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This IMO would be self importance
    #11199951 - 10/07/09 11:27 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

To believe that ones personal belief system is the correct one.

Look at the virtually millions of beliefs about the meaning of life. None exactly alike and some totally dissimilar. Why would yours be the correct one and most or all others incorrect? And look at how your own beliefs change over time. Why are they now correct?

Personally I don't have a clue if there is a meaning to life. I don't know what the truth is.

This just seems logical to me.


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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Icelander]
    #11199991 - 10/07/09 11:33 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Would this include agnostics and atheists?

I don't think there is one correct belief system. There are systems developed to navigate reality. IMO they are all just models. Each person works within the model they feel the most attuned to.

Everyone talks about and lives in their own model. To push your model on others would be foolish.

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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11200003 - 10/07/09 11:35 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I agree.

It includes athiests but agnostics claim not to know.:shrug:


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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Icelander]
    #11200033 - 10/07/09 11:41 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

No comment.

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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11200052 - 10/07/09 11:45 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for sharing.:tongue:


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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Icelander]
    #11200083 - 10/07/09 11:50 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I am trying this new "be nice" thing. How is it going?

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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11200091 - 10/07/09 11:51 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

it's really not you


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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Icelander]
    #11200100 - 10/07/09 11:52 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I agree.

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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Band of Gypsys]
    #11200114 - 10/07/09 11:55 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Wouldn't it be better and more fun and less phoney to just be what and who you are?


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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Icelander]
    #11200223 - 10/07/09 12:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Wouldn't it be better and more fun and less phoney to just be what and who you are?



I don't see with-holding an insult as being phoney. I call it self improvement. I want to act and not re-act.

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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Icelander]
    #11200274 - 10/07/09 12:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

To believe that ones personal belief system is the correct one.




I am not sure about mine, but I know damn well yours is wrong! :wink:


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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Icelander]
    #11200338 - 10/07/09 12:34 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Because you are a logical positivist.

Of course there is a truth. There cannot not be a truth, can there? So whatever it is, that's what it must be. Perhaps we have to make life meaningful by the way we live it. Is it unlikely that we could make life meaningless? You could live and just waste this life or you could find what make sit meaningful. Everyone can tell you that but only we ourself can find out what exactly it is for ourself.

Over.

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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Icelander]
    #11200374 - 10/07/09 12:39 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The Truth can not be held in any beleif system

Although say 'Truth' & most will already have so many ideas & beleifs about what it is...

Ultimately 'Truth' can not be a mere idea or beleif system, if its really Truth then how could it depend on any beleif? It can only depend on itself

For me, for something to be considered it true it must be permanent

So the Truth, simply is, and there is never a time when it is not

:peace:


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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Chronic7]
    #11200416 - 10/07/09 12:45 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

That which is true, must have an aesthetic value.

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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Chronic7]
    #11200430 - 10/07/09 12:48 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

So at least there is a truth.

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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Fraggin]
    #11200438 - 10/07/09 12:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

For me, for something to be considered it true it must be permanent

So the Truth, simply is, and there is never a time when it is not

This makes sense.


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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Ahimsa]
    #11200440 - 10/07/09 12:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Because you are a logical positivist.

Of course there is a truth. There cannot not be a truth, can there? So whatever it is, that's what it must be. Perhaps we have to make life meaningful by the way we live it. Is it unlikely that we could make life meaningless? You could live and just waste this life or you could find what make sit meaningful. Everyone can tell you that but only we ourself can find out what exactly it is for ourself.

Over.



Whoa.  You gonna let him call you a "logical positivist"?

That just ain't friendly padna I am neither logical or positive.

NOW DRAW!


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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #11200647 - 10/07/09 01:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Crayons at ten paces.


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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: Icelander]
    #11200717 - 10/07/09 01:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Are you saying self importance is a bad thing, or just that it is a thing which is marked by how much we think our beliefs are "really" true?

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Re: This IMO would be self importance [Re: xFrockx]
    #11200859 - 10/07/09 01:59 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

After dealing with Icelander for the past few months on the forums, I don't think any of my beliefs are true anymore. I'm just a shell of a man.

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