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Ramana Maharshi
    #11214512 - 10/09/09 12:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Sri Bhagavan Ramana Maharshi

'the Sage of Arunachala'




"Happiness is the very nature of the Self; happiness and the Self are not different.
There is no happiness in any object of the world.
We imagine through our ignorance that we derive happiness from objects.
When the mind goes outwards, it experiences misery.
When the object desired is obtained or the object disliked is removed, the mind becomes inward-turned, and enjoys pure Self-Happiness.
Thus the mind moves without rest alternately going out of the Self and returning to it."


"Whatever be the means adopted, you must at last return to the Self, so why not abide as the Self here & now?"


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
    #11214532 - 10/09/09 12:57 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Because I separated for a reason :wink:


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Being unable to make what is just strong,
we have made what is strong just. -- Pascal

Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Kickle]
    #11214630 - 10/09/09 01:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Kickle said:
Because I separated for a reason :wink:




Who has separated from what?

:peace:


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
    #11215230 - 10/09/09 02:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

But the ego isn't the self. So to return to the true self, we must stop our thoughts, the egos thoughts, and simply experience?

Does the true self think? Or is it abstractions we true and incorporate into the egoic mind?

Is the "id" the ego trying to preserve itself through fear?


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11215287 - 10/09/09 03:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)



"To say ‘I am not this’ or ‘I am that’ there must be the ‘I’.
This ‘I’ is only the ego or the ‘I’-thought.
After the rising up of this ‘I’-thought, all other thoughts arise.
The ‘I’-thought is therefore the root-thought.
If the root is pulled out, all others are at the same time uprooted.
Therefore seek the root-’I’, question yourself ‘Who am I ?‘, find out its source.
Then all these will vanish and the pure Self will remain over"


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
    #11215337 - 10/09/09 03:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I see, so we are pulling the rug out from underneath the ego. Taking out the foundation. Does this mean the ego can never conceptualize the Self?


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11215443 - 10/09/09 03:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

c0sm0nautt said:
I see, so we are pulling the rug out from underneath the ego. Taking out the foundation.




Exactly :thumbup:


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c0sm0nautt said:
Does this mean the ego can never conceptualize the Self?





"The concept will be only according to the one who conceives.
Find out who you are and the other problems will solve themselves."


the Self, being the witness of all conceptual activity itself can not be a concept,
if it were a witnessable concept, then what would lie beyond as the witness of this concept? can it be other than the Self?

after the dissolution of the ego, there comes the pure experience of the Self which is only awareness, silence & bliss, as soon as this experience is conceptualized the ego has risen again...eventually though thorugh constant inquiry, the experience of the Self is so final no concept can cause the ego to rise again, and ifit does it can not stand for long, as the rug has been pulled out :wink:


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
    #11215566 - 10/09/09 03:43 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Very interesting topic Chronic. How do you personally went about to pull the rug out from under your ego? What kind of meditation do you do?


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Diaboleros]
    #11215641 - 10/09/09 03:56 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Self Inquiry, meditation on the Self

"Meditation on the Self which is oneself is the greatest of all meditations, all other meditations are included in this"


Anything you meditate (concentrate) on, the Self is there to meditate upon it, so meditation on that Self is the highest meditation possible, also one of Buddhas greatest teachings, 'Annata' is focused on the nature of Self

:peace:


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
    #11217068 - 10/09/09 08:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Chronic777 said:
Quote:

Kickle said:
Because I separated for a reason :wink:




Who has separated from what?

:peace:




The answer to this is the same as the answer of return from what, to what?


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we have made what is strong just. -- Pascal

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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Kickle]
    #11217593 - 10/09/09 10:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

but we need our egos to function is society.


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
    #11217765 - 10/09/09 11:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

How does one meditate on the Self?  :strokebeard:


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #11219313 - 10/10/09 07:51 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Amber_Glow said:
How does one meditate on the Self?  :strokebeard:






"That which rises as 'I' in this body is the mind.
If one inquires as to where in the body the thought 'I' rises first, one would discover that it rises in the Heart.
That is the place of the mind's origin.
Of all the thoughts that arise in the mind, the 'I' thought is the first.
It is only after the rise of this that the other thoughts arise.

As each thought arises, one should inquire with diligence
"To whom has this thought arisen?"
The answer that would emerge would be "To me"
If one then inquires "Who am I?", the mind will go back to its source.
With repeated practice in this manner, the mind will develop the skill to stay in its source."






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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
    #11219344 - 10/10/09 08:05 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

well, he's an enlightened master.
I like him.
Although he has a very unique approach of teaching!


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #11219364 - 10/10/09 08:16 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

It seems unique but its the same method the Buddha taught 'Anatta'
Inquiring into the nature of Self

The whole of Hinduism & Buddhism is rooted in Self Investigation

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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Chronic7]
    #11219989 - 10/10/09 11:59 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

These guys are misleading. There is no true self. True self is an oxymoron.


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Middleman]
    #11220081 - 10/10/09 12:21 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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Middleman said:
These guys are misleading. There is no true self. True self is an oxymoron.




lol
:laugh:
what do you think he is instead?
Somebody who wants you to convince of something in order to gain money?

If you believe so, please take a look at his life.


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #11220606 - 10/10/09 02:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

A person doesn't need to know they are being misleading to be so.


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #11221267 - 10/10/09 04:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Oweyervishice said:
A person doesn't need to know they are being misleading to be so.




Your judgment is foul. Do you even wasted a thought about yourself? Did you actually meet a person with a higher state of mind?

I bet you didn't!


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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: myshroomyhead]
    #11221548 - 10/10/09 05:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Nothing against Ramana, I'm just saying to be careful with concepts, awakening is a process that takes place below the neck.


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