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OfflineHorticulture
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Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot.
    #11177221 - 10/03/09 10:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I have to leave for 2 days so my lamp gets turned off and the dude turns all brown from the ground to a centimeter up!  Is there any chance that it'll recover or do I have to lop it off and reroot? I checked the soil and it wasn't even damp! I'm so pissed.  I drastically underestimated how finicky they are.


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: Horticulture]
    #11177260 - 10/03/09 10:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Hm, assuming the browning is soft, salvaging what you can is the only course of action to take. Sometimes around the base they can discolor somewhat, Its a sort of pre callous that they form to protect themselves from water at soil level. I'd say you're definitely experienced enough with plants to be able to distinguish the two.. So address the problem accordingly.

Did it get any water recently? Was it rooted/unrooted? Its really weird for it to rot so easily as you describe, at least when the temperatures are warm. Down here my few seedlings get rain for months in a row sometimes, but it stays really warm and theyre planted in a really light mix.

Good luck with it, dont let it warp your perspective of cacti, if it is rot it sounds like it may be an isolated incident.

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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: Methadone]
    #11177420 - 10/03/09 11:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well, it fell together in sort of a perfect storm situation.  It was a rooted cutting. It had been given a bit of water on Wednesday, just to get rid of the last little bit of my nonchlorinated water.  Not even soaked, just the last bit from the bottom of the bottle.  On Thursday I got really sick and decided to go home, but when I went to pack my stuff, I discovered my fan (really cheap) had broken.  I didn't want to leave my HPS on without a fan to cool it, so I figured everything would be okay if I just turned it off while I was gone. It's also started getting pretty cold in the dorms since the heat hasn't been turned on yet.  I guess I should've put it together in my head, but

Damp + Cold + Dark = Sensitive Cactus Rots

On the bright side, all the other plants in the box look great :shrug:

I've got the light back on and will attend to the fan issue tomorrow.  The base is brown and *softer* but not mushy. I think I'm to leave it like this and see if the rot spreads up any more. In case I do have to salvage, what's the best way to go about doing so?  Cut above, callous (in light or dark), then keep the base covered and the top in the the light until aerial roots sprout?


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: Horticulture]
    #11177663 - 10/03/09 11:38 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Damn bro, I feel your pain. I just discovered one of mine was dying of root rot. It was just a small recently rooted cutting so I just threw the whole thing out. :sad: I freaked out and uprooted its brother cutting too, and it was all good *shrug*

Rot does actually happen!!!


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: Cactii]
    #11196665 - 10/06/09 10:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Well, I did wind up cutting it off.  The cutting seems to be doing alright, and already seems be forming callous, so that's a good sign.  I left the base (bad idea) to see if it might recover, but today it lost all form, turned into a cacti pus blob, split then deflated... oozing grossness all over the soil.

I really hope my cutting is big enough to throw some roots.  4 inches maybe >_<.  Definitely cutting it close.  It is a small diameter though, which I think will help account for its short size. 

Regardless of whether or not this one makes it, I ought to get another bridgesii. They're definitely cool, but... learning curve.


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: Horticulture]
    #11197170 - 10/06/09 11:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I've had a cutting for about two and a half months now that was in soil waiting to grow some roots. A bit over a week now I checked it, no roots and the base had started to go black and mushy in some places on the base. I decided to cut back into healthy flesh and it is now callousing and I will try again, it is also about four inches tall.:smile: This time I wont plant it but rather rest it on top of the soil. Good luck with yours.


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: karode13]
    #11198121 - 10/07/09 02:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Rooting hormones would speed up rooting and decrease the chance of rot . . am I right? I've never done it, but I'm thinking it might be worth trying.


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: Cactii]
    #11198240 - 10/07/09 02:54 AM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, I was thinking along those lines myself if it fails again this time. I would also add a dash of fungicidal powder in the mix too.


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: karode13]
    #11200844 - 10/07/09 03:55 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I did some searching about rooting hormones and the consensus seems to be the effect is negligible to none on cacti.  I suspect most people have been using the IBA that they sell at Lowes which is mixed at a ratio for herbaceous plants. I am tempted to try some of the hormone we use for hardwood cuttings at my uni (which contain higher percent IBA).  I feel like comparatively a cactus cutting cutting is more similar to a hardwood cutting, and might respond better to the higher IBA.


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: Horticulture]
    #11201657 - 10/07/09 06:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

EDIT:    ...think I misread the post.  NM


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: Horticulture]
    #11646473 - 12/14/09 01:52 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

So, I left this guy on top of some dry soil in my greenhouse, and it's finally started to throw roots.  No pups yet (I put it horizontal), but I'm impressed it's still alive. They are resilient bastards. I'll give them that. 

Quick question:
If it has just started to poke through with a root, how long should I wait before watering it?  And... why did it start rooting during winter?  I thought dormancy was light-cycle dependent... but it must not be?  That or it's very confused.  I'm very confused, that's for sure.


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: Horticulture]
    #11646572 - 12/14/09 02:19 AM (8 years, 1 day ago)

Yeah... I've only had one in-groud Bridgesii rot out of around 13 or so that I have and it was during winter... I just cut, calloused and re-rooted... But they definitely usually root a lot more efficiently in the spring/summer...


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: theMallacht]
    #11646843 - 12/14/09 03:53 AM (8 years, 23 hours ago)

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Quick question:
If it has just started to poke through with a root, how long should I wait before watering it?  And... why did it start rooting during winter?  I thought dormancy was light-cycle dependent... but it must not be?  That or it's very confused.  I'm very confused, that's for sure.




As for watering, there really isn't any point watering until it is fully rooted. depending on how big the pot is, you should just about be able to  pick the whole pot up by just holding the cactus. It's really just silly to water before that, it's not like the cactus is going to die from dehydration.

I'm guessing that cacti don't rely purely on light cycles to go dormant. Sure it may play some part in it, but i think the temperature has a lot to do with it as well.
I might have a cactus on this side of the world where it's nice and warm not go dormant at all during winter, where as if i sent it too my mate in the freezing cold, it may go dormant for months.


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: Artnotwar]
    #11648722 - 12/14/09 02:56 PM (8 years, 12 hours ago)

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I'm guessing that cacti don't rely purely on light cycles to go dormant. Sure it may play some part in it, but i think the temperature has a lot to do with it as well.
I might have a cactus on this side of the world where it's nice and warm not go dormant at all during winter, where as if i sent it too my mate in the freezing cold, it may go dormant for months.




True, mine don't really go dormant at all here in Cali...


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: theMallacht]
    #11651445 - 12/14/09 10:29 PM (8 years, 4 hours ago)

I recently went home to find one of my bridgesii cuttings to be rotten half way up. Had to cut it down to about 5" or 6". The rot smelled terrible and it took a while, airing my room out, for the smell to go away.


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Re: Cripe! Y'all weren't kidding about bridgesii rot. [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #11651668 - 12/14/09 10:55 PM (8 years, 4 hours ago)

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I recently went home to find one of my bridgesii cuttings to be rotten half way up. Had to cut it down to about 5" or 6". The rot smelled terrible and it took a while, airing my room out, for the smell to go away.




i got a nice trunk on my var. langispanus. hopefully to pu next year.


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