suimush said:

dont get a bunch? i have a problem with stopping when i get plastered. Im not violent or anything, just retarded and after i blackout i want to drink ALL the alcohol.

but i drink about 4-5 beers a day more if im trying to get drunk. but most days i get a 4 pack and nurse it all night.

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Radar said:

AA + completely changing your circle of friends

BTW How did you fit that much liquid in your system?? - you are talking about 615 oz of beer alone. Plus another 50 of wine.  I couldn't do that with water.

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I used to drink 1/4 keg + 3 40ozs + pint of gin + half a box of wine in a night and still be standing in the morning.(not counting sips I bummed off other people's drinks)

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subject said:

sounds like a very high dose of an entheogen of some sort could help you sort some stuff out.
hallucinogens can help people beat addiction by letting them analyze their behavior from a radical perspective

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Doctor_Dick said:

instead of drinking take like a low dose of mushrooms. you wont need to drink as much to have fun.

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It's like I have this certain thirst that only a cold beer can quench.

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RoosterCogburn said:

Personally, the OP sounds like an alcoholic, and should probably avoid booze alltogether. But, figuring out for yourself that moderation really is the key to fun drinking.

Buy better beer too... Have one or two 11% barleywines instead of 10 piss waters.

Respect the brew!!

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MisterMuscaria said:

I used to be a big beer connoisseur and buy the high quality shit until I drank myself into poverty.

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Then you clearly have no control, and should probably stop taking drugs. It's a shitty answer, and most likely not what you want to hear...

Drug use is (SHOULD BE) serious business, and some people simply can't handle it. Nothing personal against you... but some people can't drink milk, some can't eat shrimp, and some can't handle alcohol properly.

It's just the way it is.

MisterMuscaria said:

I dont have a problem with other drugs at all. I do opiates maybe a dozen times a year; smoke herb a couple times a week and dont touch uppers.

I cant handle alcohol and Ive accepted that.

I think this is the end of my drinking days though.

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Radar said:

MisterMuscaria said:

I dont have a problem with other drugs at all. I do opiates maybe a dozen times a year; smoke herb a couple times a week and dont touch uppers.

I cant handle alcohol and Ive accepted that.

I think this is the end of my drinking days though.

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In the course of this thread - just a few short hours you've gone from "I'm willing to do anything" to "I THINK this is the end of my drinking" .

Until you are really REALLY ready to quit you won't be able to.  Unfortunately you cant do it in small steps - that doesn't work. 

I'm not saying you should stop drinking - as long as you are having fun go for it. That's the point.  BUT IF you do feel like its no longer fun and you can't stop the merry go round then you can not take baby steps - its all or nothing.



Oh, and unfortunately you will have to quit EVERYTHING.

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Cognitive_Shift said:

Or they are scared because they are pussies

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No, we are just grown up with grown up attitudes about reponsible drinking... You and your friends sound like the people who should be scared.

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"I don't know how to have fun unless im drunk"

we all get the shakes, insomnia, anxiety when we don't drink at night

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Sounds really fun!

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I used to drink 1/4 keg + 3 40ozs + pint of gin + half a box of wine in a night and still be standing in the morning.(not counting sips I bummed off other people's drinks)

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Cognitive_Shift said:

I think for the most part people that do stop are either scared of what they are like when they get drunk.  Or they are scared because they are pussies

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MisterMuscaria said:

That was over exaggeration on the 1/4 keg. I only had about 5 big gulps full of beer off that.
I only had about 1/4 of the box of wine.
It was still a shitton to drink.

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c0sm0nautt said:

I'm sorry but no one can drink that much...

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You would be VERY surprised to see how much some people can drink... It does seem inhuman.

If someone (an alcoholic) builds up a large tolerance to alcohol on top of an already tough genetic tolerance... They can drink insane amounts of alcohol. INSANE AMOUNTS.

It's kinda like oxy pills... people with huge tolerance can EASILY gobble up what would kill a normal person without their body pitching a fit (puking).

In my heyday, I would easily drink 20+ bottles of Miller Lite at a party along with shots... On my 21st birthday I drank 30+ drinks and threatened to beat up my karate instructor.

c0sm0nautt said:

MisterMuscaria said:

That was over exaggeration on the 1/4 keg. I only had about 5 big gulps full of beer off that.
I only had about 1/4 of the box of wine.
It was still a shitton to drink.

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Alright so you got wasted... we've all been there. But 5 gulps of a keg is more like 1/125 than 1/4... lol

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c0sm0nautt said:

But 5 gulps of a keg is more like 1/125 than 1/4... lol

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He means 7-11 Big Gulps.

