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Offlineyogenfruzen
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birdseed tek?
    #1115516 - 12/05/02 11:07 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

can anyone point me to some info on doing a birdseed cake tek. I can't seem to find any info on the net. Is it just like a brf PF tek with birdseed as the substrate? What kind of birdseed? Do I add anything? Help would be appritiated.


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Re: birdseed tek? [Re: yogenfruzen]
    #1115525 - 12/05/02 11:12 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

WBS Tek (Wild Bird Seed) Bulk Spawn Preparation Method.

WBS consists primarily of white millet. It is often a combination of white, red millet & milo, with a small percentage of sunflower seeds and sometimes tiny amounts of crushed corn. Some expensive brands are coated with a fungicide. For use as spawn material, treated WBS is not advisable.

You can find untreated WBS in 5 -10 & 20 pound bags, at low prices at most large chain grocery stores, or chain type pet supply stores. For instance, PetsMart has 40 pound bags for around $9.

Simply place whatever quantity you intend to use in a plastic pot, tub or bucket. Bear in mind, dry seed will expand about 20 to 25% - after it absorbs its capacity of water. Add tap water & soak the seed overnight. A 8 to 12 hour soak is fine. Seed soaked longer will begin to ferment. But, is still usable after soaking 24 to 36 hours.

There is no need to remove any floating husks, or sunflower seeds. These add lignin (a good thing) & do not harbor any more possible contams than does the millet. It is all going to get thoroughly sterilized - anyway.

Once soaked, simply rinse the seed very thoroughly in a colander, or strainer. Then allow it to drain - WELL. As in 30 or more minutes. If it is drips - one drop. It is not drained - WELL.

Load pint or quart jars ? full, apply internal filter disk, material, polyfil or whatever method you use allow gas exchange through a ? or 3/8 inch hole in the lid. Screw lid on tight & back it off ? turn. Place a double layer of paper coffee filters over the lid & jar top, held down by a thick rubber band. Place the jars in the PC.

PC at 15 pounds for a full 60 minutes. 90 minutes is better, if you have the time. Allow the PC pressure to drop to zero & let it cool a bit. Open while still hot & remove jars. The paper coffee filters will dry almost instantly, when the PC is opened. Tighten lids (if necessary), shake jars to insure there are no clumps of seed inside. Place jars inside the oven on a rack, to cool, overnight. External coffee filters simply add another layer of protection to the jars content.

Once cooled to room temperature, store in a clean cardboard box - until used. Using them sooner than later is preferable. Note: This method was done in an All American PC. Some brands with a weighted pressure system require more internal water & it may be advisable to also cover the coffee filters with tin foil while PC'ing, so no excess boiling water gains entry into the jars. Simply remove the tinfoil when you remove the jars from the PC.



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Re: birdseed tek? [Re: yogenfruzen]
    #1115592 - 12/05/02 11:44 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

There is a section called FAQ and it has your answer there. So go there and find it.


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Re: birdseed tek? [Re: yogenfruzen]
    #1115593 - 12/05/02 11:44 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

thanks for the post. I still have some questions though. I've only done the BRF tek before and am not sure about the gas exchange setup since I've never needed it. Why is this needed? Also how would I innoculate, I'm thinking just using a syringe. And finally, can this be done without a PC using just normal cookware?

In regards to lvleph, I'm looking for an overview of the process not just faq.


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Re: birdseed tek? [Re: yogenfruzen]
    #1115604 - 12/05/02 11:50 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Air exchange is to limit the amount of CO2 . Too much is bad. I am not sure what you mean by normal cookware. I do every thing in a 12 psi PC and I use kerr jars. Now there are several ways to innoculate, but since you are starting out maybe you would want to stick to Syringe, but you can also do carro water. This is more for producing bulk amounts of substrate.


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Re: birdseed tek? [Re: yogenfruzen]
    #1115614 - 12/05/02 11:54 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

I meant just using pots and boiling the jars. In order to use just pots not a PC would I have to use fractional sterilization?


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Re: birdseed tek? [Re: yogenfruzen]
    #1115618 - 12/05/02 11:55 PM (14 years, 1 day ago)

In reply to:

And finally, can this be done without a PC using just normal cookware?



Nope.

If you still want to to bulk, but don't have a PC, you can simply spawn brf cakes with poo or straw, or a poo/straw combo.


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Re: birdseed tek? [Re: yogenfruzen]
    #1115680 - 12/06/02 12:14 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

Thanks for the help to everyone who posted. I guess I could see if anyone I know has a PC. If not I'll just take a BRF to a cheese grater.


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Re: birdseed tek? [Re: yogenfruzen]
    #1115744 - 12/06/02 12:37 AM (14 years, 1 day ago)

I don`t mean to be the party-pooper here but this is all in the Faq.
You say you searched the net but found nothing??
That`s where I decided not to answer.
Take a minute to read the Faq and any other postings related to grain.
Use the search function and do a search for grain. How difficult is that??
So don`t come and ask such a simple question when the answers are all just a click away.


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