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 Re: people taking tripping too seriously?  [Re: g00ru]
#11163041 - 10/01/09 10:39 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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guruu said:
I take strong issue with the "violent video games and music" statement. I'm a really nice guy and completely non violent in my daily life, but I still get great satisfaction from a nice Halo killing spree. It seems bad, but I don't think of it as "killing" per se, I think of it as winning. And the music...idk, it's badass, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out there and try to replicate what I hear. That would be crazy.
I'm the same - excpet with music. Used to be a metalhead but moved over to the folk/blues/hippy tunes. (60's and 70's ftw  )
But I know more violent people that never play videos games that violent people that do....actually...I really don't know any violent people that play a lot of video games...
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11163071 - 10/01/09 10:45 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, I've always thought violent games were a healthy outlet for caged up aggression. It can be sort of cleansing.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: PsilocybinMike]
#11163218 - 10/01/09 11:09 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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It all boils down to not knowing a damn thing, about anything.
But in relation to how people view and interpret their trips is dependent on their own personality.
I for one, am skeptical, about pretty much everything.
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I think the people who take tripping really seriously are the individuals who have experienced very serious profound life-changing realizations while tripping. I think just about everyone who has taken a psychedelic initially did it just to alter their consciousness and to have fun. The people who take tripping seriously are the ones who've discovered that psychedelics are extremely powerful tools that can be used for more significant purposes other than getting high. They make it possible to achieve new levels or awareness that were previously nearly impossible to achieve. Sometimes it takes a breakthrough into DMT Hyperspace to show you that psychedelics are more than just a drug that gets you high.
And it's hard to breakthrough into DMT hyperspace without actually believing there is something more. For that, I'll be forever curious.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: g00ru]
#11163276 - 10/01/09 11:20 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Peoples from the Amazon don't trip for "worshipping invisible god's in the sky" but for healing and other very practical things (finding lost people etc). It is not a question of belief, it is working and that's all. I witnessed it many times. The spiritual side and the fun may happen but it is like a kind of "side effect", lol.
This thread illustrates one thing: it is impossible to speak about the mushrooms.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: g00ru]
#11164424 - 10/01/09 03:14 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know that not EVERYONE who watches porn, and/or plays violent vid games, and/or listens to violent music doesn't maybe act out ---but surely your not saying that shit wont have an effect on some?
Have you ever--DO you ever sometimes try and imagine things as though you were tripping? I mean do you ever imagine you are watching people do those things when your tripping?
My first trip was very much knowing I was seeing deeply into people--and i was only 15
If I was to watch people now playing vid games constantly and the games are blowing things up and zapping people what am I gonna see?
If I watch them listening to really violent music....? freaky porn?
I am not saying to become a monk, or a born again Christian, but to see whats going on
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11164542 - 10/01/09 03:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
I know that not EVERYONE who watches porn, and/or plays violent vid games, and/or listens to violent music doesn't maybe act out ---but surely your not saying that shit wont have an effect on some?
Have you ever--DO you ever sometimes try and imagine things as though you were tripping? I mean do you ever imagine you are watching people do those things when your tripping?
My first trip was very much knowing I was seeing deeply into people--and i was only 15
If I was to watch people now playing vid games constantly and the games are blowing things up and zapping people what am I gonna see?
If I watch them listening to really violent music....? freaky porn?
I am not saying to become a monk, or a born again Christian, but to see whats going on
I really don't believe it effects me. I am responsible for my own actions. EVERYTHING you do has a permanent effect on you too some extent, and whether you like it or not, there will always be someone out there who disagrees. I just choose not to blame them.
Sometimes I've watched a friend having a "bad trip" thinking I was seeing all these negative vibes and reading into them. Then it turns out they were actually having a great time.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11165860 - 10/01/09 07:44 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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It doesn't fall in our hands to be used as entertainment.
Sure it does. As with anything in life, it is whatever you choose to make of it
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It doesn't fall in our hands to be used as entertainment.
Sure it does. As with anything in life, it is whatever you choose to make of it
Actually..... I was just electrocuted the other day.....
.... And I find this logic faulty.
No matter what I "want to make of it" getting electrocuted is no fun at all.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Shad0w]
#11165956 - 10/01/09 08:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it us taking the trip to seriously or the trip taking us to seriously????
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11166645 - 10/01/09 10:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
Why do you play them? Why do you watch porn?
