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Ultimately meaningless - so what!!! - It is that easy!?
    #11228073 - 10/11/09 07:29 PM (8 years, 11 days ago)

I have never yet been able to understand the hard ground many atheist/scientific types seem to stand on even in the face of what they profess - or at least some of the implications of their type of outlook. Are they really religiously humanistic to the point of feeling justified through their work which they may perceive is all for humanities propagation/progress? Are they on their crosses when they do their most lofty mechanical work? Should we respect that? I guess its ideal to truth is a better expression of a great uncertainty. I am impressed by their mental fortitude when all is meaningless. Or maybe they don’t really practice what they seem to preach. Or maybe they really are that brilliant!



Perhaps the latter - though that brilliance is case by case I suppose...


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Re: Ultimately meaningless - so what!!! - It is that easy!? [Re: andrewss]
    #11228195 - 10/11/09 07:50 PM (8 years, 11 days ago)

Being a cog in the machine is very fulfilling.


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Re: Ultimately meaningless - so what!!! - It is that easy!? [Re: andrewss]
    #11228212 - 10/11/09 07:53 PM (8 years, 11 days ago)

Meaning is subjective.  Of course, that implies that a meaningless existence is totally within the judgment of the perceiver, not the universe. 


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And as things fell apart,
Nobody paid much attention...

- David Byrne, '(Nothing But) Flowers' from the Talking Heads' album, 'Naked'


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Re: Ultimately meaningless - so what!!! - It is that easy!? [Re: Trepiodos]
    #11228330 - 10/11/09 08:10 PM (8 years, 11 days ago)

Ya

The brilliance is not to delude into stagnant depressive nihilism even though there is no purpose giving father figure out there giving you some absolute coherency to your individual existence - and a origin and divine goal.

Though the brilliance is often via a glossing over some angsty things snd/or being that cheerful. But is that cheerfulness merely as a result of emboldednes out of humanities perfecting of what we call good? Is it any wonder that many old men get depressed and angry. It is rare to find people with the same cheerfulness when they are getting ready to die. Does religion help? (its effects can perhaps come in other guises...) Hmmmmmmmmmm


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Re: Ultimately meaningless - so what!!! - It is that easy!? [Re: andrewss]
    #11228402 - 10/11/09 08:19 PM (8 years, 11 days ago)

Why would a self actualized being need a purpose giving father figure? 

Lack of coherence comes from the natural state of ignorance that we are all born into.  Through our experiences, our intellect and a rigorous application of reason, we can realize greater coherence as our lives progress. 

One does not need complete knowledge, nor complete understanding of how everything works to gain happiness.  Nor does one need dogma or myths to be happy.  Happiness is not contingent upon scientific knowledge or religious stories.


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Re: Ultimately meaningless - so what!!! - It is that easy!? [Re: Trepiodos]
    #11228479 - 10/11/09 08:30 PM (8 years, 11 days ago)

Quote:

Trepiodos said:
Why would a self actualized being need a purpose giving father figure? 

Lack of coherence comes from the natural state of ignorance that we are all born into.  Through our experiences, our intellect and a rigorous application of reason, we can realize greater coherence as our lives progress. 

One does not need complete knowledge, nor complete understanding of how everything works to gain happiness.  Nor does one need dogma or myths to be happy.  Happiness is not contingent upon scientific knowledge or religious stories.




I wasnt trying to make this absolutely universal among humans. Happiness is hard to define but I know it doesnt necessarily need the said things...


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Re: Ultimately meaningless - so what!!! - It is that easy!? [Re: andrewss]
    #11228935 - 10/11/09 09:27 PM (8 years, 11 days ago)

There are a long long long long line of atheists that find infinitely more meaning in life by advancing knowledge and understanding of the world then wasting 1-2 hours of every sunday feeling guilty and repenting.

You should really listen/read to more atheists speak/write on the issue(not so much Dawkins though, he can be an asshole sometimes :tongue:). Dennett and Einstein have some really great views about the fullness of life in a more enlighten and understood world.


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"Nature is like a sculptor constantly improving upon her work, but to do so she chisels away at living flesh." H.K. Bloom

"Is God willing to prevent evil but not able? Then he is not omnipotent...
Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent...
Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him god." Epicurus c. 300 BCE

"When I brought up the fact that 'No drug is good or bad, they're all just A drug, what someone does with them determines the postive or negative outcome. Look at medicine, those are drugs' Reponse was that 'well medicine solves problems' well so does LSD." -Learningtofly


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Re: Ultimately meaningless - so what!!! - It is that easy!? [Re: mozhual]
    #11228954 - 10/11/09 09:30 PM (8 years, 11 days ago)

Yes yes and yes, that is more to the first sentence.


But yeah, I mean look at how I concluded...


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