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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11152068 - 09/29/09 05:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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the cop took her off her bike as it poses an unsafe situation for the pedestrians
the cops are goos stepping down the road and they're doing what they can to obstruct, SHE broke through the police line
In most cities it is illegal to ride a bike on the sidewalk. The only time it is allowed is if you are walking it and not obstructing the path for other pedestrians
A lot of people don't know that though
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: djmako7]
#11153930 - 09/29/09 10:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Someone should consider detonating an aerosol LSD bomb in such an event.
The results would no doubt be hilarious.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11154043 - 09/29/09 10:40 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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shrems said: they trapped these kids in a stairway and gassed 'em:
they deployed gas throughout the campus indiscriminately:
they pushed a girl off her bike who was following dispersal orders:
they tackled this girl for dancing:
it's an open stairwell, anything in the street will drift in, there were no canisters in the stairwell
either way you've got students in a stairwell connected to their residence and squarely on university property who are gassed and unable to escape rioting police forces.
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Prisoner#1 said: dispersal order was given, they didnt comply
dispersing slowly is not a criminal offense and is not grounds for police to attack the kids, even non-lethally. and in several cases the students attacked were on the patios of their own dorms, which is why it's well-known bad practice to raid a college campus without just cause.
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Prisoner#1 said: the cop took her off her bike as it poses an unsafe situation for the pedestrians
she's going with the crowd at walking speed. no need for the cops to shove her.
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the cops are goos stepping down the road and they're doing what they can to obstruct, SHE broke through the police line
huh? she was bashed while dancing in the streets of her college campus, hurting nobody and in fact being careful not to break the police line.
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Prisoner#1 said: anything to excuse the behaviors of the 'victims of police brutality' as opposed to looking at the stupidity of their actions and seeing it for what it is, punk ass kids trying to become the famous victims
i don't think brutality is the best choice of words, but shooting a kid in the back four times who is following orders is at very least not professional. same goes for the videos. they go to show that when faced by the slightest bit of anarchical behavior on the part of just a handful of people, 1) the police commander decides it is a good idea to raid a college campus and 2) individual officers conduct themselves improperly. these system failures call for documentation, and then you have the authorities locking up journalists, which should disturb you.
i'm not surprised any of this happened. you get 4,000 bored cops in a sleepy city and they're going to find trouble. college students are the easiest target.
the political outcome i believe would best serve the nation would be the top cop loses his job, and the g-20 organizers apologize for f**king up the city and the campus.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: moeshroom]
#11154204 - 09/29/09 11:09 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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another student beaten in front of his dorm: http://www.youtube.com/scoopvid8943#play/uploads/8/-cCE9yHrOMo
in fact brutality is a pretty accurate word to describe this police behavior.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: moeshroom]
#11154225 - 09/29/09 11:13 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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shrems said: either way you've got students in a stairwell connected to their residence and squarely on university property who are gassed and unable to escape rioting police forces.
it was a parking deck, it was open on all 4 sides, how would the police have gotten inside their dorms to prevent them from returning, you're seeing what you want to believe, watch the video again
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dispersing slowly is not a criminal offense and is not grounds for police to attack the kids, even non-lethally. and in several cases the students attacked were on the patios of their own dorms, which is why it's well-known bad practice to raid a college campus without just cause.
well, are you saying that these protesters didnt know the consequences of their actions and as of yet there's no evidence of people being 'attacked' on their patios being presented, and even then, common sense tells me to stay indoors when there's 600 cops roaming the streets
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Prisoner#1 said: the cop took her off her bike as it poses an unsafe situation for the pedestrians
she's going with the crowd at walking speed. no need for the cops to shove her.
watch the video again, she's moving slower than the others, almost at a dead stop which is why the cop shoved her from behind, she made it unsafe for others by restricting their movements
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the cops are goos stepping down the road and they're doing what they can to obstruct, SHE broke through the police line
huh? she was bashed while dancing in the streets of her college campus, hurting nobody and in fact being careful not to break the police line.