I am observing in the news and roundabout more and more sicker and sicker acts of violence . You wonder where this kind of violence comes from. I have been thinking about it and I assume its combination of violent vid games, violent music, hard core porn the soul-deadness of mass consumer culture, all fuelled with drugs and booze mostl likely with psychiatric drugs involved too
A story I read today. This guy hears 'Piza delivery' outside his door. He is feeding his baby. He opens door, and then they attack him stabbing him in the face splattering the baby with his blood. Where the fuck does that kind of disrespect and sadistic violence COME from?
I know name calling is childish, but you sir are a fucking moron.
The holocaust, the crusades, centuries upon centuries of war, human slavery, cannibalism... every other disgusting and vile thing under the sun has been a part of human society since the very beginning. If anything I think people have become slightly more civil in modern civilizations and I think you need to read up on your history, because there were some sick fucks in the past just as there are today. Long before video games, long before extreme music, long before any of that.
I happen to indulge in all of the above, I love video games, I love black fucking metal, and I love porn... the only problem is I hate violence and have never so much as been in a fistfight.
On the other hand, millions of people weren't even alive to experience these things committed atrocious acts of violence against there fellow man. Now I don't know what causes this "sadistic thinking" but trying to point the finger at video games is absolutely fucking 
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Subconscious]
#11166711 - 10/01/09 10:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Subconscious said:
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zzripz said:
Why do you play them? Why do you watch porn?
I am observing in the news and roundabout more and more sicker and sicker acts of violence . You wonder where this kind of violence comes from. I have been thinking about it and I assume its combination of violent vid games, violent music, hard core porn the soul-deadness of mass consumer culture, all fuelled with drugs and booze mostl likely with psychiatric drugs involved too
A story I read today. This guy hears 'Piza delivery' outside his door. He is feeding his baby. He opens door, and then they attack him stabbing him in the face splattering the baby with his blood. Where the fuck does that kind of disrespect and sadistic violence COME from?
I know name calling is childish, but you sir are a fucking moron.
The holocaust, the crusades, centuries upon centuries of war, human slavery, cannibalism... every other disgusting and vile thing under the sun has been a part of human society since the very beginning. If anything I think people have become slightly more civil in modern civilizations and I think you need to read up on your history, because there were some sick fucks in the past just as there are today. Long before video games, long before extreme music, long before any of that.
I happen to indulge in all of the above, I love video games, I love black fucking metal, and I love porn... the only problem is I hate violence and have never so much as been in a fistfight.
On the other hand, millions of people weren't even alive to experience these things committed atrocious acts of violence against there fellow man. Now I don't know what causes this "sadistic thinking" but trying to point the finger at video games is absolutely fucking
Both sides of this do have very valid point however maybe the perversely Violante ideas are already there and these things provide the confidence/motivation in the affected individuals some how
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: Subconscious]
#11166767 - 10/01/09 10:18 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's been said before, but it bears repeating: too seriously is MUCH better than not seriously enough.
If you don't want to have a serious meditation trip, go have some fun on your own! Tell your meditating friend that you've just gotta bounce, he or she will understand.
Personally, consuming hallucinogens has had a serious effect on my life, and an entirely positive one at that. I won't say it's a huge part of my daily life, because I don't do it that often, but all the times I have were memorable and illuminating.
I don't search for the "ultimate truth" or the "meaning of life" because I don't think these things are knowable. Eating a fungus or a shred of paper with chemicals on it isn't going to reveal the answers to these questions. I know that even when I'm not tripping.
Serious things can be taken seriously and still result in large amounts of fun.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: memory_nirvana]
#11168326 - 10/02/09 06:05 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Subconscious said:
I know name calling is childish, but you sir are a fucking moron.
The holocaust, the crusades, centuries upon centuries of war, human slavery, cannibalism... every other disgusting and vile thing under the sun has been a part of human society since the very beginning. If anything I think people have become slightly more civil in modern civilizations and I think you need to read up on your history, because there were some sick fucks in the past just as there are today. Long before video games, long before extreme music, long before any of that.
I happen to indulge in all of the above, I love video games, I love black fucking metal, and I love porn... the only problem is I hate violence and have never so much as been in a fistfight.
On the other hand, millions of people weren't even alive to experience these things committed atrocious acts of violence against there fellow man. Now I don't know what causes this "sadistic thinking" but trying to point the finger at video games is absolutely fucking
No it isn't.
It is very reasonable to ask this question as it would be to question kids playing with toy guns and being brought up on millions of violent images as they are. It is very very ignore-ant not to question this.
The reason WHY i sense hostility from certain people when you do challenge all of what I am is because they feel threatened it could get taken away, and they have images of repressive Amish-like cultures, and getting whipped or having to wear devices for jackin off--all that has happened in the past!
