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Invisibledr_gonz

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God set Adam and Eve up for failure
    #11187426 - 10/05/09 04:36 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

If he created them from his "perfect" image than they too would clearly have been "perfect." How could anyone "perfect" make anything less than a "perfect" decision?

You say "free will"? Again, wouldn't the "free will" of a creation stemming from a perfect entity only act in ways of perfection?

The truth is - the christian "god" is an ego maniac, and he never wanted them to stay in his garden.

I hate fairy tales.


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11187436 - 10/05/09 04:38 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

I need proof of god before I can tackle what it has supposed to have done.:tongue:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: Icelander]
    #11187447 - 10/05/09 04:38 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

god created the universe in one day.


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: Icelander]
    #11187461 - 10/05/09 04:42 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
I need proof of god before I can tackle what it has supposed to have done.:tongue:




This


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People say that what we're all seeking is a meaning for life. I don't
think that's what we're really seeking. I think what we're seeking is an
experience of being alive, so that our life experiences on the purely
physical plane will have resonances within our own innermost being and
reality, so we can actually feel the rapture of being alive.:flowerchild:


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: livelovelaugho9]
    #11187471 - 10/05/09 04:43 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

Do they use cookie cutters for you guys?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: Icelander]
    #11187520 - 10/05/09 04:53 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

Give children everything and tell them they cant have one thing. for that one thing will make them grow up, that piece of knowlage will make them wise, no longer children, know right from wrong, That would seem like a super power to those who lack it. 
Why would anyone fear "Death" before death even existed? it's just a word, like finality, end, stop. a sound bite.
God said it's bad? well, god also avoided giving his children the understanding of good and bad until after the fact...... soooooo, I'd say we were set up :smile:


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: Icelander]
    #11187529 - 10/05/09 04:55 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

Yea one like you use to make gingerbread men


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People say that what we're all seeking is a meaning for life. I don't
think that's what we're really seeking. I think what we're seeking is an
experience of being alive, so that our life experiences on the purely
physical plane will have resonances within our own innermost being and
reality, so we can actually feel the rapture of being alive.:flowerchild:


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: Mitchnast]
    #11187534 - 10/05/09 04:56 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

What god??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: Icelander]
    #11187592 - 10/05/09 05:06 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

the one christians believe in, in the biblical sense, usually new testiment.


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: Mitchnast]
    #11187612 - 10/05/09 05:11 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

Oh, didn't they tell you, he doesn't exist.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: Icelander]
    #11187727 - 10/05/09 05:30 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

the term "hypothetical" can also be used to describe a quality that does not nessisarily exist, but can still be discussed.

For example, You are the only one here actually calling for a dispute on the existance of god.

Personally, my angle on this is hypothetical, I'm neither infering, nor denying existance of anything, merely commenting logically (and sarcastically) on the meaning of a mythical fable.

God does not need to exist for me to do that.  So I wonder why you would persist that god doesn't exist, I do not think anyone here tried to express that god exists, or that they believe he does, so, you're a little off topic.  I'm not disputing your claim, but I just don't feel it is relivant.


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11187906 - 10/05/09 05:54 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

They ate from the tree of knowledge, yet millennia after this mythological event, we still have much to learn.


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: Mitchnast]
    #11187960 - 10/05/09 06:02 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

"hypothetical"

Then state it. Otherwise I must assume one means what they say. "Without order there is chaos":whoa:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: Icelander]
    #11188025 - 10/05/09 06:13 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

can we focus on the logic (or lack thereof) of the original post?


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11188207 - 10/05/09 06:39 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

well to me it's lack of logic because you are treating a fairy tale as if it really happened and is the cause of your distress.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: Icelander]
    #11188217 - 10/05/09 06:41 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

it's not distress.


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11188246 - 10/05/09 06:45 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

There is no logic to the story.  God knows everything.  He knew exactly what they would do in the garden when presented with that situation.  Then he punishes them for doing what he always knew they would do.


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11188262 - 10/05/09 06:48 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

dr_gonz said:
it's not distress.




I just thought...the christian "god" is an ego maniac, and he never wanted them to stay in his garden.

I hate fairy tales.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: joemolloy]
    #11188266 - 10/05/09 06:48 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

how was that fair?


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Re: God set Adam and Even up for failure [Re: dr_gonz]
    #11188417 - 10/05/09 07:00 PM (8 years, 19 days ago)

I dig the OP... its a pretty basic idea really... I dont get theologians which try to explain away the original sin as if god can really be vindicated in judging us... like he is just or something.

Either its all a bullshit lie (seems more plausible) or god has in all reality predetermined everything and that the rebellion of adamn and eve (and really lucifers rebellion) is something he shouldnt really judge because he let it happen. But if he is judging its because he is a crazy guy who is punishing us for doing things preset in possibility outside of our nature. Pretty harsh eh?


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