watch it again, her BF is holding her back, she's dancing, they're goose stepping, she's dancing and gets the nudge, she confronts them, the BF keeps pulling her along, she breaks through the police line, if she were trying not to she would have been several steps ahead and certainly wouldnt have been facing them
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they go to show that when faced by the slightest bit of anarchical behavior on the part of just a handful of people, 1) the police commander decides it is a good idea to raid a college campus and 2) individual officers conduct themselves improperly. these system failures call for documentation, and then you have the authorities locking up journalists, which should disturb you.
had these students had the proper documentation they wouldnt be getting nailed by the cops for unlawful assembly, the city even designated protest zones and they obviously refused to comply with that in order to get their 15 minutes of fame, you have 40 men trying to disperse crowds of 500+, you dont have time to ask each person for their press credentials especially when it takes no more than a few minutes to print one out and laminate it, stick it on a lanyard and hang it on your neck it's all out there on the internet
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i'm not surprised any of this happened. you get 4,000 bored cops in a sleepy city and they're going to find trouble. college students are the easiest target.
the political outcome i believe would best serve the nation would be the top cop loses his job, and the g-20 organizers apologize for f**king up the city and the campus.
2000 bored students and 700 cops trying to prevent damage to private and public property, the cops arent the only culprits, if people didnt protest retarded events like this then the cops wouldnt be out in riot gear, they certainly arent doing it for fun with the protesters are
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: moeshroom]
#11154241 - 09/29/09 11:17 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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shrems said: another student beaten in front of his dorm: http://www.youtube.com/scoopvid8943#play/uploads/8/-cCE9yHrOMo
in fact brutality is a pretty accurate word to describe this police behavior.
who got beat?
I saw someone told to get the fuck on and another one shoved up some stairs... where's the beating
just look at how horrible the cops are, they're asking people not to throw gas, giving them advice on how to avoid the 'brutality' it's just terrible, they need to take his badge!
http://www.youtube.com/scoopvid8943#play/uploads/6/QX_HtL-R2cg
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11154278 - 09/29/09 11:23 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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shrems said: either way you've got students in a stairwell connected to their residence and squarely on university property who are gassed and unable to escape rioting police forces.
it was a parking deck, it was open on all 4 sides, how would the police have gotten inside their dorms to prevent them from returning, you're seeing what you want to believe, watch the video again
parking deck? check your eyes brotha
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dispersing slowly is not a criminal offense and is not grounds for police to attack the kids, even non-lethally. and in several cases the students attacked were on the patios of their own dorms, which is why it's well-known bad practice to raid a college campus without just cause.
well, are you saying that these protesters didnt know the consequences of their actions and as of yet there's no evidence of people being 'attacked' on their patios being presented, and even then, common sense tells me to stay indoors when there's 600 cops roaming the streets
yes two of those videos show students attacked on their patios.
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Prisoner#1 said: the cop took her off her bike as it poses an unsafe situation for the pedestrians
she's going with the crowd at walking speed. no need for the cops to shove her.
watch the video again, she's moving slower than the others, almost at a dead stop which is why the cop shoved her from behind, she made it unsafe for others by restricting their movements
unsafe how?
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the cops are goos stepping down the road and they're doing what they can to obstruct, SHE broke through the police line
huh? she was bashed while dancing in the streets of her college campus, hurting nobody and in fact being careful not to break the police line.
watch it again, her BF is holding her back, she's dancing, they're goose stepping, she's dancing and gets the nudge, she confronts them, the BF keeps pulling her along, she breaks through the police line, if she were trying not to she would have been several steps ahead and certainly wouldnt have been facing them
i've watched it a couple times. she knew what was coming to her but it doesn't change the fact that the police response was out of line.
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they go to show that when faced by the slightest bit of anarchical behavior on the part of just a handful of people, 1) the police commander decides it is a good idea to raid a college campus and 2) individual officers conduct themselves improperly. these system failures call for documentation, and then you have the authorities locking up journalists, which should disturb you.
had these students had the proper documentation they wouldnt be getting nailed by the cops for unlawful assembly, the city even designated protest zones and they obviously refused to comply with that in order to get their 15 minutes of fame, you have 40 men trying to disperse crowds of 500+, you dont have time to ask each person for their press credentials especially when it takes no more than a few minutes to print one out and laminate it, stick it on a lanyard and hang it on your neck it's all out there on the internet
actually, the journalists arrested were wearing press id. among them was a post-gazette reporter. these arrests occurred after the summit had concluded, by the way.
