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Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot
    #11211646 - 10/09/09 12:29 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

I've encountered plenty of the kind of people who prefer alcohol to marijuana because of its legal status, and things like that, but there are other people I've met who enjoy all kinds of illegal psychedelic drugs, but choose not to use this drug. Many time's I've heard these people say that it makes them feel dumb, and I'm familiar with Alexander Shulgin's attitude toward marijuana -  that it is a complete waste of time.

I guess what I don't understand, is, if smoking a little pot makes you feel dumb, doesn't a psychedelic make you feel even more dumb?
I guess I tend to equate the effects of pot with a mild form of a psychedelic high, and I usually do not experience these 'dumbing down' feelings from smoking pot. Actually, I usually feel the opposite - heightened awareness. For some people this is manifested as paranoia, or edginess, but I think the edginess is tenfold on any psychedelic drug, as compared to the typical marijuana high.

I've always had this feeling that the high from marijuana is something very flexible - that it can zonk you out, or wake you up, or distract you, or help you concentrate. I've had a few panic attacks after smoking some excellent pot, but I've learned to channel all that THC energy into a state of super-relaxedness, much the same way I meditate in an LSD trip to help myself flow with the experience, and release myself from my apprehensions about the trip.


I'd just like to hear why you choose not to smoke pot.


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: drr]
    #11211679 - 10/09/09 12:33 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

for some people, the paranoid, anxious reaction can be extremely intense, more intense than tripping.  I used to be that way, but I grew out of it, and enjoy mj quite a bit now. :gethigh:


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: mofo]
    #11211748 - 10/09/09 12:39 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

I smoke rarely but when I do I smoke o much i trip. I see two different types of drugs, feel good kind and learning kind, pyscadelics are the learning and basikly everything else if feel good. I see pot as a learning drug but if used as frequent as most people do it turns into a feel good drug. I dont care for feel good drugs


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: mudnpool]
    #11211922 - 10/09/09 01:02 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

my old boss told me that pot was a waste of time but he used to split sheets between 3 other people. whenever i do shrooms i cant trip if i dont smoke a little weed.


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: drr]
    #11211925 - 10/09/09 01:03 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

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drr said:I guess what I don't understand, is, if smoking a little pot makes you feel dumb, doesn't a psychedelic make you feel even more dumb?




No. Pot seems to constrict my awareness and massively disrupt the continuity of my thought processes. Sometime after the nth time trying to complete the simplest thought, such as "where am..." "where..." "where am..." "whe..." "am?" "w" "where am i?" and not having the faintest fucking clue, i start to resent that my brain seems to have gotten packed with peanut butter, and am i wearing pants? and is this supposed to be fun? and so on i get paranoid. everybody knows how fucked up i am. they know. it's obvious. they pity me, the retard. why did i do this? and the time dilation just makes me depressed that i'll be stuck in retard-land for what will feel like forever.

Next day: I still feel dumb. Cloudy headed. Spacey. Doesn't work for me. Meanwhile, I've never experienced any of the pleasant sensations others report with pot. Nothing's funny, except perhaps me, but as the butt of a mean joke. Anything but relaxed. Maybe a twinge of sexual arousal, like getting groped: uncomfortable because it's not going anywhere.

Shrooms on the other hand: lucidity. Accelerated thought processes, with great leaps and long, long trains of connection. Gentle humor, euphoria, emotional release, love, peace, joy, orgasmic body high, waves of warm light radiating from my sacrum throughout my body, time stops, tears flow, i prostrate myself in gratitude, all one... next day: huge mood boost, clear thoughts, clear priorities.

For me, they're just not even remotely comparable or compatible drugs.


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: latherdome]
    #11212192 - 10/09/09 01:44 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

I get paranoid because for one it makes me trip on what people think about what I do and say, no other drug does that to me.

and also makes me feel stuck and clouded just how the otherwhitemeat described it, then that makes the paranoia ten fold because i'm too messed up to defend myself, when i'm trippin everything is clear and my reflexes are fast and accurate, especially when the fight or flight goes off.


