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mozhual said:
I'd like to know how echoesSG knows he knew... not that it really has any relevance, he clearly states that he accepted it only on behalf of the country/politicians who came before him.

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As long as a nukeless world remains wishful thinking and pastoral rhetoric, we'll be all right. But if the Nobel committee truly cares about peace, they will think a little harder about actually trying to make it a reality. Open a history book and you'll see what the modern world looks like without nuclear weapons. It is horrible beyond description.

During the 31 years leading up to the first atomic bomb, the world without nuclear weapons engaged in two global wars resulting in the deaths of an estimated 78 million to 95 million people, uniformed and civilian. The world wars were the hideous expression of what happens when the human tendency toward conflict hooks up with the violent possibilities of the industrial age. The version of this story we are most familiar with today is the Nazi death machinery, and so we are often tempted to think that if Hitler had not happened, we would never have encountered assembly line murder. (See TIME's photo-essay "Fun with Photoshop: Obama's Other Awards")

The truth is that industrial killing was practiced by many nations in the old world without nuclear weapons. Soldiers were gassed and machine-gunned by the hundreds of thousands in the trenches of World War I, when Hitler was just another corporal in the Kaiser's army. By World War II, countries on both sides of the war used airplanes and artillery to rain death on battlefields as well as cities, until the number killed around the world was so huge the best estimates of the total number lost diverge by some 16 million souls. The dead numbered 62 million, or 78 million - somewhere in there.

So, when last we saw a world without nuclear weapons, human beings were killing each other with such feverish efficiency that they couldn't keep track of the victims to the nearest 15 million. Over three decades of industrialized war, the planet had averaged around three million dead per year. Why did that stop happening?

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CapHat said:
You dont understand Prisoner? That right Obama a puppet for a corporate war machine does not deserve a peace prize. Sense hes a president of a foreign corporation which I am not a member of I dont consider him my president. If calling it a president I am my own. If you want to give a peace prize to some one to make them feel good , give it to the kids who have to stay cool when everything around then that thy love is blown up and destroyed. Obama you actually believe he the president cuz you voted for him and hes a good guy? Try to imagine what kind of people Obamas hooked up with. All the shit your against about government, Obama represents. Obama doesnt represent America thats impossible. Obama represents an evil artificial corporation (slave Law, citizen Law, commercial Law, that fake ass Law that you hate for taking people away with out a victim) No matter how much the press distifle decent and I represent the natural god given law so I wont rase a beer to Obama. Whats this our president?

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CapHat said:
Hes a puppet, not his choice.

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