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Too Many Supplements?
    #11109980 - 09/23/09 01:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

So guys Ive started taking a bunch of supplements and I cant help but wonder if they might cause negative reactions with each other once combined. I take the following for the following reasons


Yerba Mate (strong tea used to wake me up.....suspected mild MAOI properties)
Hops (supposedly helps anxiety)
Valerian Root (help induce sleep)
Chamomile (help anxiety)
L Theanine (suspected to induce "relaxing" effect in Tea)
Ginseng Complex (contains 4 varieties of ginseng to give energy and help anxiety)
Multivitamin
Passion Flower extract
(for anxiety....suspected to contain mild MAOI properties)


Obviously this is allot, and im worried about how they may affect one eachother. Especially because ive read Yerba Mate and Passion Flower are supposed to be mild MAOI's. Will all these produce bad results if mixed with a glass of wine? Or some Kratom?


Thoughts???? Experiences????/


On a side topic, anyone know why the supplement market is so loosely controlled here in America?


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #11110004 - 09/23/09 01:19 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well, at least they're just plants, not really supplements. Except the multivitamin.

Doesn't seem like any combination could be too bad for you.

I'm not sure though, I'll let someone else handle that :lol:

The only experience I have is that I drink Yerba Mate and Chamomile every day. No side effects, lol.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Brugman]
    #11110046 - 09/23/09 01:26 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, at least they're just plants, not really supplements. Except the multivitamin.

Doesn't seem like any combination could be too bad for you.

I'm not sure though, I'll let someone else handle that :lol:

The only experience I have is that I drink Yerba Mate and Chamomile every day. No side effects, lol.





Im starting to wish I never found Yerba Mate......Im seriously addicted to this stuff. I can not function the same way without it. If I dont get my gourd of Mate after a few days I start getting pissed and irritable. I get headaches, I cant stop thinking about Yerba Mate, and am tired ALL THE TIME!

When I drink it though im the exact opposite. Im FULL of energy, and practically high off the experience. Ive reached LSD states of bliss while running with my IPOD and an excessive amount of mate.

At first I thought it was a God sent. It was a form of Caffeine that people with anxiety could drink constantly without any ill effects. However im noticing that Coffee will cause your muscles to tense up and make your mind race....while Yerba Mate causes your muscles to relax and your mind to race. Thus I could still be completely anxious, however my body is responding as if im completely relaxed and content.

Beware, dont get hooked on this crap. You all may think this is a joke, but I had more fun quitting smoking than I did this stuff :crazy2:


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #11110091 - 09/23/09 01:34 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the warning, but it's been about 5 years.

It's different than caffeine IME. So much more "mellow", yet more energizing.

I know this chick, she is a huge Mate junkie. She doesn't do any drugs or drink. I'd run into her at shows, and she'd be like "I'm so stoked!! I'm so yerbed up right now!!".

It's like she got super high off the shit.

So yeah, it's a pretty powerful stimulant I guess. I love it, personally!


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Brugman]
    #11110099 - 09/23/09 01:35 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

new age hippies and their herbal supplements :nonono:


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: the bizzle]
    #11110134 - 09/23/09 01:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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new age hippies and their herbal supplements :nonono:




Call me a Hippie if you must......but New Age is a bullshit movement


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #11110144 - 09/23/09 01:45 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

it was a joke


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: the bizzle]
    #11110170 - 09/23/09 01:49 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Take out Herbe Mate (trust me.) that shit is not meant to be taken everyday IME. As for the rest of the stuff, maybe alternate weekly on and off if you want to. IMO though a lot of that stuff can be substituted for better supplements/nootropics that are more beneficial. 


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #11110371 - 09/23/09 02:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

man. you really got nothin to worry about. wanna see my list that i take everyday?

vitamin C 2000mgs
vitamin b complex
vitamin e
muti-vitamin
zinc
magnesium
calcium
potassium
chromium picolinate
iron
mushroom complex
garlic supplement
immune support supplement

and some kind of brain food thing. i forget the name of it but i make it into a shake along with a protein mix. it helps with workouts too so i usually take that every other day.

so i think you got nothing to worry about.. ive been taking all that shit everyday for atleast 6 years now n the only negative reaction i get is an upset stomach if i dnt eat before i take all that shit. hope that answers ur question haha