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: latherdome]
    #11212194 - 10/09/09 01:45 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

yeah^


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: showme]
    #11212203 - 10/09/09 01:47 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

it has it's purposes like everything else

but i don't feel it's "part of a trip" like a lot of people do.

it's great for anxiety and relaxing and several other things, but I don't NEED it to enjoy things like a lot of people do - i havn't even been around it in over a year.

don't get me wrong though - when i'm 45 years old and it's legal, it will be a daily thing :lol:


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: latherdome]
    #11212219 - 10/09/09 01:51 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

Great question! I have a friend that used to smoke a decent amount of herb (once or twice a day) for about a year now she doesn't at all because she realized she never even liked it!  So weird! This was very surprising to me because sometimes i think people judge their marijuana experiences off of indica use, when they really need sativa. But this girl smoked incredible herb. She said her heart bothered her when she did, and she always felt awkward. For years I was a heavy marijuana smoker and the only negative things I could say about it would be
1. not as social because i was so ripped all the time lol
2. small weight gain from munchies
3. loss of motivation
4. contradicts the idea of meditation by giving instant gratification

But otherwise the idea of never smoking weed again is BEYOND me. It seems so far out there like, WHY????

i was forced to stop smoking and tripping without it is.. very different. I will not eat shrooms until I can smoke again after the last time I ate a quarter and without it i went to a very very bad place (thought friends i had known for years were strangers, and didn't know who i was). the mushrooms were too strong to eat that many and everyone went into a bad place until they smoked and they felt just fine.  Where as LSD without pot does not change the trip in full, only the end part where you kinda need to just smoke a bowl to come down without the complete ego loss (in my opinion).

I am with you when you say you feel enlightened, but everyones different I guess. I think its all about control of emotion.


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: spiralingmind]
    #11212559 - 10/09/09 03:00 AM (8 years, 15 days ago)

its not that i dont like to smoke pot, i'm just not that into it.  i used to be but depending on the type of weed the way it effects me varies.  usually when i smoke (maybe once or twice a month max) its whatever someone else has and either i geek out and laugh for no reason or i get super relaxed and tired. either way though, i'll end up drinking about 4 liters of mountain dew (damn cotton mouth) and i'll raid the shit out of the fridge and wake up the next morning and not have anything in there for breakfast lol.  to me pot has its times and places (dont get me wrong here, i am by no means anti marijuana), like when i go to white castle because its a 2 hour drive to the closest one, i prefer to have someone else drive while me and a few friends smoke some pot to enhance the enjoyment of sliders lol.  anyway i guess what i'm saying is that i prefer other drugs over pot because of how i feel, when i trip, i always have fun, when i smoke pot, i have fun but not to the extent i do with shrooms.  i honestly prefer perscription drugs over both pot and shrooms, the high i get from pain killers (vikes, perks, oc's, etc.) is like increased awareness and a lot of energy, they motivate me to do stuff, i also do not snort them or anything like that, i just swallow them.


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: latherdome]
    #11214555 - 10/09/09 01:01 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

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otherwhitemeat said:
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drr said:I guess what I don't understand, is, if smoking a little pot makes you feel dumb, doesn't a psychedelic make you feel even more dumb?




No. Pot seems to constrict my awareness and massively disrupt the continuity of my thought processes. Sometime after the nth time trying to complete the simplest thought, such as "where am..." "where..." "where am..." "whe..." "am?" "w" "where am i?" and not having the faintest fucking clue, i start to resent that my brain seems to have gotten packed with peanut butter, and am i wearing pants? and is this supposed to be fun? and so on i get paranoid. everybody knows how fucked up i am. they know. it's obvious. they pity me, the retard. why did i do this? and the time dilation just makes me depressed that i'll be stuck in retard-land for what will feel like forever.

Next day: I still feel dumb. Cloudy headed. Spacey. Doesn't work for me. Meanwhile, I've never experienced any of the pleasant sensations others report with pot. Nothing's funny, except perhaps me, but as the butt of a mean joke. Anything but relaxed. Maybe a twinge of sexual arousal, like getting groped: uncomfortable because it's not going anywhere.

Shrooms on the other hand: lucidity. Accelerated thought processes, with great leaps and long, long trains of connection. Gentle humor, euphoria, emotional release, love, peace, joy, orgasmic body high, waves of warm light radiating from my sacrum throughout my body, time stops, tears flow, i prostrate myself in gratitude, all one... next day: huge mood boost, clear thoughts, clear priorities.

For me, they're just not even remotely comparable or compatible drugs.



Very interesting. It is these same reasons - extreme time dilation, confusion, major disruption in the continuity of my thought process and social awkwardness - that I chose to stop using mushrooms for a long while, and dropped acid instead. I still feel this way about mushrooms - overall the experience is very confusing and makes it impossible to think. However I am over my fear and I am ready to experiment with them again when the opportunity arises.

Also interesting is that I experience none to very little time dilation when I smoke marijuana. In fact it may even make the time pass a little faster, just because I love being high. This may be due to my state of tolerance; I remember getting much higher before I smoked this often. But still nothing that would make me unable to function in the day to day. I guess we're just entirely different types of minds.


