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Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
    #11213803 - 10/09/09 10:16 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

I just saw this.  What do you guys think about this?  I'm sure opinions will be broken down by party line, so I will ask you: if you don't think he should have won, who should have instead?

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October 10, 2009
In Surprise, Nobel Peace Prize to Obama for Diplomacy
By WALTER GIBBS and SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

OSLO — The Nobel Committee announced Friday that the annual peace prize was awarded to Barack Obama, just nine months into his presidency, “for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples.”

The award cited in particular Mr. Obama’s effort to reduce the world’s nuclear arsenal. “He has created a new international climate,” the committee said.

The announcement stunned people from Norway to the White House. “There has been no discussion, nothing at all,” said Rahm Emanuel, the president’s chief of staff, in a brief telephone interview.

Mr. Emanuel said that he had not yet spoken directly to the president. A senior administration official said in an e-mail message that the press secretary, Robert Gibbs, called the White House shortly before 6 a.m. and woke the president with the news.

“The president was humbled to be selected by the committee,” the official said, without adding anything further.

A statement from Mr. Obama was expected at 10:30 a.m. in Washington.

Mr. Obama, who made United States history by becoming the first African-American president, made repairing the fractured relations between the United States and the rest of the world a major theme of his campaign for the presidency. Since taking office as president he has pursued a range of policies intended to fulfill that goal. He has vowed to pursue a world without nuclear weapons, as he did in a speech in Prague earlier this year; reached out to the Muslim world, delivering a major speech in Cairo in June; and sought to restart peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians.

“Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future,” the committee said in its citation. “His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world’s population.”

But while Mr. Obama has generated considerable good will overseas — his foreign counterparts are eager to meet with him, and polls show he is hugely popular around the world — many of his policy efforts have yet to bear fruit, or are only just beginning to do so. North Korea has defied him with missile tests; Iran, however, recently agreed to restart nuclear talks, which Mr. Obama has called “a constructive beginning.”

In that sense, Mr. Obama is unlike past recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize such as former President Jimmy Carter, who won in 2002 for what presenters cited as decades of “untiring efforts” to seek peaceful end to international conflicts. (Mr. Carter failed to win in 1978, as some had expected, after he brokered a historic peace deal between Israel and Egypt.)

Thorbjorn Jagland, the chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee and a former prime minister of Norway, said the president had already contributed enough to world diplomacy and international understanding to earn the award.

“We are not awarding the prize for what may happen in the future, but for what he has done in the previous year,” Mr. Jagland said. “We would hope this will enhance what he is trying to do.” The prize comes as Mr. Obama faces considerable challenges at home. On the domestic front, he is trying to press Congress to pass major legislation overhauling the nation’s health care system. On the foreign policy front, he is wrestling with declining support in his own party for the war in Afghanistan. The White House is engaged in an internal debate over whether to send more troops there, as Mr. Obama’s commanding general has requested.

For Mr. Obama, the award could, in a strange way, prove a political liability. As he traveled overseas during his campaign for the presidency, he was subjected to criticism from Republicans who argued he was too much the international celebrity. Winning the Nobel at such an early stage in his presidency could further that kind of criticism, especially in Washington’s hyperpartisan political environment.

Even before Mr. Obama appeared in the Rose Garden to discuss the award, he was facing criticism from the chairman of the Republican National Committee, Michael Steele.

“The real question Americans are asking is, ‘What has President Obama actually accomplished?’ It is unfortunate that the president’s star power has outshined tireless advocates who have made real achievements working towards peace and human rights,” Mr. Steele said in a statement. “One thing is certain — President Obama won’t be receiving any awards from Americans for job creation, fiscal responsibility, or backing up rhetoric with concrete action.”

Mr. Obama also suffered a rejection on the world stage when he traveled to Copenhagen only last Friday to press the United States’ unsuccessful bid to host the Olympics in Chicago. Mr. Emanuel, who heard the news at 5 a.m. when he was heading out for his morning swim, said he joked to his wife, “Oslo beats Copenhagen.”

But rebuffs have been rare for Mr. Obama as he has traveled the world these past nine months — from Africa to Europe, Latin America and the Middle East, with a trip to Asia planned for November.

In April, just hours after North Korea tested a ballistic missile in defiance of international sanctions, he told a huge crowd in Prague that he was committed to “a world without nuclear weapons.”

In June, he traveled to Cairo, fulfilling a campaign pledge to deliver a speech in a major Muslim capital. There, in a speech that was interrupted with shouts of, “We love you!” from the crowd, Mr. Obama said he sought a “new beginning” and a “fresh relationship” based on mutual understanding and respect.

