:34 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

What is a safe, legal, and convenient alternative to Paypal?


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: durian_2008]
    #11245314 - 10/14/09 01:18 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Paypal doesn't have very many competitors, except two: IKobo and Bidpay.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/118785/consumer_watch_the_problem_with_paypal.html

Paypal sucks. I personally know.


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: astrogenic]
    #11245356 - 10/14/09 01:26 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Google checkout any good?


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: Dr.Myco87]
    #11245429 - 10/14/09 01:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Good to know, I just placed a big order through paypal and the seller told me that the name of the stuff on the order form is not what's coming to me, as in he can't write that he's shipping cactus to me because PayPal would freeze his account and kick him off. I was perplexed, but now I understand.





ive never actually had any problems with paypal. bought a ounce of salvia leaf off ebay last year and used paypal. all went well


Edited by ShroomerRoss (10/14/09 01:41 PM)


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: ShroomerRoss]
    #11245454 - 10/14/09 01:44 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

PayPal just wants to stay out of trouble, fly under the radar. They don't want the DEA all up in their business, which I full understand.


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: ShroomerRoss]
    #11245569 - 10/14/09 02:02 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

People have had problems with Salvia orders.


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: astrogenic]
    #11245746 - 10/14/09 02:38 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Paypal is right, NORML dosent have any right to talk about marijuana


















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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: astrogenic]
    #11245761 - 10/14/09 02:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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astrogenic said:
People have had problems with Salvia orders.





Actually just last week paypal closed lots of accounts that were accused of selling JWH-018 and automatically refunded all payments from the 10 day period prior to that, BS if you ask me


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: gnarfbuckle]
    #11245824 - 10/14/09 02:49 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

gnarfbuckle said:
paypal has already turned to shit. They now support the seller not the buyer and lots of people get fucked over.





Ha. They allowed some LAWYER that bought an Ipod off of me to get away with the ipod AND the money after a refund without my consent.
As of now I have bitched them to refund half the price back to me. But I'm still not going to pay the other half either. Fuck paypal.


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: Doc_T]
    #11246894 - 10/14/09 05:41 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

PayPal just wants to stay out of trouble, fly under the radar. They don't want the DEA all up in their business, which I full understand.





No, its worse than that.  They are seriously evil.


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11247671 - 10/14/09 07:51 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Good read. :thumbup:


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: ShroomDoom944]
    #11247910 - 10/14/09 08:23 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

ShroomDoom944 said:
Quote:

gnarfbuckle said:
paypal has already turned to shit. They now support the seller not the buyer and lots of people get fucked over.





Ha. They allowed some LAWYER that bought an Ipod off of me to get away with the ipod AND the money after a refund without my consent.
As of now I have bitched them to refund half the price back to me. But I'm still not going to pay the other half either. Fuck paypal.







what makes you think he is a lawyer? did he tell you that after or b4 you threatened to sue him?


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11248580 - 10/14/09 09:55 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

PayPal just wants to stay out of trouble, fly under the radar. They don't want the DEA all up in their business, which I full understand.




Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
No, its worse than that.  They are seriously evil.




I heard that Paypal always favors the buyer in a "dispute," which causes sellers to get ripped off, all the time.

Paypal is supposed to be so popular with buyers, because it's totally risk free to them.

I liked the idea of E-metals, but found out that it could be very complicated.


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: durian_2008]
    #11249258 - 10/14/09 11:43 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

personally, I believe paypal has gone to shit. About 5 years ago they were willing to give your money back with little problems now you have to make a great case and beg on your knees just to get a automated email saying sorry you got skewed...


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: CollegeGuy]
    #11251743 - 10/15/09 10:57 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

HAHA i used paypal to buy rc's once!


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: ThaiTea]
    #11251747 - 10/15/09 10:58 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Probably not a wise idea :lol:


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Re: Why Does PayPal Have a Problem With Medical Marijuana? [Re: CollegeGuy]
    #11251864 - 10/15/09 11:36 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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About 5 years ago they were willing to give your money back with little problems now you have to make a great case



Sorry to say but they were pulling this shit back then to.  Got ripped off a hundred dollars some 6-7 years back and Paypal wouldn't do shit. FUCK PAYPAL


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