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Invisibleniteowl
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Capitalism has destroyed democracy
    #11216323 - 10/09/09 05:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

This is an interesting 30min video by Bill Moyers.
He talks about how capitalism has corrupted our democracy

Something to get mad about


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: niteowl]
    #11216340 - 10/09/09 06:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

America is a Republic NOT a Democracy. Capitalism has destroyed nothing, it in fact produced every good product you rely on in your daily life. Get a clue.


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: niteowl]
    #11216376 - 10/09/09 06:07 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well it's a good thing the founding fathers gave us "a republic if you can keep it" and not  "a democracy if you can keep it"


In fact they hated democracies.


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James Madison, known as the father of the United States Constitution to many historians, had this to say about the dangers of Democracy in the Federalist Papers (Federalist Number 10):

“Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

Listen to what John Adams had to say about Democracy:

“Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man’s life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure..."

Democracy is supposed to be about equality, but since it is rule by a majority, it does not take much for a majority of bad ideas to rule the day.

Thomas Jefferson had this to say about the failure of a Democracy:




“A Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.”

Now listen to what Ben Franklin had to say about a Democracy:

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"

Again, listen to John Adams on Democracy:

“Remember, Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a Democracy yet that did not commit suicide.”






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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: buckwheat]
    #11216540 - 10/09/09 06:40 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Capitalism has created infinitely  more wealth than it could ever destroy.


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: memes]
    #11216554 - 10/09/09 06:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

And that wealth has bought the politicians :shake:


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: niteowl]
    #11216562 - 10/09/09 06:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Third world countries don't have bad politicians? Riiiiigggghtttt! :what:

Lets just go ahead and blame wealth for everything. :rolleyes:


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: RationalEgo]
    #11216565 - 10/09/09 06:46 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

RationalEgo said:
Get a clue.




:lol: says the man with an ayn rand quote in the sig..


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: niteowl]
    #11216585 - 10/09/09 06:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

niteowl said:
And that wealth has bought the politicians :shake:



No, that wealth brought 70% of the world's population out of destitution and into the middle class.  It brought technological change, entrepreneurship, and cheap household appliances & convienance goods for the masses.

Capitalism brought all that.  Capitalism trumped mercantalism and thus brought on our modern world.


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: memes]
    #11216592 - 10/09/09 06:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

have you watched the video I posted?
unchecked capitalism is a bad thing mmmkay


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: niteowl]
    #11216598 - 10/09/09 06:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Of course it is.  Unchecked anything is a bad thing.  You can die from drinking too much water - the most essential substance on earth.  Tell me something that isn't a given.


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: memes]
    #11216601 - 10/09/09 06:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

meams said:
Quote:

niteowl said:
And that wealth has bought the politicians :shake:



No, that wealth brought 70% of the world's population out of destitution and into the middle class.  It brought technological change, entrepreneurship, and cheap household appliances & convienance goods for the masses.

Capitalism brought all that.  Capitalism trumped mercantalism and thus brought on our modern world.





very good things to keep in mind, but also should remember that unrestrained capitalism has brought astronomical debt, exploitation of people and resources, and environmental degredation... capitalism and unrestrained capitalism are not quite the same thing


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: memes]
    #11216613 - 10/09/09 07:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

meams said:
Of course it is.  Unchecked anything is a bad thing.  You can die from drinking too much water - the most essential substance on earth.  Tell me something that isn't a given.




there is not enough checks and balances in our
capitalistic system at the moment
that is the whole point of the video

:flowstone:


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: buckwheat]
    #11216614 - 10/09/09 07:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

buckwheat said:
Well it's a good thing the founding fathers gave us "a republic if you can keep it" and not  "a democracy if you can keep it"


In fact they hated democracies.


Quote:

James Madison, known as the father of the United States Constitution to many historians, had this to say about the dangers of Democracy in the Federalist Papers (Federalist Number 10):

�Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.�

Listen to what John Adams had to say about Democracy:

�Democracy will soon degenerate into an anarchy, such an anarchy that every man will do what is right in his own eyes and no man�s life or property or reputation or liberty will be secure..."

Democracy is supposed to be about equality, but since it is rule by a majority, it does not take much for a majority of bad ideas to rule the day.

Thomas Jefferson had this to say about the failure of a Democracy:




�A Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.�

Now listen to what Ben Franklin had to say about a Democracy:

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"

Again, listen to John Adams on Democracy:

�Remember, Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a Democracy yet that did not commit suicide.�










Great post buckwheat, where did that come from?


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: memes]
    #11216617 - 10/09/09 07:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Hendostan said:
remember that unrestrained capitalism has brought astronomical debt, exploitation of people and resources, and environmental degredation... capitalism and unrestrained capitalism are not quite the same thing



Quote:

meams said:
Of course it is.  Unchecked anything is a bad thing.  You can die from drinking too much water - the most essential substance on earth.  Tell me something that isn't a given.




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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: memes]
    #11216663 - 10/09/09 07:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

dude, gimme a break, i was typing while you guys were busy posting the same stuff :pirate:


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: Hendostan]
    #11216676 - 10/09/09 07:13 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

my bad, lol.  i naturally assume everyone types a billion wpm like me and the other shroomery crackheads :kingtard:

My bad.


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: memes]
    #11216694 - 10/09/09 07:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

hah, no worries. sucks when i think i have something good to say, post it, and discover its already been said plus 3 or 4 replies... and i thought i was a fast typer :toomuchacid:


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: niteowl]
    #11216718 - 10/09/09 07:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

niteowl said:
have you watched the video I posted?
unchecked capitalism is a bad thing mmmkay





this capitalism we have, it's heavily checked and regulated, it's because
of those close ties that the politicians are easily corrupted


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11216747 - 10/09/09 07:29 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Revolving Door.


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Re: Capitalism has destroyed democracy [Re: memes]
    #11216758 - 10/09/09 07:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

and we as voters can put a stop to it


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