“I am convinced that in order to move forward, we must say openly the things we hold in our hearts, and that too often are said only behind closed doors,” the president said then. “There must be a sustained effort to listen to each other, to learn from each other, to respect one another, to seek common ground.”

Mr. Obama’s foreign policy has been criticized bitterly among neoconservatives like former Vice President Dick Cheney, who have suggested his rhetoric is naïve and his inclination to talk to America’s enemies will leave the United States vulnerable to another terrorist attack.

In its announcement of the prize, the Nobel Committee seemed to directly refute that line of thinking.

“Obama has as president created a new climate in international politics,” the committee wrote. “Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play.”

Interviewed later in the Nobel Committee’s wood-paneled meeting room, surrounded by photographs of past winners, Mr. Jagland brushed aside concerns expressed by some critics that Mr. Obama remains untested.

“The question we have to ask is who has done the most in the previous year to enhance peace in the world,” Mr. Jagland said. “And who has done more than Barack Obama?”

He compared the selection of Mr. Obama with the award in 1971 to the then West German Chancellor Willy Brandt for his “Ostpolitik” policy of reconciliation with communist eastern Europe.

“Brandt hadn’t achieved much when he got the prize, but a process had started that ended with the fall of the Berlin Wall,” said Mr. Jagland. “The same thing is true of the prize to Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990, for launching perestroika. One can say that Barack Obama is trying to change the world, just as those two personalities changed Europe.”

“We have to get the world on the right track again,” he said. Without referring specifically to the Bush era, he continued: “Look at the level of confrontation we had just a few years ago. Now we get a man who is not only willing but probably able to open dialogue and strengthen international institutions.”

President Obama is the third leading American Democrat to win the prize this decade, following former Vice President Al Gore in 2007 along with the United Nations climate panel and former President Jimmy Carter in 2002.

The last sitting American president to win the prize was Woodrow Wilson in 1919. Theodore Roosevelt was selected in 1906 while in the White House and Mr. Carter more than 20 years after he left office.

The prize was won last year by the former president of Finland, Martti Ahtisaari for peace efforts in Africa and the Balkans.

The prize is worth the equivalent of $1.4 million and is to be awarded in Oslo on Dec. 10.

The full citation read: “The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama’s vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

“Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama’s initiative, the United States is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.”

Walter Gibbs reported from Oslo and Sheryl Gay Stolberg from Washington. Alan Cowell contributed reporting from London, and Richard Berry from Paris.




http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/world/10nobel.html?hp=&pagewanted=all


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Redstorm]
    #11213871 - 10/09/09 10:32 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

If he won it, i say bill richardson should win one too.


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Redstorm]
    #11213962 - 10/09/09 10:51 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

Ron Paul should win a peace prize just for opening peoples eyes about the FED alone! If we stop bombing random countries, that will bring much peace.

Fuck Obama, he is full of shit, railing our country into the ground just like a more effective G. Bush

i hated bush, but atleast he fucked our country slowly, a little foreplay is nice

Obama is bringing so much pain to this country and the next generations, how could anyone give him an award for peace? just because he is a good speaker?


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Redstorm]
    #11213968 - 10/09/09 10:52 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

who were the other nominees?


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: tektonic]
    #11213987 - 10/09/09 10:55 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

This is just more brainwashing by the NWO, lol

flexing their power, putting foundation to peoples mis-guided beliefs about Obama


but to be honest, he's just a weak puppet anyway, he personally isn't fucking the country as much as the people paying him


but realistically, did hitler kill all those jews himself? or was it the thousands of people who actual did the killing?


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: lonestar2004]
    #11214000 - 10/09/09 11:00 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

"Every year, the Norwegian Nobel Committee sends out thousands of letters inviting qualified people to submit their nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize. The names of the nominees and other information about the nominations cannot be revealed until 50 years later."

http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: tektonic]
    #11214002 - 10/09/09 11:00 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

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This is just more brainwashing by the NWO, lol

flexing their power, putting foundation to peoples mis-guided beliefs about Obama


but to be honest, he's just a weak puppet anyway, he personally isn't fucking the country as much as the people paying him


but realistically, did hitler kill all those jews himself? or was it the thousands of people who actual did the killing?




Keep it relevant to the topic at hand or make your own thread.


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: tektonic]
    #11214021 - 10/09/09 11:05 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

Next week, in a preliminary announcement because my qualifications are so obvious.  The Downtown Athletic Club will announce that, yes, zappaisgod has won the Heisman Trophy.  Also World Series MVP.


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11214086 - 10/09/09 11:26 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

i don't know if obama really deserves it yet. it seems more or less a superficial vote due to the "unification" in america that has resulted from electing our first black president.

the other reasons cited by the committee, like his bid to reduce nuclear armament around the world, have been nothing but talk so far. if they want to give him the prize for those reasons, they should have waited until next year, when his agenda has accomplished more.

so...premature, but not out of line.


