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OfflineSmitington
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Do drugs have their own agenda?
    #11174520 - 10/03/09 01:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Throw away your ideas of science and all that.  I've been doin aya lately I think about this alot sometimes when I'm tripping. We've all heard of "Lady Salvia", and other entities that go along with certain drugs, but is there really some entity or consciousness or reason behind the drugs doing what they do?  It's like on dmt sometimes you feel like the drug is showing you things, gives you a feeling that it has it's own agenda.  Thoughts?


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: Smitington]
    #11174537 - 10/03/09 01:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe its just showing you whats already their by removing certain perception filters


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: Smitington]
    #11174572 - 10/03/09 01:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

screw science. seriously. im with u on that. and while im on the topic screw all form of civilzation too. ancient old modern and new and the future as well. never did nature any kind of good. u might think weve helped save the forests here and there or saved animals from extinction, but stop and think, if it wasnt for man, we never would have had to do any of that in the first place. man downright sucks. including myself. i wish i was never born to part of such a stupid fucking race of beings. we're so ignorant of nature and what nature holds. we think science explains everything. sciences doesnt explain shit. nature never asked to be classified or debated.

anyways..depending on what u believe yes and no. im gonna assume that shinto followers might believe that various forms of spirits can inhabit various forms of entheogens etc. but then again drugs are largely illegal in japan/AND VERY hard to come by so if there is any validity to that i dont know.

in MY OWN personal belief i think that yes. but its not neccesarily a said spirit but more a manifestation of our spiritual ideas towards these substances through all the ages of man, and the ages before us when only the beasts knew that certain plants (like sleepy grass for example) would fuck with the.

this manifestation is sorta take son its life of its own and we accept it and let it guide us. depending on how well we respect said substances.

i dunno know. im still exploring various spiritual takes and views on nature right now.


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: whatdidusay]
    #11174578 - 10/03/09 02:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Gaian mind dude.


Didn't terrence mckenna say something like the mushroom has something to show us..LSD does not?

I don't really know this is all just speculation to me.


I think society has made us sick. At least thats what ayahuasca wanted to let me know. It seemed to tell me that LSD and Ecstasy are drugs and are bad for you...Just what I got out of the experience.

I think maybe I should stick to natural psychedelics for now on (probably won't but I'll try)..You can say "yeah everything is a part of nature" but honestly..No.

Nature and society are not the same thing.


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: JackofSpades]
    #11174595 - 10/03/09 02:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

the agenda of drugs is unknown to all but the minds of the shamans.:mushroom2:


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: Salomon]
    #11174626 - 10/03/09 02:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I think marijuana definately has an agenda and some sort of higer conciousness behind it. mushrooms without a doubt. and i have personally met lady salvia.


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: subject]
    #11174675 - 10/03/09 02:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for all the opinions, and keep them coming!

I want to share a bit of my experience last night.  I was lying in bed trippin pretty good, kind of having an over all bad trip because it was very self examining and making me look at bad stuff about me that I normally reject.  Anyways, I developed this image in my mind, it was a face, but extremely distorted and contorted.  It was ugly and wrong, and I realized this face represented me, and at that moment, I felt all the tension in my body that came from my mind trying to hold onto my ego, it was this tension that made me look so ugly.  This is when I had a strong sense that this drug was doing something for me, to me, and it was beyond "the drug interacts with your brain to produce the effects", it was very much dmt as an entity doing this to me by it's own will.  Later that trip I was feeling down on myself, so I called a friend of mine, very smart guy.  We talked about EVERYTHING!  He explained buddhism to me in a way that I have never understood it, and I have this new sense that life is really just what you make it, and I am normally a very neurotic and insecure person, I feel like dmt has shown me to just let things go and not work about objective truth and being right all the time, and just live!


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: subject]
    #11174697 - 10/03/09 02:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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.... and i have personally met lady salvia.




Yeah me too, she was a real bitch


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #11175005 - 10/03/09 03:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I wonder if Lady Salvia has a male counterpart for women.


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: Smitington]
    #11175125 - 10/03/09 03:47 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Do drugs have their own agenda?


Yes. To swallow you.


