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Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper?
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I couldn't fit it all into the heading:

Why is it that some of us can eat massive doses just to see pretty colors and shapes, and others have mystical experiences on relatively low doses?(applies to lsd and mushrooms)
or similarly,
Why can some of us break through on DMT and look into parallel universes and interact with sentient being, while others just see geometrical patterns and flashing lights?

It's a very fundamental difference between 2 types of people. But I can't understand what that difference is exactly. I think it's the reason why just dosing everyone in the world to achieve world peace will not work.

It's very strange to me how some people can take some acid and go clubbing. When i take acid it very much seems to me the universe is communicating with me. Or some sort of filter of the mind has been removed and i experience the utterly shocking reality.

I don't think it has anything to do with belief systems. Before I had my first breakthrough on DMT i was fairly certain that there can't be much more to life than what we experience on a day to day. Literally overnight (overtrip i should say) i went from that to absolutely sure that there is something much greater going on.

anyway, what do you guys think?


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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: dummy]
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I smoked 3 times the amount of dmt freebase as my friend in a sitting. As where my friend broke through to bizarre entities and golden cities I just saw geometric patterns and had an intense euphoria.

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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
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so i think this difference is apparent to you too.


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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: dummy]
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i know what your saying, im pretty much the oposite to  you.

with mushrooms i never really had anything mystical happpenm spiritual or feelings of comminicating with the whole world. Even on higher doses (30 grams fresh) things got colourfll, brathed, closed eye visuals and patterns on things.

The most unusual thing that happened once was lying on my bed then seeing myself from above except the bed and 1 were 1 object, just a shape and it was electric blue blue black/white diamond patters. I thought i was that shape for a few minutes untill i opened my eyes.


but for the most part its just brighter colours, wavyness, soemtimes like being underwaters. and a huge body buzz. It seems the  more i take, the more intense the hullucinations become. But i dont seem to get a mind trip.

A friend on the other hand with teausing just 12 grams of shrooms, is in complete awe off everything and jjust wants to comunicate with the world, which ends up with him just look at his laptop screen for ages trying to figure it out and then being " god too much  " and puts his laptop down.

My other mate usualy gets quite sick, he sees dinourours and stuff like that.

With DMT i havnt quite had a breakthrough, the most i got was intense patterns everywhere morphing into each other, with a very quiet sound.


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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: veda_sticks]
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I think it has to do with what kinds of food and medication you have been ingesting.

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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: veda_sticks]
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i don't think it has anything to do with what one has been ingesting. i think it is a very fundamental difference between people. i think so because it doesn't matter what medication i'm currently on (i'm not on anything regular btw) and it doesn't change from trip to trip. it ALWAYS feels as though this is happening... even though my diet is pretty irregular.

veda_sticks said:
i know what your saying, im pretty much the oposite to  you.


The most unusual thing that happened once was lying on my bed then seeing myself from above except the bed and 1 were 1 object, just a shape and it was electric blue blue black/white diamond patters. I thought i was that shape for a few minutes untill i opened my eyes.





i've been shown a completely different dimension, and i'm obviously not the only one that this has happened to.

this really puzzles me, why can't some people experience this beautiful thing?

i don't mean to offend you guys by asking, but to tryptamines have any sort of significance to you other than recreation?

for me the visuals aren't really what it's about. and they 'real' visuals always accompany moments of realization.


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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: dummy]
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Everyone is differant, everyone see's things from a differant perspective, everyone makes sense of the world around them in differant ways. Some people are just looking for differant things and use the drugs for differant reasons than you do.

There's no set way to enjoy psychedelics... if you want to go communicate with the universe, be my guest. If someone wants to hit a club, why not. Everyone's differant...

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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: Subconscious]
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ya but theres one thing though. i've never met anyone like myself that would even have the thought of going to a club or whatever on psychedelics. i think the difference goes a little bit deeper than preference.


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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: dummy]
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People see what they want to see.

Thats why.

I took psychedelics to learn truth. Thats what I've seen.

I know people who take them for fun. thats what they get.

Robert Anton Wilson talks about this.


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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: JackofSpades]
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JackofSpades said:
I took psychedelics to learn truth. Thats what I've seen.



:rolleyes:

What "truths" have you seen, exactly?

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ya but theres one thing though. i've never met anyone like myself that would even have the thought of going to a club or whatever on psychedelics. i think the difference goes a little bit deeper than preference.



I don't go to clubs to begin with, but i've been to shows and other events on psychedelics- because that's what I enjoy doing. I know people who go out to clubs and raves on psychedelics, it's not my scene- but if someone enjoys doing that, good for them. I don't see why it's so hard for you to get this through your head. People like doing differant things, not everyone wants to spend a tripping sitting around communicating with the universe or whatever- enjoying yourself and having a good time isn't a bad thing either, it can be just as therapeutic as sitting around and meditating.

I personally like to find a balance, sometimes I spend my trips meditating or out in nature alone- but sometime I want to go out and do something and have a crazy unpredictable adventure. Sounds like you're just stuck in one way of doing things...