RoosterCogburn said:

In my heyday, I would easily drink 20+ bottles of Miller Lite at a party along with shots... On my 21st birthday I drank 30+ drinks and threatened to beat up my karate instructor.

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NubeEnLaMontana said:

or, possibly, they don't like feeling like shit all the time.  Maybe showing up at work and seeing the next 8 hours of fierce hangover stretched out in front of them sucks.  That was a pretty big factor for me.

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MisterMuscaria said:

If 3 wine coolers a week ruin your life youve got bigger problems than alcohol.

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Cognitive_Shift said:

I don't know what to tell ya man.  Me and my group of friends drink pretty much everyday, we all get the shakes, insomnia, anxiety when we don't drink at night.  And my alcohol use isn't "i need to drink to escape reality" its more of "I don't know how to have fun unless im drunk"  Good luck man, i don't know what to tell you, i don't get how people can half 3-4 drinks and stop.  I think for the most part people that do stop are either scared of what they are like when they get drunk.  Or they are scared because they are pussies

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How can some people only have 2-3 drinks socially and stop right there? What is your secret?

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Alcohol would fucking DESTROY me if I abused it. I do not drink to the point of loosing my bearings. I rarely drink at all. I have a bigger problem holding my milk, than my booze.

I'm living your dream of moderation. I typically drink one glass a week on average, so 4-5 in a month. I'm 36 years old. Me drinking more than ten glasses of alcohol in a sitting? That happened four or five times in my life.

1-5 glasses, thats it for me.

I drink for flavor, and a mild intoxication. I have a bottle of delicious high-end Absinthe. Stupid-expensive absinthe. What Were You Thinking-expensive. I can afford it; it will last me several years. I drink one glass at most and savor the shit out of it. Finish my glass, I'm done.

I think what happens to you is that you give yourself effective excuses to let gluttony take over.  "If so and so, then to hell with it"

I have that a bit with MDMA. Put a gram in front of me right now, and tomorrow at the same time come back and there isn;'t a milligram left, just an elatedly grinning obese guy who obviously hasnt slept, showered or eaten in 24 hours I wouldnt even regret it properly, nor would I have gotten sick. (2-3 days after is another story tho)

My solution: theres not a milligram of MDMA in my house, unless its intended for immediate consumption. I don't seek out connections for it.

I took it last, at christmas and I'm skipping a year so only around next christmas will I and my friends imbide again.

I think I'm about 2 ounces away from the point where MDMA's benefits will outweigh the negatives, and plan to stretch that.


What you should do is tell you friends you love them and all, but that you';ll avoid them if any kind of drinking is involved. Alcohol is destroying you, continue on this path and you'll turn into a sickly tard. Brain damage, a ton of ailments all at once.

Avoid drinking situations, break the abuse pattern. Its one of the hardest things that can be asked of you but if you do, you saved your life. The ante is high but so is the reward.

AA can help, but in the end its you who has to do the work and say to yourself: 
THIS IS DESTROYING ME, I WON'T DRINK A SINGLE GLASS EVER AGAIN.

I don't believe in moderation with your drinking, or my smoking. If you quit, quit 100%.

MisterMuscaria said:

How can some people only have 2-3 drinks socially and stop right there? What is your secret?

Ive tried everything to quit. Cold turkey, weaning, benzos, not buying it, consuming only beer(no liquor, wine, etc), sweats, workouts, liver detoxifying, psilocybin, lsd, not going to bars, etc, etc, etc.

I am so pathetic I want to kill myself. Everyone else knows it too.

Im no longer on month long binges; but like Ill make it like half a week to a week tops and then Ill buckle.
It's always when someone(a heavy drinker) offers to hang out. I go over there with full knowledge of whats gonna happen(this is probably where I fuck up). They persuade me into having one drink. Before I know it I am TANKED and I black out.

It's sick and I hate myself for it. I try so hard not to drink. It sounds fucking easy "just dont drink" why the fuck cant I resist it?

I drank on monday the 7th; I was able to make it all the way until Tuesday the 15th when a friend offered me beer. I ended up drinking a case(split between 2 of us) that night; and a case the next night. I only intended on having a couple and I drank about 18+. The next day I also drank more of the case than he did; and I chugged the rum.

I detoxed, sweat, etc. I made it until Tuesday the 22nd and I fucked up again. I was driving by and I saw my friend at the liquor store. I thought Id "pop in and say hi"; idiot me. I go in there he's all "hey man Im buying a 40" so I say well heck they are on sale Ill get a couple tallboys. I buy the tallboys go back to his place and drink with him. Another friend of his comes over and talks about getting a 12 pack. I offer to drive him there thinking "I cant let him walk" but really Im thinking "well Ive already got 2 in me; no harm". I end up drinking 7 of those.

