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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
while I dont agree with drug testing for drivers licenses, I certainly do
support it for collecting government benefits, go hang out at the welfare
office for an afternoon and when you see the bitch in her huge new SUV
with the 22" spinners you may reconsider, I also believe these people
should be kept under light surveillance for a few months and spot checks
throughout the year. I've seen plenty of abuse with the system and it's
not simply because people can exploit it, it's because there's little in
place to prevent exploitation and nothing done to stop it when it's occurring

remember, it's your tax dollars paying for some woman to help support
her live in jobless boyfriends crack/meth habit, you should be concerned
with whom the money is actually benefiting



ronald reagan was a lying sack of shit.. and i cant believe ppl are still listening to all his bullshit 5+ years since hes' been pushing up the daisys'.. and 20+ years since he was POTUS...there never was..and still isnt..such a thing as a pink-cadillac-driving-welfare-queen.. it was just an excuse to fund reagans' tax cuts for the wealthy with former welfare funding...


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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Annapurna1]
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Annapurna1 said:
Prisoner#1 said:
while I dont agree with drug testing for drivers licenses, I certainly do
support it for collecting government benefits, go hang out at the welfare
office for an afternoon and when you see the bitch in her huge new SUV
with the 22" spinners you may reconsider, I also believe these people
should be kept under light surveillance for a few months and spot checks
throughout the year. I've seen plenty of abuse with the system and it's
not simply because people can exploit it, it's because there's little in
place to prevent exploitation and nothing done to stop it when it's occurring

remember, it's your tax dollars paying for some woman to help support
her live in jobless boyfriends crack/meth habit, you should be concerned
with whom the money is actually benefiting



ronald reagan was a lying sack of shit.. and i cant believe ppl are still listening to all his bullshit 5+ years since hes' been pushing up the daisys'.. and 20+ years since he was POTUS...there never was..and still isnt..such a thing as a pink-cadillac-driving-welfare-queen.. it was just an excuse to fund reagans' tax cuts for the wealthy with former welfare funding...



bullshit.  there are houses right on my street that are clearly welfare recipients.  you know what else they do?  sell illicit substances.  they drive around in HUGE vehicles, and technically have no income and thus qualify for "aid."


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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Annapurna1]
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You can't seriously be claiming that welfare fraud is non-existent.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Annapurna1]
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I don't think you would recognize the truth, through the fog of your prejudice!  People that actually need help can't get it, because of the massive fraud. :peace:

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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Annapurna1]
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Annapurna1 said:
ronald reagan was a lying sack of shit.. and i cant believe ppl are still listening to all his bullshit 5+ years since hes' been pushing up the daisys'.. and 20+ years since he was POTUS...there never was..and still isnt..such a thing as a pink-cadillac-driving-welfare-queen.. it was just an excuse to fund reagans' tax cuts for the wealthy with former welfare funding...



yeah, it's just a coincidence that the parking lot has a half dozen of
them parked there, I grew up in the low income housing, knew a bunch of
families on welfare driving caddy, lincoln and mercedes, I've seen it
recently when I went to show DFCS proof of insurance on my kids, I
walked in  one door and big momma whom I parked next to dragged her kids
into the other door for her welfare appointment

the was a mexican family near me that was living in a half million
dollar home busted for welfare fraud, 3 adults working business's under
the table and drawing welfare with kids in the catholic school

absolutely, fraud is non existant

not my neighbor hood but hey... since they dont exist


Quote:
http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/fraud/PG270.htm
May 2007 – Los Angeles County
Lana M. and her husband collected welfare benefits in 2003, claiming they earned less than $24,000.  But authorities say Lana M., the former office manager of a job-training center for immigrant welfare recipients, also owned a liquor store and recycling business.  Authorities say, she drove a $76,000 luxury car, shopped at Neiman Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue and had $147,980 stashed in her bedroom dresser.




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http://www.nbc11news.com/home/headlines/33443284.html
former Colorado State Trooper who plead guilty to welfare fraud recieved his sentence Tuesday morning.


Meanwhile, court documents say his ranch was pulling in $49,000 and he was collecting anywhere from $800 to more $2,000 in Veteran's benefits. They say he owned atleast four cars, a utility trailer and three ATVs.



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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I have to agree that to cut them off from welfare and force them into crime and prison cells sounds allot more expensive.

the state would not make any savings from such a proposal.