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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: Subconscious]
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Subconscious said:
JackofSpades said:
I took psychedelics to learn truth. Thats what I've seen.



[quote[:rolleyes:

What "truths" have you seen, exactly?


Experiencing a higher form of reality. Dissolution of boundary. Ego death.

Experience of oneness.


Go ahead and roll your eyes--you clearly have never opened them.


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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: JackofSpades]
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At first I didn't take psychedelics with anything in mind at all, I thought they were like any other illicit drug. They showed my a lot more than what I bargained for. I went into my DMT experience a skeptic, but came out totally changed.

Why isn't it the same for everybody?


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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: dummy]
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Subconcious, The question isnt "which one of these types of people is better"

It is "why?"

I suppose it is a lot along the same lines as why two people can go into a church, one of them will have some sort of profound event happen that causes them to become "believers".

While the other person just heard some guy talking and a bunch of people singing.........

But, really I have no idea what the difference is.

My friend is like that, he can take MASSIVE doses..... but in the end all that is happening is he is getting high. Nothing radically life changing or mentally/emotionally/spiritually profound, and he has tripped a great many times, on many different substances.

I take a reasonable amount and I feel like, one with the universe and the whole nine.

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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: Shad0w]
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well i figured the best opinion i could get was from dr. strassman. i don't feel like it answered my question but it's what i'm going to have to run with.
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Dear ****:

Thank you for your note.

Drug experiences relate to set, and setting, and dose of drug.

Set involves one's state at the time of ingestion, and includes receptor function.  It also includes intention for the experience.

Setting refers to the set of those around you.

And dose of drug can be high, medium, or low.

We found a small number of people very unresponsive to high doses of DMT, so their receptor or metabolism function was conducive to mild effects - probably a high enough dose and their responses would have been more typical.

Will-power can overcome drug effects, too, so set can have a major impact on the experience.

I hope that helps.

Best,

Rick Strassman


Shad0w said:
Subconcious, The question isnt "which one of these types of people is better"

It is "why?"

I suppose it is a lot along the same lines as why two people can go into a church, one of them will have some sort of profound event happen that causes them to become "believers".

While the other person just heard some guy talking and a bunch of people singing.........

But, really I have no idea what the difference is.

My friend is like that, he can take MASSIVE doses..... but in the end all that is happening is he is getting high. Nothing radically life changing or mentally/emotionally/spiritually profound, and he has tripped a great many times, on many different substances.

I take a reasonable amount and I feel like, one with the universe and the whole nine.


yeah exactly. i want to get to the bottom of it.


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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: JackofSpades]
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JackofSpades said:
Subconscious said:
JackofSpades said:
I took psychedelics to learn truth. Thats what I've seen.



[quote[:rolleyes:

What "truths" have you seen, exactly?


Experiencing a higher form of reality. Dissolution of boundary. Ego death.

Experience of oneness.


Go ahead and roll your eyes--you clearly have never opened them.



I've experienced all these things as well, and while they're interesting/amazing/magical I don't see how you can call it "truth"

It seems like you don't even know what that word means... and are just throwing it around to make yourself look more meaningful and important than you really are.

so, yeah... :rolleyes:

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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: Subconscious]
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i think you're just misunderstanding him. if you really knew what he was talking about you wouldn't have written that.


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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: Subconscious]
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Maybe you should read more about Eastern philosophy and what it says about God and the concept of "oneness"...

I think you're ignorant and feel the need to put down my experience because you simply didn't like how I wrote what I wrote.

My experience was mine and it was my own truth. My purpose is not to convince you of anything.


You can only bring a horse to water...


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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: JackofSpades]
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it's pretty cool that dr. strassman got back to me so fast, eh?


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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: dummy]
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How long did it take?

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Re: Why can some of us dose high to see pretty colors and others relatively low to have mystical exper? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
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My first mushroom experience, I was relatively quiet and calm. Even now, when I trip an 1/8th plus, I still "hold my mushrooms" pretty well, and am able to bring myself back to reality if necessary. I bet higher doses, like above 5 grams, would render me to the ground.

Earlier this summer, I introduced one of my friends to mushrooms. He took under a half, about 1.5 grams, and started talking to all the inanimate objects in my room. I kept asking him if he was doing ok, and he didn't seem to understand me. He was FUCKING GONE! Even when he smokes weed, he goes into another fucking dimension so easily! The craziest, and exhausting, psychedelic experience I've helped him through was smoking salvia, after which he tripped for TWO FUCKING HOURS! No joke, he was making no sense for two hours after taking the hit. I've never seen or heard anything like that :grin:

Now he already has very few inhibitions when it comes to abstract thinking. The way he describes things and sees things is VERY different from my other friends. Perhaps his reality is about the same as mine when I'm tripping, so when he trips, he leaves earth :lol:

Just goes to show how effects are VERY dependent on the user.
Myk


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