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Re: 2nd Project, 2nd failure (PICS) [Re: dancefloordale]
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dancefloordale said:
I am actually going to recommend this tek. I have not seen it until now but it is right on the money and I do pretty much everything it says. Way to go FeelFamily!

Feel Family WBS tek

I usually use Doc's WBS Tek though.

Doc's WBS tek

Either way, I think you will get great results.

pftek said:
Fuck soaking. Boil water. shut off stove. Add wbs. Cover for 20 minutes. Immediately pour into strainer and rinse it. Let it strain for a couple hours. Place into jars.


This is bad advice.


this.


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Re: 2nd Project, 2nd failure (PICS) [Re: pftek]
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ahh, because there is minimal rinsing involved. soaking helps with moisture content and contams.


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Re: 2nd Project, 2nd failure (PICS) [Re: pftek]
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WBS works splendidly.

I've never really soaked either, the hot water soak did the job. :thumbup:

Although, I think I rinsed before and after the soak.


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Re: 2nd Project, 2nd failure (PICS) [Re: dancefloordale]
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dancefloordale said:
ahh, because there is minimal rinsing involved. soaking helps with moisture content and contams.


incorrect. you're just repeating an old wives tale. this was popular to do back like 2 years ago. and for some reason it just doesn't seem to go away because people like you just keep repeating misinformation without actually EXPERIMENTING and trying different methods. I've done all the teks listed above, have you? There is no reason to "germinate endospores" or to soak for 1-2 days to get the right water content.



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Re: 2nd Project, 2nd failure (PICS) [Re: mushroomhunter10]
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mushroomhunter10 said:
WBS works splendidly.

I've never really soaked either, the hot water soak did the job. :thumbup:

Although, I think I rinsed before and after the soak.


yea, i do a rinse before and after as well. i'm still deciding if it's beneficial to rinse afterward. If i don't - it dries faster (cause of the steam). If I do, I can cool the seeds from the soak and cause fewer splits. But it doesn't really make any difference to my knowledge yet.


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Re: 2nd Project, 2nd failure (PICS) [Re: pftek]
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I appreciate you assuming that I have not experimented, but you are flat out wrong. This coming from the guy who has made "advances" in drying techniques? If you are just here to make accusations without any knowledge of my situation, sorry but shut the fuck up.


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Re: 2nd Project, 2nd failure (PICS) [Re: dancefloordale]
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Well, just for comparison this is my regular WBS tek:

But WBS in pot with a lot of water

Bring to boil

reduce heat to simmer for 30min

drain, rinse with warm water, let finish draining for 15min.

Put in Jars keeping in mind grains will expand another 1/4 of volume.

Put coffee filter over mouth of jar and stuff some polyfill in there.

Put lid on up side down (my lids have three 1/8 inch holes drilled in them), screw down ring.

Let jars sit for 12-24 hours.

Cover jars with foil, then PC (mine only goes to 13psi, so I cook for 75min, time properly adjusted, 60min at 15psi is standard autoclaving procedure)

Take jars out, shake up (helps disperse heat) then let sit till warm to touch and shake again.  Label jar as "PC" and let sit till room temp.

If start in the morning you can have ready jars the next day.
I have had no failures or contamination yet. Only 1 delayed germination due to a crappy inoculation from someone I was teaching because they forgot to shake the syringe. (knocks on a mushroom inhabited hunk of wood).


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Re: 2nd Project, 2nd failure (PICS) [Re: dancefloordale]
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dancefloordale said:
I appreciate you assuming that I have not experimented, but you are flat out wrong. This coming from the guy who has made "advances" in drying techniques? If you are just here to make accusations without any knowledge of my situation, sorry but shut the fuck up.


Lol, you're the one espousing misguided information. You're propagating these old wives tales so obviously you have no idea what you are talking about - you don't need me to tell you that.

Calm down buddy. Stop getting defensive. We're all here to learn but to come on this board and incorrectly state rubbish is helping no one.


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Re: 2nd Project, 2nd failure (PICS) [Re: pftek]
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thanks for all the input guys. im going to start my new project next weekend. same project except i wont do any fancy soak, which imo is what bunked my project. im going to do Foo's method and see how it goes. it will be my 3rd attempt at all this, i hope it works out well.

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Re: 2nd Project, 2nd failure (PICS) [Re: dancefloordale]
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dancefloordale said:
I appreciate you assuming that I have not experimented, but you are flat out wrong. This coming from the guy who has made "advances" in drying techniques? If you are just here to make accusations without any knowledge of my situation, sorry but shut the fuck up.



What part of that statement did you not understand? I have in fact done my own experiments and these are the conclusions I came to. End of story. I'm not going to argue this point with you anymore.


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Re: 2nd Project, 2nd failure (PICS) [Re: Junkboxer]
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Junkboxer said:
thanks for all the input guys. im going to start my new project next weekend. same project except i wont do any fancy soak, which imo is what bunked my project. im going to do Foo's method and see how it goes. it will be my 3rd attempt at all this, i hope it works out well.


just follow it to the T. Don't try and outsmart the tek. Best of luck.


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Re: 2nd Project, 2nd failure (PICS) [Re: pftek]
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As far as no soak vs soak - either will work. As long as you figure out a method to get the right water content it will work. I've done both and many different combinations. ALL of them have had growth. Some of them contaminated of course, which is why I now soak and simmer always.

Anyways, my $0.02 on what the issue was:

The Lime (and maybe the gypsum) in the soak. The water content of the grain looked fine. If you didn't have GE working properly you would get some growth and then it would stall.

From what I understand, myc likes a slightly acidic PH. Someone in the cultivation irc channel once said a PH of 4 is optimal. Lime is EXTREMELY basic. It has a PH of around 12 iirc. The reason lime is used in bulk substrates is to raise the PH to between 8.0 and 8.5. At this PH, myc can colonize, but it's too basic for a lot of molds.


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