NlightNd1 said:

I think the people who take tripping really seriously are the individuals who have experienced very serious profound life-changing realizations while tripping. I think just about everyone who has taken a psychedelic initially did it just to alter their consciousness and to have fun. The people who take tripping seriously are the ones who've discovered that psychedelics are extremely powerful tools that can be used for more significant purposes other than getting high. They make it possible to achieve new levels or awareness that were previously nearly impossible to achieve. Sometimes it takes a breakthrough into DMT Hyperspace to show you that psychedelics are more than just a drug that gets you high.

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Subconscious said:

I respect psychedelics very much because of their ability to alter your perceptions so drastically. But I defiantly try to take the experiences with a grain of salt. The bottom line is that the drug is simply altering your perception of reality... so many people try to make that into so much more than it really is. I mean, psychedelics have shown me amazing things... but at the same time, they've taken me the other way and showed me that I'm really not very important in the grand scheme of things. A lot of people tend to take themselves too seriously, and in turn try to pretend their experiences are much more important than they really are and take psychedelics too seriously.

I'm all for being safe and having a good time while learning a bit about myself in the process. So many people are quick to proclaim psychedelics are the end all be all or an entry to the spirit realm or some other crock of horse shit. They're just so delusioned and can't make sense of such profound experiences they end up making it into so much more than it is and taking it way too seriously.

The drugs are changing your brain chemistry and therefore altering your perception of reality, it is what it is... I personally don't feel the need to pretend it's anymore than that- but I guess I could see why some would.

This is coming from someone who's done LSD 100+ times, Mushrooms quite a bit, various RC's, DMT, Salvia, and all that good stuff. I'm not a noob who will learn in time, I'm the opposite... I'm a guy who started out believing in all kinds of horse crap and then learn to take myself less seriously over the years.

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Poptart said:

Damn nothing against you. I'm just sick of that horse shit being tossed around.

Just because lots of dipshits run around claiming mediation and drugs don't work together doesen't make it true. Experiment and see for youself if they work together.

The wave of thoughts that come to the surface of your mind when you meditate on weed is just your brain decompressing all the thoughts stored in your head that you normally suppress. After a while you will come into pure silence and the boundery between the inner and outer world dissolve.

People claim they think for themselves but they really don't. Most of us are still asleep running around and looking for others to confirm their view of reality.

Try this then come back to me and tell me that weed and meditation don't work together with a straight face.

http://www.eoni.com/~visionquest/library/SOTH.html

First you have to remove yourself from the mainstream cultural matrix that society has created. Then you got to take it one step further and step out of the matrix your fellow trippers have created if you want to know the truth.

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CaptainTrips said:

So...I've been getting kind of frustrated with people who take tripping really seriously (and I know that sounds kind of contradictory, as I'm posting on the shroomery :P) but I mean, what happened too the Merry Pranksters way of tripping?  On so many threads I see people trying to read into trips so much, but by thinking so in depth, they completely miss the simplicity of it.  It's like when you're trying to find something in your room, and you look in all the most ridiculous places until you realize its on your desk, in plain view.  I know that this thread hasn't been well thought out either (I'm pretty tired hah) and that lots of you probably disagree.
I don't really know how to explain what I mean from this, but it just seems people are forgetting about the "let's just have a good time" aspect of tripping in favor of the "let's figure myself out" aspect.  If that makes sense.

I want to hear all your opinions and I'm not trying to flam that way of tripping in any way, to each his own.

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And I am in no way saying tripping is not important or serious :P it's just I tripped with a guy who only wanted to meditate on it a little while ago, and I really wanted to go adventuring.  I didn't really enjoy the trip.

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skippyluvs said:

Wrong...it's more than just the alteration of perspectives. How do you know that your perspective right now is a universal "preference" and that any perspective under a psychedelic isn't the right one?

Psychedlics open worlds so powerful that no human tongue can fully describe or properly comprehend such realms in full and proper respect/appropiateness. It's beyond you and anyone else so who is one to judge right?

And this is why they are taken so seriously, even more than the world you might call the "real one."

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Sorry I have to call you on this one...

You called me wrong and then said "who is one to judge right?"

If no one is, then neither are you.  I'm not trying to be an asshole, but yeah... sorry if I sound like one

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Psychedelic experience is infinitely serious!
By that I am not saying you can't laugh when bemushroomed or whatever,as laughing is really healing, but that overall the more respect you bring to the trip the more you will receive. You and the psychedelic merge as a flower which opens up to nature, the universe and all that that means

You must be aware of the state of things in the world I hope? On all lvels from the 'lowest' to the 'highest'--You got kids drugged and boozed up doing thjose very violent video games, listening to violent music, eating shit drinking shit. Watching freakier and more and more hardcore porn-----------do you imagine this is not having an effect on the psyche?

