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Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions!
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Hey guys. I just ordered Salvia. There are so many drugs I've been wanting to try. I'll finally be trying LSA and Salvia, with a possibility of shrooms. Anyway, offline I just ordered 20x Salvia extracts.

I am not scared, per say, but rather nervous about it. Now that I am actually going to try what is not doubt an extremely potent psychedelic, anyone who has already tried it have any suggestions on how to make the trip better?

I am definitly going to have one other good friend sit with me through it who knows how to handle this stuff.

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: emeraldlife88]
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1. Do not hold it in for 30 seconds like all the videos say. Hold it for 10-15 seconds, take another hit for the same amount of time. It's doubtful you'll hit a third hit with 20x.

2. If you don't have a sitter, then be very prepared. I burned a bathroom rug because I though my pipe had become something else entirely and somehow made it all the way from my bedroom to the bath so I could put the pipe back into the imaginary wooden machine so it wouldn't break. Yeah, hot burning cherry on bathroom rug = bad.

3. Do not try to maintain control. Salvia doesn't destroy your ego quite the same as DMT. Lay back and forget you're alive.

4. There is no reason to fear death. Instead, view the idea of death like "Oh neat, wonder what this will be like." [EDIT 10.12.2009 - deleted misinformation. Thought I knew my shit, I did not. lol]

5. It's fast, very fast. It comes up fast, it knocks you on your ass fast, and you come back fast. Take the chance to close your eyes and see what happens.

6. Don't watch the YouTube videos for reference, and please don't fucking post a video of you doing it.

Other than that, get ready for the strangest, quickest, sweatiest, trip ever!


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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Leap]
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Oh yeah,

7. Your sitter needs to be quiet! Trust me on this. Especially when the sitter (read: my inexperienced wife) starts saying "[Name] are you okay?? Are you okay???"

My bad for not better informing her. But I started laughing myself into painful cramps at the idea of "[Name]" and the word "okay."

Hilarity ensued.


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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: emeraldlife88]
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I am also a fan of ordering Salvia online, 15-20x usually. Sittin on 11g's right now. I consider myself a salvia guru, and here are my suggestions:

- do have someone else around, but have them smoke some too! Salvia is best experienced as a group activity. It's lame to have someone watch you while you laugh hysterically
- put your ALL into it. Don't do this half-hearted or you won't feel it 100%: hold 2 hits in for 30 seconds each (takes 2 hits your 1st time) and keep your flame in there while you breath it in.
- you won't "travel to outer space" or anything crazy like that. I find most Saliva trips greatly exaggerated - you will just be laughing like a maniac and will have fun
- do it OUTSIDE, you will feel like walking around after about 30 secs, everyone does
- recommend doing it out of a bong, it IS more effective than a bowl. But bowls work just fine.

What other drugs have you done?

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Cyrone]
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thanks guys! this really helps  um i've only smoked weed and done LSA, and am planning on my next things being this and shrooms which are around now

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: emeraldlife88]
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One other thing, I understand the peak effects of the Salvia trip are reached almost instantly and last around 5-10 minutes depending on potency, but almost every site says that the trip in its entirety lasts about 30-45 minutes. After the peak effects have been reached, do you still feel a sort of high or trippiness from the salvia for a short time?

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: emeraldlife88]
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No, after 10 mins, you are practically sober. You might feel very, very slight after effects for up to 30 mins, an overall joy and sense of well-being.

Also, if you've only done weed, well, consider this just getting really, REALLY high for 5 mins. I mean an entire blunt packed into 2 hits. Also, keep in mind that after doing salvia 3-4 times total (say over a month), you will only need 1 giant hit to get absolutely ripped. (like me ^_^)

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Cyrone]
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Cyrone said:
I am also a fan of ordering Salvia online, 15-20x usually. Sittin on 11g's right now. I consider myself a salvia guru, and here are my suggestions:

- do have someone else around, but have them smoke some too! Salvia is best experienced as a group activity. It's lame to have someone watch you while you laugh hysterically
- put your ALL into it. Don't do this half-hearted or you won't feel it 100%: hold 2 hits in for 30 seconds each (takes 2 hits your 1st time) and keep your flame in there while you breath it in.
- you won't "travel to outer space" or anything crazy like that. I find most Saliva trips greatly exaggerated - you will just be laughing like a maniac and will have fun
- do it OUTSIDE, you will feel like walking around after about 30 secs, everyone does
- recommend doing it out of a bong, it IS more effective than a bowl. But bowls work just fine.

