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Carl jung
    #11215207 - 10/09/09 02:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

What are some good Carl Jung books? He seems to be interesting.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11215229 - 10/09/09 02:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

His autobiography. "Dreams, Memories and Reflections"


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Re: Carl jung [Re: Icelander]
    #11215299 - 10/09/09 03:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I ordered it from the library. It had better be good.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11215393 - 10/09/09 03:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm, I never enjoyed his autobiography. I got through the first hundred pages but could never push myself to finish it.

What I highly recommend is "The Portable Jung" edited by his student (and eminent scholar in his own right) Joseph Campbell. It's a collection of essays with a wide variety of topics. It contains some of my favorite essays. Whatever you choose, good luck.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: ShroomScape]
    #11215419 - 10/09/09 03:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

The library is free. I can look at all of them.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11216665 - 10/09/09 07:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I ordered it from the library. It had better be good.





It's a great read. At least it was many years ago when I read it. I'm not as big a fan of Jung as I once was.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: Icelander]
    #11217358 - 10/09/09 09:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

He's mostly only interesting if you're a hardcore psychologist. He edited one book for the public only to try and make his stuff more mainstream-accessible, I can't remember its name.

When I've tried to read Aion I've found when it gets into the structure and dynamics of the self stuff, it's complete jibberish to me. Maybe not so for professors of psychology though.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: burgatory]
    #11217402 - 10/09/09 09:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

That's why I recommend his autobiography. He presents his ideas and experiences in lay terms.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: Icelander]
    #11217412 - 10/09/09 09:52 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I want The Red Book...
Its over $100 though.:thumbdown:


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Re: Carl jung [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11217467 - 10/09/09 10:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)
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I liked his definitions of extraversion and introversion quite a bit... it's certainly not for everyone, but if you can get interested, it bears a lot of fruit.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11217706 - 10/09/09 11:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I ordered it from the library. It had better be good.




Or else! :minigun:


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Re: Carl jung [Re: Icelander]
    #11217719 - 10/09/09 11:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not as big a fan of Jung as I once was.




Cuz you are not as Jung as you once were. :rimshot:

I know - too obvious, but hey I am tired.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: burgatory]
    #11219848 - 10/10/09 11:21 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I know the title of that book in french is "Psychologie de l'inconscient", maybe "Psychology of the unconsciouness" or something like that...?
I wasvery enthusiastic with Jung a few years ago, then I started to consider that psychanalysis was a bit vague in comparison to psychology, then I started seeing criticism of psychology as a pseudo-science, and now I'm a little skeptic about all that stuff, even though it's pretty interesting.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: Kukaracha]
    #11221893 - 10/10/09 06:50 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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then I started seeing criticism of psychology as a pseudo-science, and now I'm a little skeptic about all that stuff, even though it's pretty interesting.




I mean the label of "psuedoscience" can be leveled at any study of the human condition because we are dynamic. Just because we cannot be described by mathematical approximations doesn't mean a science about us cannot be adequately described, and surely the methods and language cannot be those of mathematics. The necessity of consistency over time that the hard sciences shoot for is not one the social sciences  shoot for and I think applying the essentialist requirements to psychology has run our perspectives on mental health specifically, and human health generally, in an inappropriately critical direction. If you are interested in empirical consistency in psychological studies, Jung is definitely not the way to go, that joker is wayy off the spiritual-mystical end of constructing the self. keep it in the contemporary psychoanalytic stuff, or if you are interested mainstream psychology is having tons of debate at the moment on how the DSM-V should be constituted, so go read some of that stuff.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: sander]
    #11221917 - 10/10/09 06:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

IMO if your interested in something useful check out REBT.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: Kukaracha]
    #11221937 - 10/10/09 06:58 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Pseudo means better.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: sander]
    #11225448 - 10/11/09 10:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I said "pseudo science" as "as-science-that-is-not-exactly-an-exact-science", like sociology.
However, the major turnoff was seeing the weakness of many thoughts and theories, especially since psychology has drawn a major interest and appears in trivial interpretations in mainstream media. An original theory gets mixed up with what people understand of it, what is read in magazines or books (which make the human mind look so simple a 10 year old could understand most of it), and the lack of rigorous criticism.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still interested in it, but I'll try to build a specific knowledge so I can get informations directly from the source. I'm still worried though when I hear people who went through psychology studies and call bullshit. It is a young science after all.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11225784 - 10/11/09 12:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Man and His Symbols in hardcover, which is well illustrated, is a great introduction to Jung's work.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: burgatory]
    #11225803 - 10/11/09 12:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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He's mostly only interesting if you're a hardcore psychologist. He edited one book for the public only to try and make his stuff more mainstream-accessible, I can't remember its name.

When I've tried to read Aion I've found when it gets into the structure and dynamics of the self stuff, it's complete jibberish to me. Maybe not so for professors of psychology though.



 

This cracks me up. "Jibberish" is a word derived from an ancient alchemist, Jabir. Geber is the Latinized form of 'Jabir', with the full name of Abu Musa Jâbir ibn Hayyân al azdi. His works are meaningful to those who have gone into alchemy, as Jung did. Today, the word "jibberish" is used by people who do not understand abstruse knowledge, and it means 'Jabir-like,' which is to say, not understandable.


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Re: Carl jung [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #11243482 - 10/14/09 01:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I knew that.


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Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness. Thus, just as the way of social participation may lead in the end to a realization of the All in the individual, so that of exile brings the hero to the Self in all.

joseph campbell


For, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

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