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 HerbBaker
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 Bluing Galerina? Nope, Psilocybe caerulipes. 
#11187637 - 10/05/09 03:15 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edited by HerbBaker (10/06/09 01:17 PM)
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 thelaughingman
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Re: Bluing Galerina ? [Re: HerbBaker]
#11187679 - 10/05/09 03:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Did you print any of them?
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Twiztidsage
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Is it blue or just dark? It is kind of hard for me to tell....
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World Spirit
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Re: Bluing Galerina ? [Re: HerbBaker]
#11187710 - 10/05/09 03:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hmmmmmmm interesting 
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thelaughingman
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Thats what i was thinkin. If it is blue, maybe its not galerina but a new variety of psilocybe 
Or just some weird galerinas.
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Hmmmmmmm interesting
crazy, does it smell like some sort of psilocybe or different altogether?
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northgahunt
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Wow, great looking pics. Could these be Galerina steglichii? If so, wouldn't these be rare and contain Psilocybin? These would be the bluest staining I seen in any pics.
DannyGlick may know more about these.
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mycoelf
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Galerina autumintallis no doubt, The pic with the blueish cap looks like lower fungi contam for sure, the pic 2nd to last with the "blue stem looks like spores landed, gallerina having rusty brown for without doubt. There is a test for indole alkaloids in the field guide (Audubon),
Take a print and don't be confused by the browning reaction in gallerina, many people have died thinking that they found active mushrooms later to find out in a bad way.
Psilocybe blue is bright blue, like electric blue on white flesh ranging to a really dark blue in high potency species. (Azurecens) There is also a distinct SMELL to psilocin containing species, I believe this is common in cubies, but there is also a common scent note with other high potency, that makes me think that psilocin has a scent.
Bottom line do not eat, take a print, do some taxonomy.
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northgahunt
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Re: Bluing Galerina ? [Re: mycoelf]
#11187947 - 10/05/09 04:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
mycoelf said:
Galerina autumintallis no doubt, The pic with the blueish cap looks like lower fungi contam for sure, the pic 2nd to last with the "blue stem looks like spores landed, gallerina having rusty brown for without doubt. There is a test for indole alkaloids in the field guide (Audubon),
Take a print and don't be confused by the browning reaction in gallerina, many people have died thinking that they found active mushrooms later to find out in a bad way.
Psilocybe blue is bright blue, like electric blue on white flesh ranging to a really dark blue in high potency species. (Azurecens) There is also a distinct SMELL to psilocin containing species, I believe this is common in cubies, but there is also a common scent note with other high potency, that makes me think that psilocin has a scent.
Bottom line do not eat, take a print, do some taxonomy.
Peace
Mycoelf
I have had weilii bruise pretty close to this same color. Maybe warriorsoul will post a print. Is Galerina autumintallis known to bruise this color?
Pic of the weilii I picked a couple days ago for color comparison. Blue doesn't show as well in pic.
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Re: Bluing Galerina ? [Re: HerbBaker]
#11188682 - 10/05/09 05:29 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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That looks to be Galerina steglichii to me and the bluing not from mold growth. Very close to this German collection.
http://mushroomobserver.org/22405?_js=on&_new=true&id=22405
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Re: Bluing Galerina ? [Re: Workman]
#11189021 - 10/05/09 06:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow! Kinda scary how the bruising mimics psilocybe on the stem and perfectly along the margin...
That's definitely a noob killer. 
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lqdtrance
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cool finds man!!
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inski
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It is actually psilocybin bruising, I'm not sure what other toxins are present though!
inski..
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World Spirit
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Re: Bluing Galerina ? [Re: inski]
#11189080 - 10/05/09 06:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd like to read the literature you've just referenced.
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inski
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I read it here among many other places.
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Galerina
There is a published paper on the chemical analysis of this species also.
Gartz, J. 1995. Cultivation and analysis of Psilocybe species and an investigation of Galerina steglichii. Annali dei Musei Civici--Roverto vol. 10:297-306. Dated 10/1994.
inski.
Edited by inski (10/05/09 06:36 PM)
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World Spirit
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Re: Bluing Galerina ? [Re: inski]
#11189150 - 10/05/09 06:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I learned something new today. Thanks.
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inski
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Your welcome, it is understandable when you learn that the two genera, Psilocybe and Galerina are sister clades.
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Edited by inski (10/05/09 06:43 PM)
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northgahunt
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Re: Bluing Galerina ? [Re: Workman]
#11189410 - 10/05/09 07:16 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Workman said:
That looks to be Galerina steglichii to me and the bluing not from mold growth. Very close to this German collection.
http://mushroomobserver.org/22405?_js=on&_new=true&id=22405
Any idea where these were found and if Galerina steglichii are known to grow there. If it turns out to be Galerina steglichii, this will be an incredible find. I certainly hope warriorsoul gets a positive id.
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Magick
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It does not surprise me much that there are species of galerina with psilocybin. Look at the structure of both psilocin/psilocybin and the amatoxins. They both have indole at their center! This is because both groups of compounds are created from the enzymatic metabolism of tryptophan.
I think that the only difference between galerinas and psilocybes are a few key-enzymes which have evolved from a couple decades/centuries of evolution. Likewise it would not surprise me to learn that amanitas are also, on a genetic level, similar to galerinas and psilocybes. My theory is that amanitas probably came first and throughout evolution the galerinas and other smaller mushrooms (which still contain the same enzymes required to make amatoxins) began evolving. Perhaps the psilocybes actually evolved from galerina sp. or the like, and just don't use those particular enzymes anymore.
However it could've gone the other way around too, wherein amanitas/galerinas evolved from psilocybes as protection from predators (like ourselves =p) The reason I think it's the other way around though is because amatoxins actually have the majority of the tryptophan structure intact - differing only by having an amide group (with a good number of substituents) rather than a carboxylic acid group.
But that's only a theory  Hm, I'd like to find others who may know more about the genetics of mushrooms who have input on this idea.
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DannyGlick
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northgahunt said:
DannyGlick may know more about these.
No I don't, but I think I agree that they could be Galerina steglichii.
I'm a little jealous of Herb right now. Cool finds soul.
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