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: tripp23]
    #11110392 - 09/23/09 02:36 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

but those are all vitamins, not herbal supplements


i took valerian root once and got the worst kidney pain of my entire life. fuckign horrible

i took too much ginger root for too long and fucked up my esophagus for a while...it basically felt like i was having a heart attack all day long for over a week...i couldnt even take a sip of water without feeling the most excrutiating pain. It was absolutely horrible. i still take ginger root daily usually, but not nearly as much, and never without a meal

yerba mate is definitely the first one to get rid of/cut down on though for sure

i think the chamomile is perfectly fine though. Chamomile is :thumbup:


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: tripp23]
    #11110394 - 09/23/09 02:37 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Lol I know what you mean about the yerba. Dont even get me started, now that its been mentioned I havent had any in awhile WTF :crankey::minigun:


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Enthrall]
    #11110400 - 09/23/09 02:39 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

is this yerbe mate worth it?? how well will it stimulate me compaired to coffee?? i wanna try it.. n hows the taste??


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: tripp23]
    #11110411 - 09/23/09 02:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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is this yerbe mate worth it?? how well will it stimulate me compaired to coffee?? i wanna try it.. n hows the taste??




compared to coffee it's dangerous, and has worse side effects.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: tripp23]
    #11110418 - 09/23/09 02:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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is this yerbe mate worth it?? how well will it stimulate me compaired to coffee?? i wanna try it.. n hows the taste??




Taste is acquired! Once you get past that.. damn. Its got a kick. Kind of reminds me of a nicotine buzz. Iv almost tripped on this stuff. A gourd full and 2 liters later, tunnel vision, and i had to sit down. Went to sleep that night and couldnt feel my limbs, heart felt relaxed almost and felt floaty. It packs a punch but its addictive i think.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: the bizzle]
    #11110420 - 09/23/09 02:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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is this yerbe mate worth it?? how well will it stimulate me compaired to coffee?? i wanna try it.. n hows the taste??




compared to coffee it's dangerous, and has worse side effects.




Lol where did you get this info? :lol:


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Enthrall]
    #11110435 - 09/23/09 02:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

personal experience, as well as the experience of others who have done it with me. Also there are enough reports of negative experiences with it on the net. Some people are much more sensitive to it than others

what the hell are you laughing at anyways, I said compared to coffee

ever heard the expression better safe than sorry? it saves lives to know the risks of any substance. That doesnt mean I am fear mongering either


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: the bizzle]
    #11110446 - 09/23/09 02:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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personal experience, as well as the experience of others who have done it with me. Also there are enough reports of negative experiences with it on the net. Some people are much more sensitive to it than others

what the fuck are you laughing at anyways, I said compared to coffee




I do some what agree with you. I was laughing because I thought you meant in a different way kind of unhealthy. But yeah its way more powerful than a cup of coffee, can leave you feeling drained the next day if you dont have a fix, that stimulation is on the verge of uncomfortable. Yes through my experience with yerba it can be negative and overwhelming.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: the bizzle]
    #11110449 - 09/23/09 02:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

God damn man. Not fear mongering? You're making it seem like some bad ass drug.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: the bizzle]
    #11110454 - 09/23/09 02:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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ever heard the expression better safe than sorry? it saves lives to know the risks of any substance. That doesnt mean I am fear mongering either




That's cool. I just wish someone would come along with some proof about the negative effects of Mate. I really wanna read about them.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Brugman]
    #11110455 - 09/23/09 02:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

^Yerba Mate is no joke.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Enthrall]
    #11110457 - 09/23/09 02:54 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

lol...excuse what seemed like harsh language. I do like to promote the use of caution (not fear, just caution), and knowing the dangers of substances that CAN be possibly dangerous. I'm not saying it's all bad, but it's definitely something the user should be knowledgeable about. That is all


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Enthrall]
    #11110463 - 09/23/09 02:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yerba mate is serious business :crazy: I think he was comparing coffees effects to yerba. In terms of stimulation.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: the bizzle]
    #11110537 - 09/23/09 03:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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it was a joke



Falling into the hippie trap is no joke.:nonono:


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11110543 - 09/23/09 03:17 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if he uses a mason jar to help wash all those supplements down


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: the bizzle]
    #11110548 - 09/23/09 03:19 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

No way, he drinks out of a gourd bro'.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Enthrall]
    #11110553 - 09/23/09 03:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone really:

tHERES A BIG PROBLEM with taking random supplements.


