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Police found drugs and phone
#11050484 - 09/13/09 06:08 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hi. Need quick advice.
A friend of mine K was at someones house he didn't know (X) with a few friends, L and R. K had eighteen individual bagged grams of ketamin, six of cocaine, and 3 2cb tablets. L wanted to 'borrow' a gram of coke from K so went into his pocket while he slept and took a gram, in doing so scattered all of his other bags onto the floor. X enters the room, sees all the drugs and says something like, "why the fuck are there drugs in this house?" grabs K by the neck and drags him outside, snapping a metal chain he wore round his neck. K was badly beaten up, bitten, and left the scene bleeding with a shoe missing as the police had been called by X after seeing the drugs. K through his drugs over a wall, ditched his other shoe and ran. He was picked up by a milkvan at about 5am, in a pretty poor state.
The police arrived and managed to find/were given, K's mobile phone and the drugs. K was looked for by police and not found.
Both K's friends L and R have made statements stating K brought the drugs to the house. The police want to contact K, and K will soon be talking to the police as he figures they'll find him soon anyways.
K has locked the phone with the phone company which should hopefully make it inaccessible, but police may be able to access it.
Advice as far as what to say and what not to say to the police. Any more info just ask.
K plans to claim the cocaine and 2cb as personal, but may struggle with eighteen individually wrapped grams of ketamin. What do you think?
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: tosatori]
#11050491 - 09/13/09 06:12 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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The police can get into that phone if they want. All it takes is a warrant, they don't even need the phone.
But freedom of association is guaranteed under the Constitution- call anybody you want to call.
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: Doc_T]
#11050502 - 09/13/09 06:17 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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It may well all depend on how well the police delve into this. For example if they bother to test each individual bag of substance. If they read everything on the phone. if they dust the bags for prints.
In a statement made by L, she said "everyones prints will be on all the bags cos we all touched them" or something like that. i dont know why.
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: tosatori]
#11050507 - 09/13/09 06:19 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nope- they don't need to test it. Most places, 18 bags of powdered sugar would count as 18 bags of drugs, it's still intent to distribute.
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: Doc_T]
#11050515 - 09/13/09 06:24 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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To have a case they need proof or admittance that the bags contain something illegal... SURELY
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: Doc_T]
#11050519 - 09/13/09 06:26 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Advice as far as what to say and what not to say to the police. Any more info just ask.
Nothing at all. Tell him to keep his mouth tightly shut.
Tell him to wait and see what happens.
I wouldn't smoke any grass.
Maybe the (let's call him asshole) has something on himself that can incriminate him. I've seen people like him get behind bars instead of the other guy here in Portugal. (The mouth shut and wait advice apply anywhere in the world.)
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: AlexP]
#11050531 - 09/13/09 06:35 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is in the UK. I've jst found out it was in fact K's friends house, and not in fact X's. K has serious injuries caused by X, as do L and R.
X is the head of science at a school. and seems extremely agressive. K was bitten....
K plans to press charges against X, although will incriminate himself in the process.
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: Doc_T]
#11050901 - 09/13/09 09:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most places, 18 bags of powdered sugar would count as 18 bags of drugs, it's still intent to distribute.
Not true unless you are trying to sell the sugar as drugs.
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To have a case they need proof or admittance that the bags contain something illegal... SURELY
They probably will test the bags, find that they are K and file drug dealing charges.
Its good that they didn't find the drugs on him, but bad that his friends made statements to the police.
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K plans to press charges against X, although will incriminate himself in the process.
Maybe not a good idea legally. Its best for K not to speak with the police at all. He should remain silent and have his lawyer do all the talking. He should speak with a lawyer about all this before he does anything else.
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: tosatori]
#11052868 - 09/13/09 05:01 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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depends how obvious phone messages are. eg if codes are used for drugs etc etc they might not be able to prove anything through that. on the other hand if messages are present from know dealers this could work entirely the opposite way. the police can access the messages for sure locked phone or not.
depends if k admits to having brought drugs in to protect other two friends, if all prints are on bags. were drugs found in house or at roadside or both? ie what quantities were found? possession with intnt to supply is quite a low amount in the uk, might get away with say up to ten bags i dunno. but individually wrapped is iffy. apart from claiming theyre his for personal use he shud probably keep his mouth firmly shut
if k presses charges this could incriminate him badly. if k lets it go x may be less likely to testify against him? x being head of science in a school faces losing a lot charged with assault. no more access to children for a very long time despite him doing it because of drugs. and potentially a prison sentence. what did it have to do with him anyway if it wasnt in his house? christ ive had spliffs by my exs policeman father and swapped bags of ket and coke and cannabis and god knows what else in front of a policewoman friend and no one reacts like that. its inappropriate and could land x in a lot of trouble. perhaps k could remind x (through a mutual friend or otherwise) of that. after all, x could have just quietly called the police without assaulting k. if someone called me up at my charity work and said someone had bit them i would instantly refer them to the police. sadly the one time it happened it was a policeman who did the biting - so it went straight to the police complains commission. its a really serious offence.
