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Re: starting some poppies [Re: nowwhoutthink]
    #11207414 - 10/08/09 12:03 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

overdose,  i wouldnt.  i tried em in 5 gallon pots last year 2 times and they all died.  i think they do a lot better in the ground or a planting bed.


i might go pick up the soil today.  im looking for fox farms.  does do it center or home depot have it?


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Re: starting some poppies [Re: fatso]
    #11207462 - 10/08/09 12:10 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

well as much as you can handle..find a nice spot in the yard to show off the flowers

home de pot should have the big cubed thing of soil with light amount of perlite...not sure of the brand, but its the best they got there..its what i use.


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Re: starting some poppies [Re: nowwhoutthink]
    #11207530 - 10/08/09 12:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

alright.  im prolly going to do it center cuz i need another blow torch too..  i need to smoke my oils mang


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: fatso]
    #11214541 - 10/09/09 10:59 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

k yesterday while i was really fucked up in the doit center i bought 2 big bags of fox farm.  i wanna fill the baby pool with soil and i try to start germing em soon. 

i have some alfalfa from my old tortoise.  maybe ill put a thin layer of that ontop of my seeds once they under the soil.  sound good?

should i put a few rocks at the bottom to help drainage?

heres the baby pool im gonna use :


are those wholes sufficient for drainage for my poppies?


the white dots on the side are just light shining through the whole on the bottom.  i only put holes on the bottom.





and yes i happened to drill buttholes for some of the fish.  thanks


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: fatso]
    #11218880 - 10/10/09 01:36 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

That should work.

That is a good idea.

Ive been thinking ab out how I am going to start another patch in the bacyard and do it up all nice now that my dogs are dead and cant trash it anymore..

I remember when I grew them last time I did an experimental patch where I added potting soil and boned meal and other ferts I had at the time to it to see the effects. It turned out to be alot better than the other plan areas so Im gonna treat my whole patch that way this time.

I have a few bags of cow manure compost which I hear is good.
Im gonna try and get a box of bone meal soon too, cause that shit works really good and is cheap and easy and long lasting.

And dogs like to eat it too..
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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: OverdoseLiving]
    #11220922 - 10/10/09 01:42 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

so thats good enough drainage?  then im gonna fill it with a small layer of rocks if i have some, then fox farms soil with perlite.  how much perlite should i use?  the pool is decent sized.  thats a one gallon jug next to it in the pic.


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: fatso]
    #11229611 - 10/11/09 09:19 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

definately put some rocks down at the bottom. not sure how big those holes are but it looks like you have a good bit. how big are the larger holes.... about 3/4 of an inch? i wouldn't have the big ones any smaller than that.

foxfarm should be great for what your doing. to loosen it up though, IMHO sand would be the better substitute. though if u do go the perlite route, don't go too heavy with it. nothing over 25%. as it dries it can loosen up the rootzone too much and allow a bit of play. like i stated before, this is BAD NEWS for poppies. their roots are frail and do not like to messed with. sand seems to hold its own. although the only problem with sand is its attraction of cats!

remember a few crushed eggshells and some bone meal mixed in will really give yer pops a nice touch.

what genes you rocking btw?


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #11230561 - 10/11/09 11:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

thanks for the advise. i wasnt sure if i could use the sand because i thought it might retain moisture too much.  i live right next to the beach is that sand ok to use?

id have to check but id say the big holes are at least 3/4 inch.  i tried to put rocks in today but they were too small and clogged some of the holes when i tested it with a hose.

not sure what genes. all i know is theyre gigantum


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: fatso]
    #11231285 - 10/12/09 02:54 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn't use beach sand in you planter. It will more than likely contain too much salt and either disfigure or kill your plants.

Don't worry about putting rocks in the base either. Commercial potting mixes are made to drain well enough, maybe add 10% perlite if you are still worried.