What other drugs have you done?


  hmmm Salvia guru and you just find yourself laughing???
  I have been doing it since 2001  and I often go to level 5 and into other dimensions.

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: cpw1971]
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...and you don't laugh while going there...?
I say guru only in the sense that I'm starting to figure out the mechanics of the trip. Of course I've been to "other dimensions," but people who've never tripped kind of take that the wrong way.

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Cyrone]
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Entering another dimension would appear to be the most logical explanation of the effects no doubt.
Either that or.. all you ever knew is replaced with new meanings, but you forget those meanings as you witness them.


Do salvia in low light or darkness.. Its better imo..


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Edited by FrenchMachine (02/18/10 05:20 PM)

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: cpw1971]
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well said Frenchmachine
  for me the level 5 I find myself in a total other reality where I meet other entities.
  I have a Salvia thread I started earlier today that I will be adding more info to when I get time.
  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11225616/gonew/1#UNREAD

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Leap]
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Leap said:
4. As with anything tryptamine based, !



Salvinorin-A/B is not a tryptamine, if that's what you mean

To the OP, be ready to sweat

seriously... sweat


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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Mchaggis]
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I found all of your suggestions good. And you're right, Frenchmachine, to each their own, and apparently this is the way Leap is effected by and enjoys his salvia experience, with laughter and joy instead of total confusion and terror! Many people have told me salvia is just a laughter experience! I'll have to see for myself.

Thanks for the good advice, from the both of you!

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: emeraldlife88]
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emeraldlife88 said:
Hey guys. I just ordered Salvia. There are so many drugs I've been wanting to try. I'll finally be trying LSA and Salvia, with a possibility of shrooms. Anyway, offline I just ordered 20x Salvia extracts.

I am not scared, per say, but rather nervous about it. Now that I am actually going to try what is not doubt an extremely potent psychedelic, anyone who has already tried it have any suggestions on how to make the trip better?

I am definitly going to have one other good friend sit with me through it who knows how to handle this stuff.


take it easy on your first bowl of salvia
i was determined to break thru so i ripped a massive bowl and was terrified...
i still dont like saliva...so yea, dont worry about breakin thru, it will happen eventually, you dont want to ruin salvia for yourself


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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Mchaggis]
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Mchaggis said:
Leap said:
4. As with anything tryptamine based, !



Salvinorin-A/B is not a tryptamine, if that's what you mean

To the OP, be ready to sweat

seriously... sweat


Well damn, -5 internets for me. :frown:  I could have sworn I read that it the active alks were based on tryptamines. Touche, I'm a dumbass. :wink:


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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Leap]
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actually pure Salvinorin is 10x as potent as DMT  ...  or was it 5meo-DMT I forget.

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Edited by FrenchMachine (02/18/10 05:21 PM)

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: FrenchMachine]
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FrenchMachine said:
emeraldlife88 said:
Many people have told me salvia is just a laughter experience!



Make sure to rip a huge bowl of that 20x and hold it in for as long as you possibly can. Then just sit back and let the good times roll :evil: :hehehe:


this is what i did...NOT FUN I DO NOT RECOMMEND IT
actually, it fucked up the next shroom trip i had, it is still affecting me tbh
salvia is a crazy mindfuck
i cant say enuf...err with caution
GL


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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: FrenchMachine]
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Here is a report of my first Salvia experience:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10170247

I would suggest for a first-timer to have someone sober watch you do it.  Make sure that they are cool and will keep a mellow vibe with you even if you start freaking.  My wife has never tripped but she is a seasoned trip sitter.  It's easy, she never even has to say a word.  While you are tripping, you will not be able to compute a bunch of questions, so make sure that the sitter isn't under the impression that you will be able to "answer questions from beyond" or anything.

I like to do Salvia in the evening with a little moonlight shining in the windows.  It's just a nice time of day to be born back into.  I may have some lamps or candles lit from time to time (only candles when a sober sitter is present).

Ambient music is great with Salvia.  It's usually what I put on, though I have had great results with oldies, classical, jazz, fusion, blues, hip hop, classic r&b, and all kinds of stuff.  At times, the music has seemed to disappear and become replaced by an invasive blob from behind the curtain that picked up my life as I once knew it, when I lived in a strange land where people had names, before placing that life into a cosmic vault that would surely be forgotten like an old box full of broken toys, but then the music comes back in the mellowest way.  That's why ambient is so fitting.


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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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Swyfty Swyf said:
Here is a report of my first Salvia experience:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10170247

I would suggest for a first-timer to have someone sober watch you do it.  Make sure that they are cool and will keep a mellow vibe with you even if you start freaking.  My wife has never tripped but she is a seasoned trip sitter.  It's easy, she never even has to say a word.  While you are tripping, you will not be able to compute a bunch of questions, so make sure that the sitter isn't under the impression that you will be able to "answer questions from beyond" or anything.