does k have the chain that was snapped? did he take photos of himself as evidence of the assault? if not, its drug dealers word against man who reported drug dealer which wont go in k's favour.
would k be facing a first offence or has he been in trouble before? its a shame the other two said anything.
also they dont need to prove something is illegal necessarily i dont think. hes stilla dealer if hes giving out rat poison, like my ex was still a gunman for being a threat to the public with i think a pretend gun or even his hand or something pointing at his friend in a gun shape. he got one of those 5 year order things for that. he also had drugs on him but nothing like that quantity. depends how busy the police are at the time / what sorta police they are/what mood theyre in. another time this ex of mine was dealing and taking drugs in a pub and they just picked him up and took him home and didnt charge or anything.
Edited by pseudonym88 (09/13/09 05:09 PM)
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: pseudonym88]
#11113802 - 09/23/09 04:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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K talked to the police after being contacted by them, not without an appointed lawyer. They accessed the phone and asked him about at least one person who had txted him for drugs. Messages were usually coded but are still pretty obvious "can i get a Z of K?" K kept quiet at appropriate moments although im unsure completely of what was said as i cant contact K as he doesnt have a phone. He is on bail and has a court date set for december. The lawyer seems confident he will not be charged with intent to supply due to lack of evidence. any incriminating messages are several months old. It should be alright, a possession charge isn't the end of the world and would never hold jail time. Time will tell.
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: tosatori]
#11117658 - 09/24/09 06:14 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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well, good luck to your friend. sounds like the lawyer knows what theyre talking about - it does seem like theres a lack of evidence tbh esp if they dont find great stacks of cash etc. and if the phone hasnt been used for dealing for a few months then thats quite a lucky break for him. let's hope he gets something of a christmas present from the courts in december! has the foolish anti drugs cunt who beat him up been banned from working with kids yet?
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: pseudonym88]
#11119269 - 09/24/09 01:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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why must you stalk me c?
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: tosatori]
#11120477 - 09/24/09 04:56 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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should have reported the phone stolen,
and then denied everything, and not talked to the cops.
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: tosatori]
#11120514 - 09/24/09 05:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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didnt come here to do that but saw post and thought i knew who u were talking about. mistake and invasion of privacy on my part, im sorry.
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: eyedea]
#11138147 - 09/27/09 04:17 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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the police have only obtained a statement from the arsehole who attacked my friend. My friend said "no comment" throughout. Fair enough perhaps he shouldn't have gone to the police, but everyone seemed to think it was only a matter of time. should all be alright due to lack of evidence.
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: tosatori]
#11143992 - 09/28/09 02:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Never make ANY statement to the police under ANY circumstances. That's the best legal advice you'll ever hear and it sounds like that advice was ignored several times in this case.
You should never make any statement, let alone admit to anything.
> K plans to press charges against X, although will incriminate himself in the process.
I also have no idea what "K" is thinking when he talks about pressing assult charges. The story is going to be that K came to the house, scattered illegal drugs about, and was roughed up in the process of being thrown out. If he is foolish enough to make any statement to the police about this he'll probably be charged with tresspassing and assult in addition to the drugs. I don't know where he gets the idea that anything could happen to X over this. X will come out of this looking like a hero.
K needs to forget about all this and get some new friends. Sounds like they're a bunch of rats and pussies.
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: fastfred]
#11149265 - 09/29/09 09:16 AM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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wow, K, sounds like he's in for one hell of a ride.
he should watch this video Don't talk to the police! yes i know it's kinda long, but its VERY informative, it details things from a criminal defense attorney's POV, and then a veteran detective's. explaining just how important our 5th amendment right is, and how often it's waived, and pretty much made null and void, not by the police, but by you. WATCH THE VIDEO!......NOW!
edit-didnt realize your in the UK, but i still believe you should watch the video
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: nonamenomad]
#11150793 - 09/29/09 02:19 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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seen it before, but cheers anyways. i have every hope K will be fine, thank god its not the US or itd be a different story. peace
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Re: Police found drugs and phone [Re: tosatori]
#11220803 - 10/10/09 01:18 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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gram bags? mistake #1
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