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OfflineTheo Nanacatl
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Giveaways and ratings...
    #11192457 - 10/06/09 11:20 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I notice a lot of members are giving away prints to get trade ratings so they may access the Marketplace. However, it seems that just giving away prints (as noble as that is) really only entitles you to a good general rating. Trades require an exchange of items...trade rates are a special animal, and are the only way (in my opinion) to quantify the real long-term "trustworthyness" of a member.

I only mention this to remind people that they should ask something in return, however minimal, to make it a real trade. I appreciate every single member who gives away prints, materials, or even knowledge.

If I'm out of line on this, mods, please delete this. I just see this as a potential for problems in the ratings as we are asked when giving trade rates to be truthful and accurate in when posting them.


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: Theo Nanacatl]
    #11192489 - 10/06/09 11:26 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

i disagree.


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: prismism]
    #11192498 - 10/06/09 11:28 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Same here.  How is the person to get a trade rating with out one, but to do a giveaway?


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: truskool]
    #11192502 - 10/06/09 11:29 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

If trusworthy = trade rate
and free spores in the mail = foundation of trust

then why cant free spores = +5 trade rate?


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: prismism]
    #11192503 - 10/06/09 11:30 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

dude if your trading for the simple fact to boost your rating how does that qualify you as "trustworthy" ??? I trade because I like to pitch and catch... just kidding I'm half drunk ... But for real do it for some other reason then that...


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: prismism]
    #11192508 - 10/06/09 11:32 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I guess I am just asking for the mods to decide whether giveaways qualify one to recieve a trade rate. If it is fine with the mods, then I am all for it. It just seems that with the number of people wanting access to the Marketplace that a clarification of this point would be in order...

I know some will disagree with my original post, and that's cool...I just feel it needs to be clarified to allow a more honest and reliable trade rate posting.


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: prismism]
    #11192512 - 10/06/09 11:33 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I disagree too.  A trade rating shows they are good for their word, sends things out fast, and send out what they say they would.  Pretty much showing you can trust the person that they will send what they told you and fast.

I think you get that in both full trades and giveaways.  IMO, you are almost promoting selfishness, in where you should not do something unless you get something back.  So I disagree


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: RyeH]
    #11192517 - 10/06/09 11:35 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

and anyways a print for a rating sounds like a trade to me!:shrug:


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: RyeH]
    #11192518 - 10/06/09 11:35 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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RyeH said:
I disagree too.  A trade rating shows they are good for their word, sends things out fast, and send out what they say they would.  Pretty much showing you can trust the person that they will send what they told you and fast.

I think you get that in both full trades and giveaways.  IMO, you are almost promoting selfishness, in where you should not do something unless you get something back.  So I disagree



BOOM... my point exactly, and yes that was a YELL...


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: RyeH]
    #11192522 - 10/06/09 11:36 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Agree that you are trading a free print for nothing, and that's a trade.
But it should be a good print to get a good rating. I've had to stop taking part in trading with newbies for this reason- they all want +5:mushroom2: for the crappiest little print with no effort or art behind it.


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: RyeH]
    #11192524 - 10/06/09 11:36 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

well a giveaway shouldnt really come with a hook "bump my rating" that kinda makes is selfish anyways, let people give you +5 on their own accord instead of demanding it for the spores...? maybe?


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: Chasawah]
    #11192536 - 10/06/09 11:39 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

could make a simple rule, no using Rating as a catch for a giveaway or contests... that way your forced to actualy give it away instead of pulling rating out of it....


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: Doc_T]
    #11192539 - 10/06/09 11:40 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Doc_T said:
Agree that you are trading a free print for nothing, and that's a trade.
But it should be a good print to get a good rating. I've had to stop taking part in trading with newbies for this reason- they all want +5:mushroom2: for the crappiest little print with no effort or art behind it.




I agree 100%!  It will have to be a good print before I give a good rating. 

But thats why there is 1-5.  give rating of 3 for good fast shipping and it being a print, but take off two for a shit print, and vise virsa.


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: RyeH]
    #11192545 - 10/06/09 11:41 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

yeah trade for the Karma...


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: RyeH]
    #11192546 - 10/06/09 11:42 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

No, I'm not promoting anything, I just think a clarification would be in order. I would be more than happy to give trade rates for giveaways. If the mods allow for it then let's make it clear...I would be giving more good trade rates in that case. When I recieve a freebie, I give a 5 shroom general rating. If the generous member should receive a trade rate, then I should be modifying those general rates to make them trade rates.

This was not meant to stir up the populace...I have given away tons of stuff but do not expect any rates. I do think that if it is allowable to give a trade rate for giveaways that I owe a bunch of people a correction in their rates. I want to be able to give due credit to those that make contributions.

I just ask for the mods to say if it is OK to give a trade rate for a giveaway, I'm not knocking those that want the rating.


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: RyeH]
    #11192564 - 10/06/09 11:47 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

But thats why there is 1-5.  give rating of 3 for good fast shipping and it being a print, but take off two for a shit print, and vise virsa.



That's true but giving a 3-shroom rating would be more traumatic than not giving one, I think.

Agreed on the basic point- if it's a giveaway, then it's ok in Mush Cult. But if you ask for something in return, it's a trade and belongs in teh Marketplace.
Recipients are of course free to give ratings without being asked.


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: Doc_T]
    #11192584 - 10/06/09 11:52 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry to have touched off such a furor...unless a mod rules otherwise, the consensus seems to be that giveaways qualify for a trade rate. In that case, I will go with that concept. I owe a few of you trade rates instead of the generals I have given. If I owe you one, PM me and I will try to make it right with you.


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: Theo Nanacatl]
    #11192593 - 10/06/09 11:55 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think you owe anybody anything.


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: Theo Nanacatl]
    #11192600 - 10/06/09 11:58 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

You gotta get ur trade rate up somehow right?

If its really that important then there needs to be a way for people currently without it or with low amounts of it to get it, ie giveaway.

I still dont think it should be required of somone in a giveaway, maybe inferred... but not required.


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Re: Giveaways and ratings... [Re: Theo Nanacatl]
    #11192603 - 10/06/09 11:58 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

i am pretty sure alot of the people that give giveaways here at the shroomery are big hearted and generous.
your point is invalid because they could get trade ratings by trading and most of the people that give to the community already have excellent trade ratings.


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