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Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo
    #11220405 - 10/10/09 01:35 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I want to spawn my five 1/2pint cakes to Hpoo and coir but am unaware of a good tek. Iv looked for a little while and haven't found something thats right for me. I was thinking id pasteurize my hpoo coir together in my pc but again I don't know the best way to go about doing that(how to obtain proper moisture lvl?) anyway I just want someone who's experienced with spawning to hpoo to give me some advice(never done it before) thanks shroomery, you rock!:discorex:


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: 2Cents]
    #11220427 - 10/10/09 01:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

there should be a ton of poo pasteurization teks. Most involve hot water, a pillow case, and bulk spawn.


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: 2Cents]
    #11220440 - 10/10/09 01:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Pasteurize it together, wet.  Moisture content isn't critical at this stage.  When you spawn it, if the substrate is too wet, squeeze some moisture out.  If it is too dry, add some more water.

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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: uncle_rico]
    #11220451 - 10/10/09 01:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

ok pasteurization down but what about how I go about spawning my cakes to hpoo coir? I was thinking after I sterilize my hpoo /coir I add 1/3 spawn to sub(sub being 50/50 coir hpoo) by laying a thin layer spawn on bottom then layer it from there in 4 different containers that I will place in my FC


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: 2Cents]
    #11220472 - 10/10/09 01:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I just mix my bulk sub. and spawn.

Lots of people layer.  If you layer, do a final top layer of bulk substrate .... avoid the 'frosting' of spawn for a number of reasons.


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: uncle_rico]
    #11220504 - 10/10/09 02:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

got yea, wasnt planning on frosting but good to know man. thank you


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: 2Cents]
    #11220818 - 10/10/09 03:20 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Good that you aren't. Seems like I see people on here doing that often, and I've always heard of bad results using that method.

IME I really think it is better to cover your top layer of spawn with another layer of sub. If anything, the spawn on top colonizing fast makes you think you're at 100% when you may only be in the 80's for colonization. If you do even layers, you'll know that when the top is done so is the rest.

I'm also fairly sure I remember RR saying somewhere in the archives that grain on top of your bulk would be a warm welcome for contams.


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: Diesel_Dawg]
    #11222180 - 10/10/09 07:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

"I'm also fairly sure I remember RR saying somewhere in the archives that grain on top of your bulk would be a warm welcome for contams."

Hey Diesel Dawg .... reading your post gave me an idea ...

I have been experiencing a higher rate of trichoderma contamination than I am comfortable with .... maybe MIXING and having WBS right at the surface is allowing trich to get a start there?

I'll try mixing and then doing a final top layer with straight bulk ... no grains ... and see what happens.

I'm willing to try anything/everything that makes any sense .... and this makes sense.


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: uncle_rico]
    #11222276 - 10/10/09 07:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

you can crumble the cakes up and mix them together with the bulk sub, or take like a cheese grater and run it downt he side and shred it, and then mizx it up


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: anakin3197]
    #11222316 - 10/10/09 08:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

i was just gunna crumble the cakes in marble sized maybe slightly bigger chunks but I hear making too small of pieces is bad.


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: 2Cents]
    #11222417 - 10/10/09 08:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

about the size of a quarter. you could also take a cake slice it in half or a third place a layer of sub, then put 2 of the 3 pieces on top. then break the 3rd into small pieces and scatter around the empty places in the bulk. then add a inch or 2 of more bulk, and put another layer of the cake as before.  theres a tek on here that shows you how to do that.


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: 2Cents]
    #11222470 - 10/10/09 08:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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i was just gunna crumble the cakes in marble sized maybe slightly bigger chunks but I hear making too small of pieces is bad.




I've read that too but it's wrong.  Marble sized chunks are too big, you want smaller pieces = more inoculation points.  And besides, these cakes crumble so easily that you cant avoid breaking them into tiny shreads of pieces, almost as fine as the brf and verm itself.


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: tall dwarf]
    #11222666 - 10/10/09 09:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I see your point Golden_Student but doesn't that also weaken the mycelium by making it so small? I think healthy sized balls:crazy2: would be best.. idk I would like more input. maybe slice cakes into thin sheets?


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: 2Cents]
    #11222814 - 10/10/09 09:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Its best to do it small. Think of WBS and rye. Lots of small inoculation points. You want this because it ensures quicker and more even colonization. Larger chunks would only slow the process, giving contams a longer period to take hold and germinate before the myc is able to colonize.

Mycelium forms a network and when you break this network at any point you will see slowed growth. You might as well give it it's beating all at once and do it right.


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: dancefloordale]
    #11222879 - 10/10/09 09:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

you have convinced me sir.


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: 2Cents]
    #11222911 - 10/10/09 09:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Here is an example of what I mean...


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Re: Need some help with spawining to coir/hpoo [Re: dancefloordale]
    #11222922 - 10/10/09 09:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Impressive, well I'm most certainly sold on the idea so I'll break my cakes up nice and small.


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