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After much research here I goooooo
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I've been on the job hunt for awhile now and it has forced me off MJ i've been clean off it for a few months now. So this is why I say wish me luck. LEGAL HIGHs.

Since cid, and my beloved muckies are very hard to come by and show up on DTs, i'm going to try HBWR seeds tonight. Here's the prep i'm following:

10x HBWR seeds Hawaiin strains from reputable online distro.
Tried to scrape the seeds as best I could but know I failed miserably.
Crushed with hammer in ziplock bag as best I could, resulting in a significant amount of powder and a bit of chunks.
At this point some of the seed chunks I was trying to grind further ricocheted away and I thought damn..ok well let's put 2 more in and grind them up to counter that. So my tea will approx be 10-12 hbwr.
Placed in a few ounces of ice cold distilled drinking water with fresh squeezed lemon juice.
Placed in dark container to be refrigerated for 6-8hours shaking the container occasionally.
Will filter through coffe filter and sip slowly over the course of 1/2hour while drinking fresh water in another glass.
All this on a empty stomach(6hours no foods just some tea)

I have some good movies lined up and some good music any recommendations you guys have would be appreciative. I do have quite the collection and most trippy/stoner movies are in there from my prior high guy period.

This will be my 5th or 6th time doing hallucinogens(not counting salvia which i've done quite a few times).

As always my sober g/f will sit, just in case movies and music won't do and I need to get out and into nature.

Hopefully good things transpire and I at the very least experience the psychedelic thoughts and intense introspectiveness i've been missing.

Anyone had good experiences from HBWR? I've done a lot of research and it's a mixed bag(extreme dis-associativeness, visuals to nothing but sickness) . I definitely know to expect some nausea and cramping. However I seem to have a cast iron stomach but we will see, plus the method i'm using is supposed to make it more manageable but we will see.

If you like I can keep you updated through my sober surrogate (hmm..thats got a nice ring to it, might coin that term instead of sitter)


Movie list:
alice in wonderland
fantasia
horton hears a who

music list:
tool
311
and various older music ie; jimi, janis, cream, beattles etc..

Edited by borked (09/28/09 08:59 PM)

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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JWH-018.  It's the closest thing to weed that i have ever had.  Not identical, but very similar.


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: Newfound_wonder]
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isn't that the chemical in spice gold etc..? if so i don't have any locations to get it, I had a site bookmarked(little independent place in sd) but i reformatted and lost the link lol. plus isnt it just as expensive as kush? ie; 20/g. id rather the real deal after i find employment.

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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i've been in the same sort of situation as you are in for several years now.  i very rarely am in a position where i can smoke weed.  HBWR is definitely the way to go.  if you use the coffee filter there is nothing to be nervous about.  i would also suggest looking into getting some yopo/cebil if you really miss the herb.  a low dose of smoked yopo, while not the same as MJ, can be very close in its meditative aspects.  also... if you want something that you can use regularly, recreationally, and is easy on the body, i highly recommend lotus and alcohol.

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: asagao]
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asagao said:
i've been in the same sort of situation as you are in for several years now.  i very rarely am in a position where i can smoke weed.  HBWR is definitely the way to go.  if you use the coffee filter there is nothing to be nervous about.  i would also suggest looking into getting some yopo/cebil if you really miss the herb.  a low dose of smoked yopo, while not the same as MJ, can be very close in its meditative aspects.  also... if you want something that you can use regularly, recreationally, and is easy on the body, i highly recommend lotus and alcohol.


Awesome thanks for the info/insight. I'll definitely check into that. I think i've heard about that stuff isn't that the egyptian flower?

Oh also, i'll be dosing my TEA at 10pm PST so about 1:15 from launch.

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: Newfound_wonder]
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Newfound_wonder said:
JWH-018.  It's the closest thing to weed that i have ever had.  Not identical, but very similar.


Just make sure to try it without any other substance first, get a feel for the dose you're taking in. Even for people that have never experience any problems with real-deal weed, the risk of very unpleasant panic attacks is not too uncommon with higher doses JWH-018. You don't want to have that on your hands during an LSA or any other trip - believe me.


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: Yippie]
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Yippie said:
Just make sure to try it without any other substance first, get a feel for the dose you're taking in. Even for people that have never experience any problems with real-deal weed, the risk of very unpleasant panic attacks is not too uncommon with higher doses JWH-018. You don't want to have that on your hands during an LSA or any other trip - believe me.


Thanks for the concern, however I will not be consuming LSA with ANY other substance this time. As this is my first trip, I want to get to know LSA itself before I experiment further/or mixtures of other things. If all goes well my next plan will be a san pedro/hbwr tea mixture. Then again, i've never tried mescaline so maybe i'll do mescaline on it's own but reports say it's very mellowing at the most.