We dont only owe it to ourselves--respecting ourselves--but to ALl others including animals , earth to get RESPONSIBLE. To really grasp the potential of psychedelic inspiration for helping us to resolve the crises all round.

I believe the so-called Merry Pranksters painted a forest in day glo colours? That is just total ignorance having no respect for the natural beauty of nature. It makes me feel sick

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CaptainTrips said:

Sorry I have to call you on this one...

You called me wrong and then said "who is one to judge right?"

If no one is, then neither are you.  I'm not trying to be an asshole, but yeah... sorry if I sound like one

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No need to apologize, I'll just call you out for what you said above as well, how about that? I can play the devils advocate game too

When I spoke of "judgement" I meant the way someone experiences psychedlic experiences (it will vary from person to person, almost everyone in the medical and scientfic field tends to agree with this), and when I said wrong I was talking about you saying psychedlic experiences are all about "perspective" me as one individual saying otherwise proves that you are wrong in trying to make an "indefinite" statement. Simple as that.

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Really?  I can see where you're coming from...but I really do believe that that opinion is too strong.  Close your eyes for a second, and imagine (unbiased) yourself on LSD in a forest of day-glo pink blue and green.  It's not like it was a full on paint job either, after all there are no remains.  Also, I play these so called "violent" video games, and I watch porn too.  Does that now make me a bad person?  Most definitely not.  I still have morals, respect for women, and I'm definitely not going to go shoot random people up because Is aw it in the game.

All I'm trying to say, is that there are many ways or being a good, respectful and responsible person while using psychedelics that don't involve such seriousness.

When Leary met the Pranksters, they didn't get along, but Leary lightened up, because he realized they were all on the same boat, with the same purpose.  Most acid casualties are from people who became obsessed with the drug and actually did take it seriously.  It drove them mad.

You know why?

The answer does not come from psychedelics.

It comes from yourself.

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Psychedelic experience is infinitely serious!
By that I am not saying you can't laugh when bemushroomed or whatever,as laughing is really healing, but that overall the more respect you bring to the trip the more you will receive. You and the psychedelic merge as a flower which opens up to nature, the universe and all that that means

You must be aware of the state of things in the world I hope? On all lvels from the 'lowest' to the 'highest'--You got kids drugged and boozed up doing thjose very violent video games, listening to violent music, eating shit drinking shit. Watching freakier and more and more hardcore porn-----------do you imagine this is not having an effect on the psyche?

We dont only owe it to ourselves--respecting ourselves--but to ALl others including animals , earth to get RESPONSIBLE. To really grasp the potential of psychedelic inspiration for helping us to resolve the crises all round.

I believe the so-called Merry Pranksters painted a forest in day glo colours? That is just total ignorance having no respect for the natural beauty of nature. It makes me feel sick

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zzripz said:
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Psychedelic experience is infinitely serious!
By that I am not saying you can't laugh when bemushroomed or whatever,as laughing is really healing, but that overall the more respect you bring to the trip the more you will receive. You and the psychedelic merge as a flower which opens up to nature, the universe and all that that means

You must be aware of the state of things in the world I hope? On all lvels from the 'lowest' to the 'highest'--You got kids drugged and boozed up doing thjose very violent video games, listening to violent music, eating shit drinking shit. Watching freakier and more and more hardcore porn-----------do you imagine this is not having an effect on the psyche?

We dont only owe it to ourselves--respecting ourselves--but to ALl others including animals , earth to get RESPONSIBLE. To really grasp the potential of psychedelic inspiration for helping us to resolve the crises all round.

I believe the so-called Merry Pranksters painted a forest in day glo colours? That is just total ignorance having no respect for the natural beauty of nature. It makes me feel sick

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zzripz said:

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zzripz said:
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Psychedelic experience is infinitely serious!
By that I am not saying you can't laugh when bemushroomed or whatever,as laughing is really healing, but that overall the more respect you bring to the trip the more you will receive. You and the psychedelic merge as a flower which opens up to nature, the universe and all that that means

You must be aware of the state of things in the world I hope? On all lvels from the 'lowest' to the 'highest'--You got kids drugged and boozed up doing thjose very violent video games, listening to violent music, eating shit drinking shit. Watching freakier and more and more hardcore porn-----------do you imagine this is not having an effect on the psyche?