Some are moving in the direction of doin thangs and some are tryin to not let thangs do, or doin' the anti-thangs if you will.

Or perhaps a better explanation is to say that some are doin' thangs and some are choppin' down doin' thangs :yinyang:


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: Flop Johnson]
    #11175459 - 10/03/09 04:36 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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.... and i have personally met lady salvia.




Yeah me too, she was a real bitch




Agreed.


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: Acid_Raindrops]
    #11176012 - 10/03/09 06:11 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Terence Mckenna used to say, "You don't take the mushroom, the mushroom takes you."  It's fun to think about but I am not so sure.


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: joemolloy]
    #11176077 - 10/03/09 06:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

drugs that are chemicals, even if synthesized, stil were synthezised by other things that were or werent, but somewhere along the tree of these reactions, something came from nature, so in the end all drugs come from nature one way or another.

if u want to look at it another way the things we use to synthesize shit came from nature. the objects. glass jars. microscopes. gloves. goggles. knifes. flame. etc. everything comes from nature one way or another. do you think man, if we didnt exist, that microscopes would create themselves? that scientist's laboratories would create themselves?

NO. they wouldnt. this shit all exists only bc man turned certain materials that nature has given man, into various things. far along the road of technology all we have now, all our cars, our labs, our workplaces, our homes, our food, our money, our entire life, civilizations etc, those same civilizations we use to destroy nature so we can better our selfish selves, ALL CAME FROM NATURE.

i forgot what i was getting at...kinda trippin ballz here :shrug:

shit. wtf was i talking about. :shrug:

damn. i completely forgot what i was talking about.

so sorry man. rofl.  :dancingshroom:


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: whatdidusay]
    #11176087 - 10/03/09 06:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Do not ever throw away science.
Without it you get into superstition and the pursuit of false truths.
And eventually wind up with religion. ick

Science is the pursuit to understand nature completely.
If you throw away science you are contradicting your own curiosity.


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: Thisfire]
    #11176094 - 10/03/09 06:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

nature never asked to be classified. or debated. or understood.

u should be grateful ur evven able to draw breath in such a beautiful world without having to debate what nature is all about. it didnt ask for that bullshit. it just wants to show u its beauty without sum ignorant fucking race trying to tell it what it is or what to do.

nature is nature.

hell it snot even nature. nature doesnt even know what nature is.

so stop lying to urself.

u only believe in science just like how our ancestors believed in magic.

bc u want an explanation. so some1 says this mus tbe it. so u belive them. its only proof bc u think it is. nature doesnt know what the fuck proof is and it doesnt even give a shit. imagine that. its not nature. its just there. it doesnt even know what "there" is.

stop kidding urself man. respect nature. dont corrupt it with ur bullshit "science is the way the truth the light " crap


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: whatdidusay]
    #11176102 - 10/03/09 06:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

We are apart of nature. And our thirst for knowledge only exists because nature decided it best for our species.
We evolved in the way that we did to better adapt to our changing surroundings.

We should strive to understand the thing that brought us here.


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: Thisfire]
    #11176126 - 10/03/09 06:39 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

NO. thats where ur wrong.

we came to be.

thats it.

the road ends there.

we should love nature. nothing more nothing less.

not a "love to understand". just "love". nothing more nothing less.


look im rolling my ballz off trippin like hell. thats just what this weed, shrooms, half tab of acid, half pill of mdma, and tobacco is telling me.

ha. i think i mgiht be on an entirely different level then u right now. no hard feelings. wtf r feelings anyways?


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: whatdidusay]
    #11176150 - 10/03/09 06:45 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I know, you are on a higher plane, far better then I am.
I could never understand.

But whatever. Everyone feels differently. I wont argue about it anymore.


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: whatdidusay]
    #11176160 - 10/03/09 06:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

I don't got a prob with science, but science is just one way to look at things.


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Re: Do drugs have their own agenda? [Re: astrogenic]
    #11176272 - 10/03/09 07:18 PM (8 years, 2 months ago)

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I wonder if Lady Salvia has a male counterpart for women.



No.

That's ridiculous hahaha

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Yeah me too, she was a real bitch




Agreed.



Respectfully disagreed.


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