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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I just took delivery of some HBWR seeds myself - it is going to be a couple weeks before I'm able to try them out. Please post about your experiences or send me a message afterwards with any tips. Thanks!

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: shibuya]
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extract that stuff


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: thedudenj]
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Well it's 10:08 and I just took my first sip of the tea, as read on another website I will slowly ingest over a period of 20+mins while drinking reg distilled water in between. Will report later but, I can say the night has started off fantastically well due to an impromptu blowjob from my sitter. If thats not the best way to start it, not sure what is.

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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Well it has been an hour since i Dosed and i definitely feel something. For one I cannot seem to stop smiling, I can force myself but soon as I stop the grin returns and its never ending. Secondly, I feel a sort of Alcoholic buzz, Thirdly I have dilated pupils as if I smoked some weed 

No nausea but some heartburn for sure, might go drink some Maalox mint.


Will post later...That is all for now.

Edited by borked (09/29/09 12:12 AM)

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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well theres 3 hours til the peak after taking it


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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: thedudenj]
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Good vibes dude hope you have a fantastic experience!


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: HopanDubMan]
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so far so amazing i think I took a good starter amount, if i had let them sit a bit longer before ingesting maybe would have gotten visuals but at certain points definitely had closed eyed visuals all along cool amazing thoughts...

pupils definitely huge now
since i last posted i felt like i smoked maybe the best weed ever invented. thats the best i can describe it..maybe with glimpses of some really good xtc cause i felt so amazing it made me cant think of it now get back to you later...

HORTON HEARS A WHO IS THE BEST MOVIE EVER BUT ILL EXPLAIN THAT LATER AS WELL

Gonna go outside now..i think itll be nice.

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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Keep some bread handy! It really helps if you start to get sick!!! ENjoy the rest of ur trip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:awetrippie:


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: Black_Sunset]
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Long read if you don't want to go through it all, here's the summation: AWESOME.

Well it's all over now, all in all it was a definitely positive experience. Taking the time to prep the HBWR seeds and doing the research definitely came in handy as I experienced 0 nausea, all though the urge was there to vomit I never did. It was more like indigestion/heartburn and the Maalox helped considerably.

Leaving off from my last post I went outside felt good vibes spent 15-20minutes staring at some plant on my porch that in the dark induced visuals. I then returned inside to find my g/f sick from alcohol on my bed so my thoughts turned shamanistic and I would try to heal her through the amazing joyous vibes I felt. I hit play on my itunes playlist and had her strip and spent the next couple hours just lightly touching and sometimes caressing her naked body which put her to sleep quickly. She said it was "heaven." I fell asleep sometime after all the time I was rubbing her and after having deep relaxing thoughts, about life and what it means, and just what the hell we are all trying to achieve.

Nothing about the trip was overwhelming or overpowering except perhaps the happiness I felt, extreme giddiness. Thoughts of childhood happiness flooded my head in an attempt to equate what I was feeling. I did experience a lot of restlessness but I subdued that by endlessly rubbing my body like I was on some powerful xtc and it worked out amazingly. At certain points I got the feeling that the LSA wanted to take me further and really show me its power but I did not let the extraction go long enough. I would say I needed more seeds but that would be dumb of me considering how powerful just those 10-12 were with minimal side effects. I think next time Ill try 12 but let the cold water extraction go for the full 24 as well as do a better job grinding the seeds. AND DEFINITELY spend the next trip in the woods...with some good tunes, I have virtually no hangover except for a very minor headache. The end.

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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Nice report and a generally encouraging experience for potential LSA users to gain confidence from! :thumbup:


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: Yippie]
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great to hear you had a good experience.  LSA is awesome when it's done right.  from what i understand, leaving the seeds to soak longer will just result in more nausea and won't give that much stronger of an experience.  experimentation is good too though.

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: asagao]
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I've been discouraged about trying LSA, but your post has inspired me to go ahead and give it a shot.

It sounds like you did a cold water extraction, did you feel any nausea? There are other extractions involving solvents and chemicals (naptha, etc.), but cold water is most convenient. I was wondering if there are any significant disadvantages to CWE.

Also, HBWR or morning glory seeds?


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: Maruta]
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He said HBWRx10 plus 2 for the pieces that he couldn't crush, so anywhere from 10-11 seeds or so.


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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Quote:
Since cid, and my beloved muckies are very hard to come by and show up on DTs



Since when do they test for those on pre-employment drug tests?


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: Dr.Myco87]
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Thanks for clarifying, but what I meant to ask was: is HBWR or morning glory preferred for this procedure?


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: Dr.Myco87]
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whats was that online source if i may ask?