I am not a puritan at all, but that doesn't also mean I am FOR the kind or hard core porn and violent video games that are becoming the norm now neither.
I recently sayw this sad documentary where this film crew went round your average schools here in the UK and talked to lots of youths there. Most admitted they watched porn and related how they had seen some pretty sick shit.
Now, ALL the lads and the girls said they wanted false tits!!! Ie., they had naked models take off their clothers and they were not live in the flesh but on a big screen where the audience of youths could could see them. They were fukin brave because they would hear the reactions to their bodies. Their bodies were natural and the boys and girls didn't like natural bodies at all. Know why? Cause they are being fed a diet of hard pron where the women had false tits and false cunts, and no pubes. So all the kids want that too. And it was fukin tragic to watch the body language of the girls who you could tell had no confidence with their bodies because they know the boys want plastic blow up dolls! So that's that yeah
Then we have the normalization of the type of sex being pushed by hard core CORPORATIONS trying to out do the other maaan, and hence showing heavier and freakier shit. Mostly this involves the degradation of women. And dont come that women in them love it, degradation is a corruption that happens to you until you feel it is normal. That is what happens and I speak from fukin experience
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11168347 - 10/02/09 06:15 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why We Crave Horror Movies - Stephen King (thought it kind of applies to what you guys are saying about video games being a good outlet for pent-up aggression)
Why We Crave Horror Movies
By Stephen King
I think that we’re all mentally ill; those of us outside the asylums only hide it a little better – and
maybe not all that much better, after all. We’ve all known people who talk to themselves, people who
sometimes squinch their faces into horrible grimaces when they believe no one is watching, people who
have some hysterical fear – of snakes, the dark, the tight place, the long drop . . . and, of course, those
final worms and grubs that are waiting so patiently underground.
When we pay our four or five bucks and seat ourselves at tenth-row center in a theater showing a
horror movie, we are daring the nightmare.
Why? Some of the reasons are simple and obvious. To show that we can, that we are not afraid,
that we can ride this roller coaster. Which is not to say that a really good horror movie may not surprise a
scream out of us at some point, the way we may scream when the roller coaster twists through a complete
360 or plows through a lake at the bottom of the drop. And horror movies, like roller coasters, have
always been the special province of the young; by the time one turns 40 or 50, one’s appetite for double
twists or 360-degree loops may be considerably depleted.
We also go to re-establish our feelings of essential normality; the horror movie is innately
conservative, even reactionary. Freda Jackson as the horrible melting woman in Die, Monster, Die!
confirms for us that no matter how far we may be removed from the beauty of a Robert Redford or a
Diana Ross, we are still light-years from true ugliness.
And we go to have fun.
Ah, but this is where the ground starts to slope away, isn’t it? Because this is a very peculiar sort
of fun, indeed. The fun comes from seeing others menaced – sometimes killed. One critic has suggested
that if pro football has become the voyeur’s version of combat, then the horror film has become the
modern version of the public lynching.
It is true that the mythic “fairy-tale” horror film intends to take away the shades of grey . . . . It
urges us to put away our more civilized and adult penchant for analysis and to become children again,
seeing things in pure blacks and whites. It may be that horror movies provide psychic relief on this level
because this invitation to lapse into simplicity, irrationality and even outright madness is extended so
rarely. We are told we may allow our emotions a free rein . . . or no rein at all.
If we are all insane, then sanity becomes a matter of degree. If your insanity leads you to carve
up women like Jack the Ripper or the Cleveland Torso Murderer, we clap you away in the funny farm
(but neither of those two amateur-night surgeons was ever caught, heh-heh-heh); if, on the other hand,
your insanity leads you only to talk to yourself when you’re under stress or to pick your nose on your
morning bus, then you are left alone to go about your business . . . though it is doubtful that you will ever
be invited to the best parties.
The potential lyncher is in almost all of us (excluding saints, past and present; but then, most
saints have been crazy in their own ways), and every now and then, he has to be let loose to scream and
roll around in the grass. Our emotions and our fears form their own body, and we recognize that it
demands its own exercise to maintain proper muscle tone. Certain of these emotional muscles are
accepted – even exalted – in civilized society; they are, of course, the emotions that tend to maintain the
status quo of civilization itself. Love, friendship, loyalty, kindness -- these are all the emotions that we
applaud, emotions that have been immortalized in the couplets of Hallmark cards and in the verses (I
don’t dare call it poetry) of Leonard Nimoy.