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don't be a jackass.
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i'm not surprised any of this happened. you get 4,000 bored cops in a sleepy city and they're going to find trouble. college students are the easiest target.
the political outcome i believe would best serve the nation would be the top cop loses his job, and the g-20 organizers apologize for f**king up the city and the campus.
2000 bored students and 700 cops trying to prevent damage to private and public property, the cops arent the only culprits, if people didnt protest retarded events like this then the cops wouldnt be out in riot gear, they certainly arent doing it for fun with the protesters are
i am specifically concerned about police violence toward non-protesting college students going about their business on campus.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: Prisoner#1]
#11154319 - 09/29/09 11:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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shrems said: another student beaten in front of his dorm: http://www.youtube.com/scoopvid8943#play/uploads/8/-cCE9yHrOMo
in fact brutality is a pretty accurate word to describe this police behavior.
who got beat?
I saw someone told to get the fuck on and another one shoved up some stairs... where's the beating
just look at how horrible the cops are, they're asking people not to throw gas, giving them advice on how to avoid the 'brutality' it's just terrible, they need to take his badge!
http://www.youtube.com/scoopvid8943#play/uploads/6/QX_HtL-R2cg
shoved via repeated blows by a billy club.
the cops chose to raid the campus without just cause. students' rights were plainly violated.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: moeshroom]
#11154617 - 09/30/09 12:25 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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LMAO those YouTube videos are gone now...
I guess the powers that be also own YouTube!
If I'm not mistaken, I believe the G20 Summit itself is against The Constitution and could be considered Treasonous if any government officials participate in this type of secrecy.
Is the summit televised or totally secret??
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#11155075 - 09/30/09 01:53 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I can't help but feel that some people here would form a different opinion if it were cops hassling the OIHC protesters.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: ScavengerType]
#11155398 - 09/30/09 05:23 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I live in pittsburgh. anarchists were assholes but it was scary to how much pittsburgh started to resemble Iran with all the riot cops and shit.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: Seuss]
#11155698 - 09/30/09 08:01 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seuss said: Then speak to me as a mature, responsible, intelligent adult...... I'll support the opposite side, regardless of what I believe, out of pure spite.
I thought you wanted to be regarded as a mature, responsible, intelligent adult?
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: fireworks_god]
#11156038 - 09/30/09 09:32 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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> I thought you wanted to be regarded as a mature, responsible, intelligent adult?
Nope. I never asked to be regarded as anything.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#11156081 - 09/30/09 09:44 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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If I'm not mistaken, I believe the G20 Summit itself is against The Constitution and could be considered Treasonous if any government officials participate in this type of secrecy.
What part of the Constitution does this violate?
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: Redstorm]
#11156097 - 09/30/09 09:48 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I forget which part exactly, but there is a part of allegiance to secret organizations, and the like...
It's why George Bush should have been impeached because he's been knighted by The Queen.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#11158018 - 09/30/09 03:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not aware of such a section, but if you can find it, I would be very surprised.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: Redstorm]
#11158110 - 09/30/09 03:57 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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actually I've heard of this before. It's a major thing all over the world, secret societies are generally frowned upon by governments, as they often represent threats to free society and state power structures. In midevil Europe many areas met belonging to such a society punishable by death regardless of one's occupation.
However, since the skull and bones society is quite well known about I'm not sure they are considered a secret society.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: ScavengerType]
#11158362 - 09/30/09 04:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Just because governments don't like something doesn't mean that it is therefore unconstitutional. In fact, because governments don't like certain things is why we need a Constitutions.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: Redstorm]
#11158376 - 09/30/09 04:46 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure it's in the american constitution, it's in plenty of other constitutions and founding documents of other nations as well.
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Re: Peaceful G20 Protesters Have No First Amendment Rights [Re: ScavengerType]
#11158395 - 09/30/09 04:48 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Could you show me one of these clauses? At least in the US Constitution, it seems like a clause like this would conflict with the expressly stated freedom of association.
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