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 Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened?  [Re: Icelander]
#11185467 - 10/05/09 08:04 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
That the only meaning they will ever know is self created and based in some level of ignorance. That that meaning is useful if it works to bring joy and happiness to their exerience. That whatever they choose is really unimportant outside of that. In a nutshell.
I've been waiting a long time to hear something like this come from you.
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Icelander]
#11185468 - 10/05/09 08:04 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Unfortunately your ideas of enlightenment are misguided but at least you are trying for something.
'Trying'!?
The whole point of realizing the Infinite is that it is effortless
Enlightenment is to realize the Infinite, realizing you are an animal is realizing you are an animal.
Although realizing the transiency of animal existence can have a taste of enlightenment it is still realizing the nature of the finite, not the Infinite
To say the Infinite is not knowable through the animal, is purely the ignorance of the animal speaking...
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
#11185476 - 10/05/09 08:06 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well then this is your lucky day. The day you paid attention to what I have been saying here for years.
I hope the rest of your day is smooth as silk.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Chronic7]
#11185485 - 10/05/09 08:08 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said:
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Icelander said:
Unfortunately your ideas of enlightenment are misguided but at least you are trying for something.
'Trying'!?
The whole point of realizing the Infinite is that it is effortless
Enlightenment is to realize the Infinite, realizing you are an animal, is realizing you are an animal.
Although realizing the transiency of animal existence can have a taste of enlightenment, but its just a taster... it is still realzing the nature of the finite, not the Infinite
I have to call bullshit on your nonsense once again. But keep it up and one day when you are older and wiser enlightenment just might creep up on you and break through your fears of looking at what you are.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Icelander]
#11185528 - 10/05/09 08:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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By your statements & attitude, old age is equal to wisdom, of course us young shroomerites wont understand until we're 50 & having a mid life crisis 
Thats the real BS here...putting truth realization at the end of a long process...for example at the end of a lifetime
It seems you can't stand the fact that perhaps someone half your age could realize the highest truth
Im sure when im older ill see people realizing it at half my current age & feel kinda pissed, like i wasted time...at least i see it & can admit it though...
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when you are older and wiser enlightenment just might creep up on you and break through your fears of looking at what you are.
 all i talk about is looking at Who I Am
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Icelander]
#11185535 - 10/05/09 08:22 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, if I find meaning, no matter how whimsical it is fundamentally, as long as it brings joy and happiness to my existence, then it is a useful meaning?
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
#11185546 - 10/05/09 08:24 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened?
The ego is the only obstacle. Every one's ego has its own behavior, so everyone's obstacles are different.
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Chronic7]
#11185578 - 10/05/09 08:33 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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It seems you can't stand the fact that perhaps someone half your age could realize the highest truth
Yeah ya got me, I can't stand the fact that you've realized the "highest truth".
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
#11185591 - 10/05/09 08:36 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Fraggin said:
So, if I find meaning, no matter how whimsical it is fundamentally, as long as it brings joy and happiness to my existence, then it is a useful meaning?
What other thing would be better for someone who will die and have only a short time to experience life.
Hedonism is the only thing that makes even the smallest sense to me. Real hedonism. If you don't really understand this term you can search it out. Check out Epicurus.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Icelander]
#11185614 - 10/05/09 08:44 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you truly believe this, then why are you harsh on those that convey their ideas and meanings? Is it because they present "their" meaning and project it onto others as "fact" or is it because they are wrong altogether?
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
#11185676 - 10/05/09 09:03 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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No one is wrong. Or how could we know whos wrong if we don't know what is right?
meaning and project it onto others as "fact"
This is the kind of human behavior I abhor. (I'm guilty of it also) It's the cause of much misery in the world. It was the cause of much of the abusive dysfunctionalism of my own childhood. 
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Icelander]
#11185727 - 10/05/09 09:19 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok. So, if I said:
"When I am in meditation class, and I'm sitting there, completely still and quiet, I can sometimes feel the vibrational energy of those around me. I use this opportunity to try to visualize that I'm sending out loving and healing vibrations back to those around me. I have a feeling that it's very real."
Seeing that I said it in a manner which shows how delusional I am, instead of trying to get others to buy into my delusion, and that it obviously gives me some kind of meaning, what would you say to something like that?
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
#11185757 - 10/05/09 09:26 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well if they post it here I would debate it. I'd ask for some evidence outside of their personal experience that I might examine in some way.
I mean, why are they posting it here if they don't want to debate it? We're not over in Mysticism & the Paranormal and if they just want to share or only want confirmation they can go there. I just started a thread on this very subject.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Fraggin]
#11186511 - 10/05/09 11:59 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Habit.
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Icelander]
#11186614 - 10/05/09 12:14 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well if they post it here I would debate it. I'd ask for some evidence outside of their personal experience that I might examine in some way.
I mean, why are they posting it here if they don't want to debate it? We're not over in Mysticism & the Paranormal and if they just want to share or only want confirmation they can go there. I just started a thread on this very subject.
There is no proof outside of personal experience. Does this mean it can't be debated?
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
#11186667 - 10/05/09 12:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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It can't be debated effectively no. That's why that other forum was created.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Icelander]
#11186787 - 10/05/09 12:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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to be honest i'd post there more as what i talk about is really 'demystifying mysticism' but that forum is just dead... i don't come here to have no discussion at all!
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Chronic7]
#11186794 - 10/05/09 12:43 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why do you think it's dead?
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Icelander]
#11186924 - 10/05/09 01:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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philosophy - 8 viewing
mysticism - 3 viewing
plus i dont mind being challenge,d its challenging!
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Re: What's the biggest obstacle to becoming awakened? [Re: Icelander]
#11187113 - 10/05/09 01:36 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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It can't be debated effectively no. That's why that other forum was created.
Philosophy isn't really proof based. It seems more like opinion.
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