When we exhibit these emotions, society showers us with positive reinforcement; we learn this
even before we get out of diapers. When, as children, we hug our rotten little puke of a sister and give her
a kiss, all the aunts and uncles smile and twit and cry, “Isn’t he the sweetest little thing?” Such coveted
treats as chocolate-covered graham crackers often follow. But if we deliberately slam the rotten little
puke of a sister’s fingers in the door, sanctions follow – angry remonstrance from parents, aunts and
uncles; instead of a chocolate-covered graham cracker, a spanking.
But anticivilization emotions don’t go away, and they demand periodic exercise. We have such
“sick” jokes as, “What’s the difference between a truckload of bowling balls and a truckload of dead
babies?” (You can’t unload a truckload of bowling balls with a pitchfork . . . a joke, by the way, that I
heard originally from a ten-year-old.) Such a joke may surprise a laugh or a grin out of us even as we
recoil, a possibility that confirms the thesis: If we share a brotherhood of man, then we also share an
insanity of man. None of which is intended as a defense of either the sick joke or insanity but merely as
an explanation of why the best horror films, like the best fairy tales, manage to be reactionary, anarchistic,
and revolutionary all at the same time.
The mythic horror movie, like the sick joke, has a dirty job to do. It deliberately appeals to all
that is worst in us. It is morbidity unchained, our most base instincts let free, our nastiest fantasies
realized . . . and it all happens, fittingly enough, in the dark. For those reasons, good liberals often shy
away from horror films. For myself, I like to see the most aggressive of them – Dawn of the Dead, for
instance – as lifting a trap door in the civilized forebrain and throwing a basket of raw meat to the hungry
alligators swimming around in that subterranean river beneath.
Why bother? Because it keeps them from getting out, man. It keeps them down there and me up
here. It was Lennon and McCartney who said that all you need is love, and I would agree with that.
As long as you keep the gators fed.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11168410 - 10/02/09 06:48 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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CaptainTrips said:
It's like when you're trying to find something in your room, and you look in all the most ridiculous places until you realize its on your desk, in plain view.
I usually get this idea after coming to a realization on a trip.
It leads me to wonder if I could have came up with that idea sober, had I just thought of it. I am thinking yes, but I most likely wouldn't had I not catalyzed the event.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: OverdoseLiving]
#11168868 - 10/02/09 09:26 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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well in my lifetime went from reading fairy books as a kid, and then graduated to reading Pan Horror books from about 11 onwards. Why did this happen?
I dont know but may try guessing. I hated school. I was secretly gay and had to keep it a secret cause it was taboo. I was having to grow up to fast and was smoking at 11. I was a screwed up fukin kid is what i was.
Reading horror stories give me a thrill.
But I ALSO noticed a sadistic streak growing in me.
When I got to 15 and was to take LSD I came to my senses because the magic of nature came back !
Of course I have watched horror films since, but not obsessively.
I remember at art school the 'hip' film then was this film called Man Bites Dog' and it was real terrible horror, and the 'hip' audience and the friends I was with were LAUGHING at these really terrible scenes. I did not and it fuked off the ones I was with. They were just being like sheeple thinking they had to laugh at this horror cause it was 'ironic'
Think about the Roman Ganes and all that horror and how many people would have argued it was normal if you challenged it
But if you are constantly summerged in violent images all the day week in week out and druggin and boozin it it MUST have a negative effect, and I am seeing this acting out in the world. Just because theres been horror in the past dont make THIS right
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11171869 - 10/02/09 08:40 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
well in my lifetime went from reading fairy books as a kid, and then graduated to reading Pan Horror books from about 11 onwards. Why did this happen?
I dont know but may try guessing. I hated school. I was secretly gay and had to keep it a secret cause it was taboo. I was having to grow up to fast and was smoking at 11. I was a screwed up fukin kid is what i was.
Reading horror stories give me a thrill.
But I ALSO noticed a sadistic streak growing in me.
When I got to 15 and was to take LSD I came to my senses because the magic of nature came back !
Of course I have watched horror films since, but not obsessively.
I remember at art school the 'hip' film then was this film called Man Bites Dog' and it was real terrible horror, and the 'hip' audience and the friends I was with were LAUGHING at these really terrible scenes. I did not and it fuked off the ones I was with. They were just being like sheeple thinking they had to laugh at this horror cause it was 'ironic'
Think about the Roman Ganes and all that horror and how many people would have argued it was normal if you challenged it
But if you are constantly summerged in violent images all the day week in week out and druggin and boozin it it MUST have a negative effect, and I am seeing this acting out in the world. Just because theres been horror in the past dont make THIS right
You weren't a fucked up kid, you were having a difficult childhood. You had a few more issues to deal with than other people, and it clearly made you a decent person. So don't say that, please. You are who you are today because of who you used to be  just trying to be positive, sorry
It may not make it right, but does it make it wrong? That's for us as people to decide. The argument between good and evil has been going on since the dawn of time - we won't solve it tonight. I wouldn't automatically assume it has a NEGATIVE effect, I would say more along the lines of, it has an effect, but any open mind can see that while it does, it really isn't significant.
