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clemens
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it "please sticky this" [Re: cpw1971]
#11247834 - 10/14/09 06:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I always thought salvia was just to weird and nasty but this thread makes me want to try it again.
CPW have you tried smoking 5-meo-DMT?
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cpw1971
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it "please sticky this" [Re: clemens]
#11247874 - 10/14/09 06:19 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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clemens
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it "please sticky this" [Re: cpw1971]
#11247976 - 10/14/09 06:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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5-meo-DMT is nothing like Salvia IMO but it is a drug worth trying. Im debaiting loading up my last hit of 15mgs of the stuff and blowing my mind before bed.
I think I should hold off until I send money for more so I know it wont be my last hit of DMT.
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cpw1971
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it "please sticky this" [Re: clemens]
#11248010 - 10/14/09 06:37 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it "please sticky this" [Re: cpw1971]
#11248927 - 10/14/09 08:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Mexican Shamans have thousands of years of knowledge with quidding and they also sing Icaros to help guide them.
I remember Terence saying that salvia had been known for only about three hundred years by mexican people. It's been a while and I don't remember in which lecture exactly he mentions this, but I'd be curious to know which version is true, thousands or hundreds?
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cpw1971
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it "please sticky this" [Re: solstice]
#11249134 - 10/14/09 09:18 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Angel_Above
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it "please sticky this" [Re: FrenchMachine]
#11249728 - 10/14/09 10:49 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Beautiful post French.
ANd yeah, I often wondered that too. None of my friends had salvia experiences like mine but it's probably because it would make no sense to them.
A lot of times between the transition from "here" to "there" I feel as if I'm being judged, and if I pass, I'm allowed to blast through the curtain of reality to see the truth behind it.
It never was for the normal person. It's not called "Divine Sage" for any old reason. The "guides" as you call them are seeing whether or not you are worthy. Some slowly bring you to this place while others blast you off and expect you to follow along and pay attention.
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it "please sticky this" [Re: FrenchMachine]
#11249753 - 10/14/09 10:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is reported that Salvia is one of the only chemicals that has a reverse tolerance effect. Meaning the more you do it the less you need. I actually would agree with this on some level, al though I think it really related to what you guys are saying.
You become accustomed to this "world" and you learn to explore it further. My only regrets with salvia is forgetting a lot of the experiences. I think some are just to potent to bring back home.
But I think some of the messages aren't meant to be memorized and spread around. I think some of them are more of emotional or totally spiritual like beyond the language of the mind, and into the language of the soul which knows no words.
If you can get past the immaterial object becoming phase(turning into fence posts lol), and she welcomes you in, you learn. She doesn't want people coming through the gate who aren't willing to sacrifice their everything to learn from her imo.
Hallucinogens imo are all tools for man-kind, but salvia is a very interesting godly or alien intelligence... I hope us explorers together can uncover the mystery behind these overwhelming truths.
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redgreenvines
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it "please sticky this" [Re: smaerd]
#11250121 - 10/14/09 11:55 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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cpw1971, you are seriously mistaken by saying that you know I am not spiritual I am not ritual I am not involved in proselytism I am not offering mysticism or secret knowledge that I do not have; but I am, at essence, very spiritual in my relationships, entirely consistent in my thoughts worda and action, and intolerant of posers and fakers.
what is the need of followers if you are uncertain of your direction? and if you are certain of your direction, are you actually learning anything?
we are very much on the opposite side of the fence on most of these issues.
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it "please sticky this" [Re: redgreenvines]
#11250184 - 10/15/09 12:07 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Redgreen I love you man.
Honestly, without you I never would have considered salvia as a teacher.
It wasn't directly through you I learned this, but some posts you have written about salvia aboslutely astounded me so I had to see it for myself. So I went around, talked to many people about salvia and the effects and finally figured I was ready to try it.
It COMPLETELY opened my eyes to the psychedelic experience. Prior to this, I had tripped on 60+ separate occasions with not too many lessons to integrate into my life, but this one showed me that all my trips had lessons for me to integrate, but I wasn't ready to accept those lessons because of my small knowledge of what's going on (to me).
Which is what everyone on this forum needs to learn; that you must find your own truth and you should NEVER follow the path of another, only use another's path to change yours.
The wisest thing any man can say is that he knows nothing, and this quote is so true.
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cpw1971
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it "please sticky this" [Re: redgreenvines]
#11251284 - 10/15/09 06:18 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it [Re: cpw1971]
#11251379 - 10/15/09 06:50 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know what you mean by everything folding over, everytime I smoke Salvia I melt with everything, and I feel like everything is stacking over the top of me, suffocated and confused.
but the problem is some people cannot just let go and let their ego die.. because they forget all this in the confusion that Salvia brings about, it would be very hard to train the mind to just remember to tell yourself to chill while peaking on Salvia when you do not even remember your name, if you know what I mean.
i think the only counter with a such strong hallucinogenic is to meditate and get the most out of your dose you can, instead of teedering in between where your ego still has a fight left in it and your scared and confused, try to blast your ego to bits by dosing as high as you can, and the meditation to relax you and make this process easier on the mind...
but this is coming from someone who has only done salvia 4-5 times and has not yet done DMT.
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cpw1971
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it [Re: Hieroglyph]
#11251453 - 10/15/09 07:15 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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KOPELANDIAA
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it "please sticky this" [Re: cpw1971]
#11254309 - 10/15/09 04:00 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also I have never achieved the ego loss with mushrooms like people talk about but that won't make me doubt them either let alone tell them they are just druggies and it's all in the mind. If they had a method and any info that would help me understand it then I may just give it a shot and see what happens.
]Copelandia cyanescens. Between 1and 2 grams.
Great post ! I love reading respectful reports and experiences about this wonder of Nature. In my personnal pantheon of natural entheogenic plants i put Salvia divinorum in the same class as Datura and Brugmansia...not for the personnality or toxicity (totally different on that) but the power and ability to take you to another dimension and broke effortlessly the different realities. The power of this plant is incredible and i think that the study of salvinorin will brings many interesting discoveries about the humain brain and consciousness.
It is definately not a toy...but i admit that i enjoyed some low doses of it. Plain leaves in a joint works for me to reach the first stages, quidding the leaves, even dried, is lovely and more manageable.
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it [Re: cpw1971]
#11254316 - 10/15/09 04:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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nice topic man gonna try your method tonight
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it [Re: keeponrockin]
#11254336 - 10/15/09 04:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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cpw1971, i don't really understand the backflip thing could you explain it a little bit more ? Your method looks interesting, in fact it is the same way i used to take Salvia (lying in darkness, total relaxation etc).
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smaerd
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it [Re: KOPELANDIAA]
#11254412 - 10/15/09 04:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think what he means by mental backflips is trying your hardest to reroute your thoughts by breaking the thoughts(in a sudden way) that are pulling you away from your goal.
So let's say you got covered in sticky goo. Then you do a back-flip and the goo is broken but your still facing forward.
I could be wrong on my interpretation of what he means by this, but that's what I do when I get that "OH SHIT BAD TRIP" feeling on other substances.
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cpw1971
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it [Re: smaerd]
#11254597 - 10/15/09 04:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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redgreenvines
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Re: For all those scared by Salvia or want to understand it [Re: cpw1971]
#11255132 - 10/15/09 06:08 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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you are attempting to teach what you are not a master of. where is the spirituality of that persitent imposter. faker not genuine. i call it as I see it.
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