What's the secret to not drinking? Im not having month long binges anymore but I DONT WANT TO DRINK AT ALL.

I do not enjoy being wasted (every time I drink I get wasted; I try limiting but it doesn't work), I dont enjoy being drunk, I dont enjoy being around drunk people and I dont even like being mildly buzzed.

When I first started drinking I drank to get rid of social anxiety but I dont have that anymore. It's like I have this certain thirst that only a cold beer can quench. It's like I go on autopilot as soon as I have that ONE drink and by the end of the night Im sloshed.

Again; as I said; I dont buy it anymore. It's usually my "friends" who buy me free booze so that they can have someone along to validate their own drinking. I dont even ask them; I am usually hesitant first and they give me the whole "oh c'mon you can have one" like youve seen in the movies.



Ive already made it SOME ground; I used to drink 1/4 keg + 3 40ozs + pint of gin + half a box of wine in a night and still be standing in the morning.(not counting sips I bummed off other people's drinks)



Im willing to do whatever it takes to quit for good. Should I cut off my friendships with these people? I know I cant even be around alcohol or I drink it.

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subject said:

sounds like a very high dose of an entheogen of some sort could help you sort some stuff out.
hallucinogens can help people beat addiction by letting them analyze their behavior from a radical perspective

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While this is very true, its bad advice in this situation because he is already aware its a problem.

I dont know what to say man. I started only having a glass of wine a night because I was sick of the effects from over drinking. The hangover the next day, lack of control, inability to function.....are all reasons why I drink in moderation. That and constant acid reflux from growing up and throwing up due to alcohol have gave me an ulcer in my esophagus. Now every time my acid reflux acts up I have minor stabbing pain in my throat/chest area


Its funny but all the times I made major life changes was when I had a metaphorical gun to my head.

I decided school was important once I was shipped a thousand miles away from home and placed in a bootcamp type environment where school was how you earned your freedom.

I decided maybe drugs should be used in Moderation when I was placed on probation and not allowed to have any drugs or risked jail time

I decided moderation with alcohol was important once I noticed a few health problems

I changed my view on how "important" the psychedelic experience really is; once I started noticing how weird my thoughts/world views were getting.

I noticed how important it is to control your women, once I realized girls have no idea what the fuck they are doing and need a man to dominate and make sure they dont run their lifes/relationship into the ground




Dont wait until your life has serious consequences emerging in order to change shit. HOwever if thats what it takes.....theres nothing wrong with that but your gonna have to pick up the pieces. Dont wait until you get a DUI or need a liver transplant to change your ways.

Good luck, I have faith in you. You would be surprised how motivating fear can be ....but allowing yourself to be motivated by good intentions is allot better/enjoyable than fear

Tea said:

I noticed how important it is to control your women, once I realized girls have no idea what the fuck they are doing and need a man to dominate and make sure they dont run their lifes/relationship into the ground

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The study involved 103 alcoholics over a three month period. Of the 103 heavy drinkers, 55 were given topiramate, while 48 were given a placebo. Both groups received counseling throughout the trial. The results of the study included:

After 3 months, 13 out of the 55 in the topiramate group, or 24 percent, had abstained continuously for a month. Only two out of 48 in the placebo group, or 4 percent, had a month sober.
In the topiramate group, 28 out of 55, or 50 percent, did not binge in the final month, compared with eight out of 48, or 16 percent, of those taking the placebo. Those taking the drug were nearly four times less likely to binge.
Half of the topiramate group reported less craving for alcohol, compared to a 15 percent in the placebo group.

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I believe it is non prescription and you can buy it online or in some pharmacies

Also if the herb high will help you not drink, try some JWH-018 if you havent already, its cheap as hell, easy to get, safe (going by current research) and JUST like a weed high


My only advice on the subject though is this, if you are serious about trying to quit something then you have to commit 100% and just tell yourself, fuck this I dont want to poison myself there are much better ways to feel good that arent killing you on the inside

Once again, Good luck.

~~Ryan

Swyfty Swyf said:

I thought you had a good post there for a minute, but you managed to Tea it up somehow:

Tea said:

I noticed how important it is to control your women, once I realized girls have no idea what the fuck they are doing and need a man to dominate and make sure they dont run their lifes/relationship into the ground

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Tea said:

I noticed how important it is to control your women, once I realized girls have no idea what the fuck they are doing and need a man to dominate and make sure they dont run their lifes/relationship into the ground:

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Tea said:

I noticed how important it is to control your women, once I realized girls have no idea what the fuck they are doing and need a man to dominate and make sure they dont run their lifes/relationship into the ground:

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