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: karode13]
    #11231784 - 10/12/09 08:13 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

sand sucks!! it compacts like cement


course sand/pebbles are good to use or rock/perlite are best as someone already stated.

beach sand wont help drainage, if anything it will hurt drainage


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: royer]
    #11232893 - 10/12/09 12:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

im hoping i can make some time to get some bigger rocks today.  got everything else.  gonna skip the sand


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: fatso]
    #11238894 - 10/13/09 11:31 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

skip it if you wish but it does work pretty good, as long as you don't go too heavy with it. i prefer it to perlite for poppies but i wouldn't really use it for any other plants, except cacti.... and i'd never use more than a 15 percent ratio. it has no nutritional value and WILL compact in larger amounts. always use freshwater sand. salt water sand retains too much salt and will certainly burn your babbies bad. even though you wanna skip it, it wouldn't hurt to have a thin layer ontop yer soil for the benefit of the seedlings.

i don't like perlite bcuz of its tendency to float and move around a bit between watering cycles. thats why i'm pushing the sand so hard. i wouldn't use verm either.

anyway, i'll shut up now. good luck buddy. gigantium is a great strain. brace yerself tho, the pods actually do get monterously large.... though i'm sure this isn't something you'll mind too much :wink:

peace and poppies


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #11239726 - 10/13/09 02:05 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

ya i wont be using vermiculit.  that reatins moisture doesnt it?


idk where to get freshwater sand.  and home depot or do it center are a bitch to drive to from where i live. 

maybe i could boil the beach sand to clean it up and get salt out.  would that work?  actualy i cant think of how you would possibly strain that lol


what would a layer ontop do for the seedlings?  annd how thick of a layer like half a centimeter? 


thanks for all your guys help!  i really appreciate it.  i got the bigger rocks so im gonna try those out today.  hopefully they dont collapse the baby pool or something.  also im gonna wait at least 3 more days before i put any seeds in because  its raining this week and idk if id be too much water.  should i wait till after the rain to put the soil in too?  i was thinking it might just drain nutrients out of the soil or something if theres too much rain.

edit:  i put the new, bigger rocks in and they seem to drain several times better/fatser/out of more holes than the small rocks.  i guess they did clog up the holes a lot


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: fatso]
    #11241268 - 10/13/09 06:16 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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ya i wont be using vermiculit.  that reatins moisture doesnt it?






Sure does.



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idk where to get freshwater sand.






You don't want normal sand like those used in sand pits and construction industries. You want coarse sand or as it is sometimes called Propagator's Sand. It has had the fines removed and doesn't compact like normal sand.

You know how you tried out those smaller pebbles in your pool and they compacted and didn't allow for it to drain freely. Well that will happen if you use too fine a grade of sand in your mix, once wet it will compact(less air in the mix) and the plants roots will suffocate.

I wouldn't worry about the sand too much. The mix you are using is designed to grow vigorous/healthy plants and I'm absolutely positive that it will drain well.



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what would a layer ontop do for the seedlings?  annd how thick of a layer like half a centimeter?





Just surface sow your seeds, they will be fine. Once they all come up you will be weeding the majority of them anyway. If you do put a layer don't put any more than half an inch.


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: karode13]
    #11241307 - 10/13/09 06:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

ok great.  nice tips.  what do you mean surface sow?  last lime i just put them like 1/4 inch under the dirt and kept em moist. seemed to work pretty good.


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: fatso]
    #11241401 - 10/13/09 06:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Surface sow means to just sprinkle on the surface.


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: fatso]
    #11241435 - 10/13/09 06:41 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

oh ok. is that better?  and just keep moist?


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: fatso]
    #11241633 - 10/13/09 07:10 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

It's generally how it is done and yes, keep moist until they have sprouted.


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Re: starting some poppies (new pics) [Re: karode13]
    #11242947 - 10/13/09 10:03 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Poppies do prefer sandy loam. In my experience using Perlite wouldn't be wise as you NEED the water retention for young poppies. I've found it's impossible overwater them, but it is SO easy to kill them by letting the growing medium dry out. I statred the seedlings in Peat pellets and those things dry out fast, even in winter! So I left them sitting constantly in a dish of water and NONE have ever died from too much water.

I use sand and pumice for airation and water retention once transplanted. I use both builders sand and fine sand. I aquired the sand for free from when I was out at job sites and found rice bags full of the stuff just discarded.

I used nursery growing bags that were 28 Pint sized, combined with Blood & bone, sand, pumice and store bought compost [main growing medium as it is so cheap $4.20 for a 40L].

I got quite a fair amount of goods and great plant growth considering the size of the bags were by far not optimum. As long as you provide extra nutrients, it seems the Poppies do very well. I see it as this, you are taking away growing space, so you have to meet them half way. So adding a nutritious growing medium you reap the rewards.

Hope this helps.

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Re: starting some poppies [Re: J.T]
    #11261084 - 10/16/09 04:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

ok i surface sowed them yesterday.  im misting it a couple times a day when it gets dry.


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