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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Jaegar]
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if they can afford new cars, fancy cloths, etc... while on welfare,
they're already committing more than one crime, cutting them off of
welfare wouldnt force them into anything, they can just continue what
they were doing and what ever happens, happens

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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Jaegar]
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you're right, it's better to continue giving them money that was confiscated from productive members of society :facepalm:


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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Yrat]
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while working under the table or dealing dope and committing welfare
fraud, any way you try and look at it, they're eligible for prison
and at least while they're in prison we take care of them and know
that they're only getting what they deserve

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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Yrat]
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Yrat said:
you're right, it's better to continue giving them money that was confiscated from productive members of society :facepalm:




Yes, because putting them in jail would be free, right? :smirk:

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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Redstorm]
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of course not, but it is absurd to rationalize their continued handouts by arguing, "well, it's either this, or paying for jail."

perhaps the discontinuation of the free money would inspire some to achieve legitimate sources of income and become productive members of society.  the threat of jail is certainly a motivating factor. 

for those who would choose to continue with their risk taking, well, that's entirely their choice.  and they can assume responsibility for their actions if caught.


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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
Yrat said:
you're right, it's better to continue giving them money that was confiscated from productive members of society :facepalm:




Yes, because putting them in jail would be free, right? :smirk:



Not free but definitely cheaper.  Five of them in jail is much cheaper than a hundred on welfare.


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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: zappaisgod]
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Where do "five" and "one hundred" come from?

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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Redstorm]
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I made them up to make a point.  Generous welfare causes excess welfare recipients.  Why work, even if you can, when you have a guaranteed income?  See UK.  Rather than turn to crime don't you think most will do their utmost to get a real job?  Why do you assume that just because people are lazy they will naturally turn to crime if they don't get handouts?  Maybe they'll make a decision not to have that baby they can't support.


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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: zappaisgod]
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> Why do you assume that just because people are lazy they will naturally turn to crime if they don't get handouts?

The original premise was welfare recipients use fraudulent means to increase their handout and welfare recipients sell illegal drugs to supplement their income, thus welfare recipients, being inclined to breaking the law, will most likely continue to break the law were welfare taken away.  (Not that I agree with this point, but that is where the assumption is coming from.)

A real kicker would be putting time limits on welfare (much like unemployment), reducing the payouts based upon having more dependents (discourage breeders), and legalizing all drugs (no more money for illegal drug sales).  Talk about ripping the rug out from under ACORN.  I guess they would still have election fraud and illegal alien child prostitution to work with...


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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Seuss]
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A crack head once gave me his Lone Star Card (texas welfare card) as collateral for the $40 I loaned him.

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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
welfare recipients, being inclined to breaking the law, will most likely continue to break the law were welfare taken away.



could you see any reason why they'd stop, other than being incarcerated, if their cash cow had dried up?


Quote:
A real kicker would be putting time limits on welfare (much like unemployment), reducing the payouts based upon having more dependents (discourage breeders),




aledgedly they have a 2 year limit and they've supposedly put limits on
what can be collected per family just to prevent the welfage breeding
but I'm quite certain they have also established some means for people
to get around these controls

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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: Prisoner#1]
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When I lived in a pretty bad area of Charleston, I had crack heads with EBT cards (welfare/food stamps) trying to pay for my stuff if I  gave them cash.

I remember one time in particular, when I was leaving the grocery store a man was standing there is his kid, that was eating a bag of chips, asking people for money and he would buy there stuff with the ebt card.  The kid looked so sad and neglected and the dad looked strung out as hell...

I say drug test them! Welfare isn't meant to be forever it's only supposed to help in hard times and if you can't pass one or two drug tests your fucking restarted and don't diverse any FREE MONEY.

If you don't have money to live and have to get welfare you don't have money for drugs period there are priorities and drugs are a privileged to people smart enough to get away with it.

Rant over...


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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: CollegeGuy]
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If cannabis were taken off the drug test list would this thread exist?

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Re: Drug testing welfare recipients [Re: DreamRoom]
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it might be worth pointing out that according to the reaganite religion practiced by most americans.. you are either a member of the ruling class..or one of their slaves...if you dont fall into either of those categories..then your necessarily guilty of some kind of welfare fraud..usually in conjunction with some other crime...


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Edited by Annapurna1 (10/17/09 09:52 PM)

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