I like to do Salvia in the evening with a little moonlight shining in the windows.  It's just a nice time of day to be born back into.  I may have some lamps or candles lit from time to time (only candles when a sober sitter is present).

Ambient music is great with Salvia.  It's usually what I put on, though I have had great results with oldies, classical, jazz, fusion, blues, hip hop, classic r&b, and all kinds of stuff.  At times, the music has seemed to disappear and become replaced by an invasive blob from behind the curtain that picked up my life as I once knew it, when I lived in a strange land where people had names, before placing that life into a cosmic vault that would surely be forgotten like an old box full of broken toys, but then the music comes back in the mellowest way.  That's why ambient is so fitting.


Thanks for the music ideas! I really wanted to play some, but wasn't sure if I should. And I got the sitter thing figured out, as I'm sure I said.

And for frenchmachine, I get the picture...but I'd relax a little about it if I were you (: Some people just find it to be very odd and weird, but for some reason it makes them become hysterically laughing. Maybe they're just taking small hits, or whatever, but I wouldn't get too defensive about it.

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Swyfty Swyf]
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I never liked to do Salvia unless I was alone. Around other people I always felt paranoid or isolated. I didn't want anyone else seeing or hearing something stupid out of me while I was tripping. I don't enjoy the Q&A afterward, either, since no one can fully understand your personal experience. In fact, you might not understand it yourself. Not only that, but any external stimuli can detract from the quality of the experience. TV, music, etc, will only make reaching your goal more difficult.

The trip duration is so short I never worried about freaking out, but I always prepared myself mentally. By this I mean repeating things to myself over and over before dosing (eg: Don't stand up, You're smoking Salvia, etc).

Be especially careful of some of the dosage recommendations given by others. More often than not, they far exceed any dose necessary for a full on experience.

A dime sized pile of 10x a few mm high and inhaled all at once is more than enough. Just hold it until you feel dizzy.

WARNING! Salvia can and sometimes does cause short-lived but complete amnesia. Irresponsible use could be dangerous, if not life threatening. Although I like this drug, I would never recommend it to anyone. A majority of users will never exceed a single breakthrough dose due to the intensity of the trip. In other words, it's not fun. If it were, there would be more of a street market for it.

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: emeraldlife88]
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Listen to the folks who say have a sober sitter.  Salvia is no joke, and with 20X you had better be conservative with your dosage the first few times or you'll be very sorry.

Please do not listen to the "balls to the walls" folks when first experimenting with a new molecule.  That is just plain irresponsible, and if you have a truly terrifying experience, you'll fear to go back, believe me!

N.B.


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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Nature Boy]
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yeah my 8 years of experience mean nothing. 
  But let me point out something.....
  light light effects are cool..  gravitational pulls, laughter, wierd feelings with trippy visuals.
  medium effects are  ego loss, body splitting, the zipper, the wheel, picket fence, fear, confusion, loss of memory, becoming the couch, black void, reality flattening ect....
  higher level effects.....
  entities come help you and take you by the hand and guide you into another dimension,  the fear goes away, you are totally immersed into the other dimension, you can become someone else entirely,  theres no more zippers or any of that shit but instead another solid reality like this one.

    I dunno but to me the higher level is where it's at. If you are doing it just to trip then look elsewhere.  It can be a very spiritual experience and you have to be ready to accept it.  Most people that try Salvia won't get that far but only hit the second level I speak of and they give up on it.
    But like I said....  I don't know what the hell I am talking about.  Just send all your Salvia to me.

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: cpw1971]
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How come everyone else gets to be guided through other dimensions by beautiful beings, but I turn to a big blob of clay-like shit that resembles Mt Rushmore, in a panic over how I will explain my transformation to whoever discovers me?

Life is unfair!

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: FrenchMachine]
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Diablo Blanco said:
I never liked to do Salvia unless I was alone. Around other people I always felt paranoid or isolated. I didn't want anyone else seeing or hearing something stupid out of me while I was tripping. I don't enjoy the Q&A afterward, either, since no one can fully understand your personal experience.


Well, that's why you have them smoke salvia as well - so that you don't have to be worried about "acting stupid". Laughter promotes more laughter. But the second part is very true - Q&A sessions always seemed rushed to me - it takes a while to digest what you just experienced and translate it into "human" terms.