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: drr]
    #11214762 - 10/09/09 01:41 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

Im finding set and setting is actually having a significant effect with my marijuana highs.  I no longer smoke in social situations like parties because of this.  In fact ive cut my mj consumption down to 1-2 a week compared to everyday 2-3 times a day, this results in bringing the "magic" back.
I smoked on the comeup of my last acid trip and it caused alot of anxiety and overall a bum trip, from now on I wont smoke while tripping unless I really feel like it(was just smoking for the hell of it)


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: mantis90]
    #11215219 - 10/09/09 02:53 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

I love my marijuana, and to me it is like a mini-psychedelic, except one we can indulge and enjoy throughout our day to enhance our lives, not something we have to spend 8 hours in isolation doing.

The only problems to me is that it can cause weight gain because of mad munchies, but you can learn to control yourself if you have the will, even if you are stoned.
And my tolerance was getting too high because I was becoming an everday smoker, so now I only smoke 2 or 3 days a week. Usually on the weekends, and the other 5-4 days are completely sober. 5-4 days is more than enough to lower tolerance, especially if you just aren't have any of it at all.

Marijuana increases my awareness and mental train of thought...


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: mantis90]
    #11215223 - 10/09/09 02:54 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)



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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: emeraldlife88]
    #11215251 - 10/09/09 02:57 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

Oh, too add to that whole thing about alcohol instead of marijuana. I have gotten drunk, but I don't like to a lot, and I also know a few people who'd rather drink than smoke. I like being drunk, but it is nothing compared to being high to me.

The only plus about drinking is your inhibitions shoot down to a comfortable level in most social situations, as long as you are not with people that you are completely opposed to, and even then your inhibitions can totally disappear. While weed makes my inhibitions drop with close friends, when I am with a group, they seem to rise now and then, if I am not comfortable with the people at all.

But the reason I negate drinking to smoking is because drinking just makes me too dumb. There is no incredible thought process that you get, or a love of music and a mixture of colors and appreciation of the universe. You just become a dumb party animal with no inhibitions and then want to sleep. My favorite part of being drunk is actually when I am mad tired and like half asleep and awake...that is the closest part of the psychedelic experience of a drunk


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: drr]
    #11215418 - 10/09/09 03:21 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

I can smoke sooo much weed normally, but honestly when tripping I have to be careful.

While on acid after STS9 this summer I took a massive rip off my friends Zob Wubbler (which is a completely dangerous piece of smoking technology) and it sent what had been a perfect acid trip into a state of complete retardedness for like an hour.  I was in a bad place.  When I'm tripping I like to have a coherent narrative for my thoughts and weed definitely interrupts that.  I actually want to get better at smoking while tripping because it makes the visuals way crazier and thats always fun.


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: g00ru]
    #11215690 - 10/09/09 04:03 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

Marijuana makes my thoughts very cloudy, and often times I can become paranoid for no reason.

Psychedelics distort my perception of reality a great deal more than weed, but my thoughts still feel a lot clearer.

Weed basically puts me in a zombiefied haze, where psychedelics allow me to break out into a place where i'm living life second to second while feeling very clean and pure. It's hard to explain...

I do love weed though, this is more my reason for liking psychedelics better.


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: Subconscious]
    #11215905 - 10/09/09 04:38 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

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Marijuana makes my thoughts very cloudy, and often times I can become paranoid for no reason.

Psychedelics distort my perception of reality a great deal more than weed, but my thoughts still feel a lot clearer.

Weed basically puts me in a zombiefied haze, where psychedelics allow me to break out into a place where i'm living life second to second while feeling very clean and pure. It's hard to explain...

I do love weed though, this is more my reason for liking psychedelics better.




^ Sounds like you've been primarily smoking indica dominant strains. Sativas are a whole different world.


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: skippyluvs]
    #11216454 - 10/09/09 06:21 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

Here's the way I see it. Mary Jane is quite possibly one of the best things on this earth. It makes you feel great, it totally changes your perspective on everything, it makes food taste amazing and you feel great for the rest of the day. Now I don't smoke everyday but there's a few reasons for that. Sometimes I just can't get my hands on some so I just forget about it, but I know that if i smoke it everyday it loses its magic and makes me very unproductive in terms of physical exercise. **But to the people who say they get paranoid, I ask why? You guys say, "I'm afraid of what people will think of me" Nobody knows you're high unless you act like you are. I can do everything sober while high, I can talk to people high, read while high, drive while high. If you don't like Mary Jane there's something wrong with you. You need to just relax and enjoy it. When I'm extremely stoned in public with my brother we pretend we are jedis because we're on such a different level than everybody else and they don't even know it.


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Re: Questions for trippers who don't like to smoke pot [Re: slit]
    #11216641 - 10/09/09 07:05 PM (8 years, 14 days ago)

this whole thread is just tripping me out and the thought that the same drug can have so many different effects depending on the person

does any1 else just find that mind blowing? this seems to apply for every drug too, to each his own


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