We dont only owe it to ourselves--respecting ourselves--but to ALl others including animals , earth to get RESPONSIBLE. To really grasp the potential of psychedelic inspiration for helping us to resolve the crises all round.

I believe the so-called Merry Pranksters painted a forest in day glo colours? That is just total ignorance having no respect for the natural beauty of nature. It makes me feel sick

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Really?  I can see where you're coming from...but I really do believe that that opinion is too strong.  Close your eyes for a second, and imagine (unbiased) yourself on LSD in a forest of day-glo pink blue and green.  It's not like it was a full on paint job either, after all there are no remains.  Also, I play these so called "violent" video games, and I watch porn too.  Does that now make me a bad person?  Most definitely not.  I still have morals, respect for women, and I'm definitely not going to go shoot random people up because Is aw it in the game.

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OK I am shutting my eyes: I HATE it. It is all one uniform sickly gaudy colour been used to desecreatethe unimaginable diversity of the woods. garish and vile and ugggh! I have never understood how a lot of popular art depicting psychedelic experience is so freakin gaudy--like Las Vegas gaudy. MY experience has never been like that so I cannot connect with that mindset and all and dont respect them imposing it on the actual natural world. I wouldn't be amused at all.
Why do you play them? Why do you watch porn?
I am observing in the news and roundabout more and more sicker and sicker acts of violence . You wonder where this kind of violence comes from. I have been thinking about it and I assume its combination of violent vid games, violent music, hard core porn the soul-deadness of mass consumer culture, all fuelled with drugs and booze mostl likely with psychiatric drugs involved too
A story I read today. This guy hears 'Piza delivery' outside his door. He is feeding his baby. He opens door, and then they attack him stabbing him in the face splattering the baby with his blood. Where the fuck does that kind of disrespect and sadistic violence COME from?

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All I'm trying to say, is that there are many ways or being a good, respectful and responsible person while using psychedelics that don't involve such seriousness.

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Depends what you mean by seriousness. You can be both laughing and serious at the same time--But this dont mean you pull stupid pranks and are insensitive to others, and to wildlife. No sir

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When Leary met the Pranksters, they didn't get along, but Leary lightened up, because he realized they were all on the same boat, with the same purpose.  Most acid casualties are from people who became obsessed with the drug and actually did take it seriously.  It drove them mad.

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I don't agree. You are meaning obsessesed as abusing the drug to get somewhere right? I am not meaning that. For a start you do not abuse it by taking it too many times in a year. You always take set and setting very seriously indeed, and the come down and integration. Thats what I am saying

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You know why?

The answer does not come from psychedelics.

It comes from yoursel

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I see it as a meeting. There's you and there's a bunch of sacred mushrooms. You meet/eat them. So respect them and yourself for healing experience. Ask them why it is you love violent video games and porn.
I was a sex addict totally addicted to porn (in AA speak I should say "am")! never was into vid games though

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This is a kind of reply I was hoping for, and all I have to say is.

Lighten up. 

I play them because I enjoy them, I watch porn because I enjoy it...I think most honest people would say they watch porn, like come on.  Did I say I love them?  no.  I said I ENJOY them.  You're missing this whole middleground concept I'm trying to get across.

That sadistic violence you mentioned doesn't come from "video games" and "porn", those are just excuses for it.  It comes from the human mind, face it.  Though people can be influenced, what we do is ultimately our decision.  You can't go labeling people who watch porn and play video games as bad people, it's just making excuses.

The real issue is that we as a people do in fact need help, but we have to stop distracting ourselves with these useless thought of "let's blame it on this!" Once we face the fact that we are who we are, and we have the power to change who we are (with drugs or without).  Please don't take this as a strike against you, it isn't intended as one, but personally I do see your view a bit radical.

The point is we need all these different types of extremes in society, they keep it going (have you ever read "One flew over the cuckoos nest"?) The rabbit wouldn't be a rabbit without the wolf.  If you that makes sense.  What if we were all able to laugh at these pranks however?  What if, what if we all trusted each other enough to get along and have a laugh?  What if we didn't take these light hearted games so seriously?  I can see where you're coming from, and I have respect for your point of view.  The part where I get frustrated though, is when I can't see any respect or attempt at understanding in return.

Now I may be making assumptions, but when you say "OK I am shutting my eyes" I can already hear the sarcasm and the bias in your reply.  You didn't take a second to see it from my side.  Of course, maybe I am making assumptions, and if I am I'm sorry, and I would love it if I was wrong.

Please don't take any of this personally either - it is solely for the sake of argument