FrenchMachine said:
Cyrone said:
No offense, not trying to start drama here...but you call yourself a "salvia guru" and you are giving out bad advice like this?  Tsk Tsk

The Salvia experience is best when experienced alone. Not with a group of people. You may prefer other Humans around...but I wouldnt recommend it. Salvia is not a "group activity" at all. It is an individual experience. It will usually make a persons experience worse when they have a bunch of distractions going on around them, such as a group of idiots laughing at the person as they try to desperately struggle with the experience. As far as the laughing thing...if you are laughing when you use Salvia then you are not having the full experience. Seriously. When a person has a real breakthrough (Level 5/6) laughter is usually the last thing on their mind. It is usually terror or confusion. If you have a real Salvia breakthrough you wont know what the concept of "humor" or "laughing" even is. You wont even be aware you have a physical body anymore. I would seriously recommend doing it INDOORS, laying down in a dark room, unless you plan on doing very small doses or quidding plain leaf. Being outdoors can just bring about more distractions which can have a negative effect on your experience. And no, everyone does not feel like walking around. In fact most people find it extremely difficult to get up & move around when high doses are used. It's best to just lay down and stay put!

Last but not least...your horrible advice of "consider this just getting really, REALLY high for 5 mins. I mean an entire blunt packed into 2 hits". SALVIA IS NOTHING LIKE A CANNABIS HIGH. The fact you try to compare it to Cannabis makes me think you've never had a strong experience with Salvia.


a) My post is directed to someone who is doing it for their FIRST TIME. Which is what you seem to have glossed over.. which is why I forgive you. No one should have to worry about "freaking out," and that is best prevented by doing it outside with a bunch of other high people. Whatever he wants to do AFTER the first few experiences, well, he'll make another topic about that won't he? Then he can follow your advice.
b) You can still laugh and be taken to other dimensions, whilst laughing. Of course, if you are alone and indoors, the chance of the hysterical laughter accompanying it is greatly diminished.
c) I've introduced salvia to nearly 30 people... When outdoors, they absolutely, 100% start wandering around after a couple minutes. It's hilariously predictable. When I have done it indoors with people, you are right, they don't walk around, but then chances of paranoia are much higher because they cannot "escape."
d) The first time I did salvia, my friend told me it was weed; I took 2 regular hits and believed him until a girl said "Yo, you just smoked salvia". Sure, I probably hadn't hit it right, but till then I thought it was weed. And since it's his first time as well, his experience should be similar but more intense because he'll be hitting it right.

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As for the indoor/outdoors thing, it's the only thing I disagree with you about... but I will only go into details if the OP inquires further about the subject.

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Diablo Blanco]
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A few things regarding salvia:

1) Do not expect any description of effects to come even close to what you will experience. Every time I've described one of my salvia trips afterwards, I used the words I used only because they were the closest I could come to portraying what I experienced. There is really no way to put a salvia trip into words.

2) As others have said, it is not a fun party drug. Unlike most popular hallucinogens it does not give you feelings of euphoria in any way. What it does is turns your reality upside-down and takes you places you never expected to go- into a waving flag made of neon bricks, merging with your wall, a daycare center where you're a child and the objects in your room are the supervisors, etc.

3) Keep the lighter on the salvia the entire time you inhale, this will release more salvinorin.

4) Music with salvia is hit-or-miss. Sometimes it's really awesome and makes the experience, other times it's distracting and irritating. I have had really good trips listening to Porcupine Tree, The Beatles, Peter Gabriel, and Tool, where the songs strongly influenced the vision.


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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: NetDiver]
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thanks for more suggestions!

but i have a question!

say for my first salvia trip i didn't want to ruin it for myself, or smoke so much that it completely and utterly blew me over so that i was scared to smoke it again. like, what if i packed half a bowl and took some decent sized hits...but not huge, hold in, ones. like, is there a way to smoke it so you are like, ok, this is a fair amount but nothing killer

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: emeraldlife88]
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I think setting is more important, but of course you can take a less effective hit. (Instead of taking a bunch of smaller ones, take 1 giant hit, and hold it in proper. 1 hit shouldn't do too much your first time, especially out of a bowl).

Peace and get back to us about how it went!

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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: Cyrone]
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I like having somebody with me so if I g et freaked I can talk to them and have them reassure that i am still in the room


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Re: Just ordered 20x Salvia extract! Suggestions! [Re: mudnpool]
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Start slowly and work your way up in dosage from a level II experience till you reach your sweet spot.  Spend some time in the salvia headspace and get comfortable with it as you can.

FWIW, I never warmed up to it.  But, who knows, maybe YMMV.

N.B.


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