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: mrnoeyes]
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I did a LOT of research (notice i've been a member here for 1year but never posted..JUST READIN BABY) from various places. Google is your friend for sure. However the site that most impressed me was http://www.clearwhitelight.org/hatter/entheogens.htm Which is the site I followed while heading warnings from other trip reports and experiences here and on erowid and many other sites.

HBWR are preferred(for me anyways) since they have more LSA per seed.
MG will do the trick but whereas you only need under 10 HBWR for good effects you generally need 200+ MG for a good effect.

However one thing I want to make clear is that whenever youre dealing with drugs, and SEEDS ESPECIALLY the potency of each seed can vary greatly so be careful in your dosing. Don't over do it then come on here and badmouth the seeds cause you failed to do research.

I'm 6'0 230lbs and have had good times on 5grams(intense) of some potent cubenis I took all this, along with the research I did to come up with the number 10 seeds.

I have 38 HBWR seeds left, I will continue to experiment. I think the next experiment will be crushing them a lot better and only soaking+agitation for 30-60mins and see how I feel. Then I will try soaking for 24hours straight.

Try to get as fresh of seeds as possible..Hawaiian strain grown in hawaii. Don't get ripped off I paid $23 including shipping for my 50 HBWR seeds. 


I do the cold water extraction because it keeps it all natural, once you get into adding your white gas and what not kind of "dirtys" it up for me. Even though if done properly I do believe the end product would be more pure.

Anyways if you read over all my posts thoroughly i've done much of the worrying/figuring out for first timers. I was anxious the entire day before I dosed; heart pounding & not know what to expect. 

My "hangover" consisted of a headache all day but I think that's more due to not eating for 24hours(except the seeds) now that i've eatin I feel awesome.


Can't wait to experiment with cacti!

Edited by borked (09/29/09 07:20 PM)

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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Im pretty sure mushies dont show up in drug test do they?

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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hmm I was going to dose again tonight(more for experimentation) but after some research on tolerance I think I'll wait a couple weeks. Can anyone confirm my suspicions of tolerance to LSA building quickly in other words is it similar to psilocybin in terms of tolerance building?

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: tarponio]
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tarponio said:
Im pretty sure mushies dont show up in drug test do they?


Not usually, they can be tested for but are rarely done so. Plus they leave the body quite quickly. However in this economy and my current desperation for a job 1: its not worth the risk and 2: like previously stated before they are EXTREMELY difficult to come by. also when I do find them often more than I want to pay.

Edited by borked (09/29/09 07:38 PM)

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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IME, always wait. It will only make it better, patience is key. No need to dip into the psychedelic pool too often.


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: Aircooled]
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Well after an all expense paid offer to go see cloudy with a chance of meatballs...(I think my g/f just wants me on drugs for that rub down..) I dosed again with good grindings of 10x seeds at 8:15 waiting for effects now. Ill let you guys know if it was a mistake or a success. I let them soak in cold water in a teabag with some lemon for 1hour. Right now I feel nothing but can't stop yawning(oddly what I was doing last night after I dosed) so we will see.

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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LSA has probably the highest tolerance factor of all the standard psychedelics

in other words, if  2 seeds do nothing, taking 10 more probably wont give you as good of an effect as waiting a week, and taking 5 from the beginning.

But that doesn't mean a tolerance protects you from the negative effects of taking seeds that won't have their proper good effects


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: Dr.Myco87]
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i thought you used hundreds of seeds?

i wanna give it a try


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: tracedwards313]
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ive got active morning glory seeds for trade (lots of them) if anyone is interested.

:pm:


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Edited by Engelsblut6 (09/30/09 01:27 AM)

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: Engelsblut6]
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well ive encountered no side effects, ive also encountered no effects at all. can't say it was a mistake because me and my gf had the entire stadium theater to ourselves and the movie was awesome. so definitely built a tolerance since last night or..i did not let them soak long enough..

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: borked]
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if you do them one day, even if it doesn't really work,
it will not work very well at all the next day no matter what the dose.


you need to wait at LEAST 3 days, but I'd give it more like a week


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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: the bizzle]
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It's a shame it didn't work the second time. Do you think it was because of tolerance or seed inconsistency? I think grinding all the seeds at once and dosing by weight would be a good way to get consistent dosing (per batch of seeds).

Also, which vendor did you purchase seeds from (I guess you can PM is discussion here isn't allowed)? The link you included doesn't seem to actually sell seeds.


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Edited by Maruta (09/30/09 10:39 PM)

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Re: After much research here I goooooo [Re: Maruta]
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if you do it one day, there is no way it's going to fully work the next day. To a (probably much) greater extent than lsd


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Edited by the bizzle (09/30/09 11:27 PM)

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