I personally am more concerned with CNN and FOX news and such than I would ever be with a video game.
It just seems that people who take this all seriously don't give off great vibes when you're tripping with them, and they seem too hyper-focused on trying to figure out this or that. That's what I am saying - is that it really doesn't even seem like they're having a good time.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: desiretoheal]
#11172008 - 10/02/09 09:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just don't do anything and everything comes to me.
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: CaptainTrips]
#11173419 - 10/03/09 03:01 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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CaptainTrips said:
I personally am more concerned with CNN and FOX news and such than I would ever be with a video game.
It just seems that people who take this all seriously don't give off great vibes when you're tripping with them, and they seem too hyper-focused on trying to figure out this or that. That's what I am saying - is that it really doesn't even seem like they're having a good time.
But I see it as a continuum. Who is making the money out of the video games?
Video Games making more money then anything else.I bet you those connected with the big boys ultimately. Same is so with violent music! Their middle name is manipulation and making sure there is conflict in society and in the individual.
This is good: "Teaching Kids To Kill"
Surely, man, authentic psychedelic insight has see to to pull away the dirty curtain and show us who are pulling the strings. Who does it suit to promote sadism in young impressionable minds? The very sadists ruling the show is who!
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Re: people taking tripping too seriously? [Re: zzripz]
#11174007 - 10/03/09 09:11 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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zzripz said:
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CaptainTrips said:
I personally am more concerned with CNN and FOX news and such than I would ever be with a video game.
It just seems that people who take this all seriously don't give off great vibes when you're tripping with them, and they seem too hyper-focused on trying to figure out this or that. That's what I am saying - is that it really doesn't even seem like they're having a good time.
But I see it as a continuum. Who is making the money out of the video games?
Video Games making more money then anything else.I bet you those connected with the big boys ultimately. Same is so with violent music! Their middle name is manipulation and making sure there is conflict in society and in the individual.
This is good: "Teaching Kids To Kill"
Surely, man, authentic psychedelic insight has see to to pull away the dirty curtain and show us who are pulling the strings. Who does it suit to promote sadism in young impressionable minds? The very sadists ruling the show is who!
You know, I agree with the idea that 'The Corporation' is running the show..... all of them.
But, I am not so sure they are "making" people sadistic......
People have sado/masochist streaks running thru them naturally...... violence and sex have a lot of close connections in the natural world.
However, I would agree that this piece of our psychology is being preyed upon for the almighty dollar.
I dont think the creators of Doom(going retro) WANT kids to kill each other...... that would mean less customers.
But, I do think they are fully aware of the addictive rush of racking up a graphic kill count, or like duke nukem, lets get some nudity in there somewhere!
I -do- think the division is promoted... It is in the Big Boys best interest that we squabble over the carrot while they use us to plow the field, only to reap the greater part of the harvest and THEN pass out the feed to us as if we should feel privillaged to recieve it.
But, I dont think that rap music and violent video games are the MAJOR part of this sort of diagram.
Also, as far as rap music goes...... people were making it a long time before the media giants were promoting it... So, if the idea is that "gangsta rap" is inherently "bad" get that out of your head right away.....
It is a sad fact of life that some people get so wrapped up in the game, that they would kill someone for 20 dollars or a pair of sneakers or some off-hand insult, I mean , try to answer -this- question correctly. "Watchu lookin at foo!"
ME :" erm..... you, wondering where you learned to dress yourself, or if maybe they just dont make pants in your size."
^ btw ^ I blame that on the fathers....... so in need of earning and deserving respect, that it gets twisted into a demand for respect,or else. 
I have been thinking a lot about the way we live our lives lately...................
I hope to hell Jesus is coming back in 2012. I am not sure where else we -could- go as a whole community....
IT -seems-..... that there is no way OUT of this..... the best I could hope for is a mild acceptance of the "way things are" and to do the best I could.......
But, the idea that "everything will get better" is so far out of the question, based simply upon the Great Men unwilling to release the power, and the Weak Men unwilling to come together and well.... in no uncertain terms.... murder every one of those who wish to retain control over the mass of humanity.
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