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: JT]
    #11214097 - 10/09/09 11:28 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

Can anyone think of any of the nominees who were probably in the running or should have been?


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: JT]
    #11214100 - 10/09/09 11:29 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

I think it is out of line, theyre going on him claiming that he wants things.


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: JT]
    #11214112 - 10/09/09 11:31 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

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i don't know if obama really deserves it yet. it seems more or less a superficial vote due to the "unification" in america that has resulted from electing our first black president.




:rofl2:  Aside from the fact that there is no "unification" of America and that the first black President is so clearly inept and will likely set back the black cause for decades why would you ever believe that the Peace Prize lunatics give a shit about internal US politics?
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so...premature, but not out of line.




Nor is my Heisman by exactly the same criteria.


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11214122 - 10/09/09 11:34 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

how will he set back the black cause for decades?


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Redstorm]
    #11214136 - 10/09/09 11:37 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

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tektonic said:
This is just more brainwashing by the NWO, lol

flexing their power, putting foundation to peoples mis-guided beliefs about Obama


but to be honest, he's just a weak puppet anyway, he personally isn't fucking the country as much as the people paying him


but realistically, did hitler kill all those jews himself? or was it the thousands of people who actual did the killing?




Keep it relevant to the topic at hand or make your own thread.








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What do you guys think about this?  I'm sure opinions will be broken down by party line, so I will ask you: if you don't think he should have won, who should have instead?





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Ron Paul should win a peace prize just for opening peoples eyes about the FED alone! If we stop bombing random countries, that will bring much peace.





:ilold:  you just don't like my opinion :discorex: don't put that on me foo :peace:


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: tektonic]
    #11214142 - 10/09/09 11:39 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

I was talking about this craziness.

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This is just more brainwashing by the NWO, lol

flexing their power, putting foundation to peoples mis-guided beliefs about Obama


but to be honest, he's just a weak puppet anyway, he personally isn't fucking the country as much as the people paying him


but realistically, did hitler kill all those jews himself? or was it the thousands of people who actual did the killing?





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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #11214211 - 10/09/09 11:53 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

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how will he set back the black cause for decades?




i don't completely agree either, some people will be set back, some not

but when he leaves office the damage he has done will be clear

to those who don't see it already

he will give stigma to black people like bush gave stigma to white people

hopefully he is doing the right thing, and the world will be a better place by the end of his term, and he would deserve a prize***

but not until then, cuz so far, his shit is fucked up


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I was talking about this craziness.

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This is just more brainwashing by the NWO, lol

flexing their power, putting foundation to peoples mis-guided beliefs about Obama


but to be honest, he's just a weak puppet anyway, he personally isn't fucking the country as much as the people paying him


but realistically, did hitler kill all those jews himself? or was it the thousands of people who actual did the killing?










it just sounds crazy lol, i'm talking about why they are giving him a nobel prize, i'll re-word it to emphasize my point


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This nobel prize non-sense is just more brainwashing by the NWO, lol

flexing their power, putting foundation to peoples mis-guided beliefs about Obama by making him equivalent to MLK with this prize


but to be honest, why does he deserve a peace prize? he's just a weak puppet, he personally isn't fucking the country as much as the people paying him


but realistically, did hitler kill all those jews himself? or was it the thousands of people who actual did the killing? so is he really at fault?

obama said he would end the war, that would have been peaceful








sorry if i came of as a ranting conspiracy theorist, lol it's just too easy


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Olympus Mons]
    #11214238 - 10/09/09 11:57 AM (8 years, 10 days ago)

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how will he set back the black cause for decades?




its called "The soft bigotry of low expectations."


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: Redstorm]
    #11214375 - 10/09/09 12:28 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

Alright so I just found out about this.
There is only one pic to express how I feel



"The tally includes 172 individuals and 33 organisations, besting the 2005 number of 199 nominations.

Public broadcaster NRK reported that US President Barack Obama and French President Nicolas Sarkozy were among the nominees. "

I can't find the nominee list.


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: lonestar2004]
    #11214388 - 10/09/09 12:30 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

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how will he set back the black cause for decades?




its called "The soft bigotry of low expectations."



you obama haters crack me up. what do you expect from the guy, he's a tool, and theres no saving this place, it was designed to fail.


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Re: Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize [Re: djmako7]
    #11214390 - 10/09/09 12:30 PM (8 years, 10 days ago)

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I can't find the nominee list.




Read the whole thread.

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"Every year, the Norwegian Nobel Committee sends out thousands of letters inviting qualified people to submit their nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize. The names of the nominees and other information about the nominations cannot be revealed until 50 years later."

http://nobelprize.org/nomination/peace/





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