Instead of yerba mate try drinking some maté tea in the morning instead of coffee, its a much smaller jolt to the system, yet great tasting and refreshing.

You dont need vitamins unless you have an identifiable deficiency.
Many multivitamins are such bull shit you wouldn't believe.
First if you dont by the most expensive ones (time release) your body will only absorb what it can before you piss the rest out. Most of the claims on the bottle are FALSE! They may mix up the said quantity of ingredients but what goes into an individual pill varies wildly. A whole bottle of pills may only have trace ammounts of what they claim should be the RDA for a specific ingredient. It's alright for them, they legally arn't required to back up their claims unless they claim that the pill will treat or cure an illness.  Read that again.

Whats worse is people that self proscribe themselves fat soluble vitamins (A,D,E,K)
They dont get pissed out, and if you take to many of certain ones, they can actually become toxic.   

Is there a specific reason ya'll are taking supplements?
Im really curious to see if you think your getting some long term benefit, im willing to bet none of you are. 
Almost every american diet is full of vitamins. They enrich common food sources with everything you need.
If your eating two bowls of cereal and two servings of meats (fish/steak) a week your getting more than enough of every maintenance vitamin.

There are a few V's that are commonly depleted by illnesses or in certain population groups, any of which you would be aware of already. For instance women over 40 should probably seek out sources of calcium because they are at risk of becoming deficient. Thats why there are so many products enriched with calcium like cereal, milk, and orange juice just to name a few.

The rest of you are literally pissing away your money taking centrum equivalents.
Many of the feel good supplements have strong affects like Yohimbe, ephedra, DHEA, creatine, and maté, but if you don't work out whats the point of taking them? Your basically either gaining fat production, ability to stay awake when your muscles are pumping to many toxins, or your just going to retain water.

many problems are person specific like when Daryl Kyle's heart exploded from working out on mega doses of ephedrine.

If your really concerned about your body make sure your eating fish once a week and pleanty of green leafy vegetables (raw.) Most supplements dont contain the nutrients you can get from eating salad... period.

Bottom line: if your in america and you eat regularly you have NO NEED FOR EXTRA VITAMINS.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: rodfarva]
    #11110580 - 09/23/09 03:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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but if you don't work out whats the point of taking them?

Bottom line: if your in america and you eat regularly you have NO NEED FOR EXTRA VITAMINS.




You do realize the brain is like a muscle too right?


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #11110586 - 09/23/09 03:33 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I am well supplemented with MSG, hydrogenated oils, and high fructose corn syrup

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    #11110592 - 09/23/09 03:34 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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but if you don't work out whats the point of taking them?

Bottom line: if your in america and you eat regularly you have NO NEED FOR EXTRA VITAMINS.




You do realize the brain is like a muscle too right?




Did that statement have a point?


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    #11110678 - 09/23/09 04:06 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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but if you don't work out whats the point of taking them?

Bottom line: if your in america and you eat regularly you have NO NEED FOR EXTRA VITAMINS.




You do realize the brain is like a muscle too right?




Did that statement have a point?




CLEARLY, the point is that even if you don't work out physically. The fact that you use psychedelics or any substance for that matter, is almost like working out your brain. Therefore meaning, you will actually utilize the extra vitamins, supplements, nootropics whereas a person who doesn't experiment with substances won't.

Vitamins and Supplementation is very important, you just have to be cautious. It is a part of harm reduction.


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    #11110795 - 09/23/09 05:17 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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    #11111435 - 09/23/09 10:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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BiG_StroOnZ said:
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rodfarva said:
but if you don't work out whats the point of taking them?

Bottom line: if your in america and you eat regularly you have NO NEED FOR EXTRA VITAMINS.




You do realize the brain is like a muscle too right?




Did that statement have a point?




CLEARLY, the point is that even if you don't work out physically. The fact that you use psychedelics or any substance for that matter, is almost like working out your brain. Therefore meaning, you will actually utilize the extra vitamins, supplements, nootropics whereas a person who doesn't experiment with substances won't.

Vitamins and Supplementation is very important, you just have to be cautious. It is a part of harm reduction.




Wow, im surprised im humoring this one. Comparing the brain to a muscle is like comparing a processor to a hard disk. They're both inside the white case right?

The only supplements iv'e heard anything positive about concerning drug use are these:

Take a good B complex vitamin if you DON'T EAT regularly and do nitrous.
I've also heard/had success with b vitamins after long binges while altering my diet or not eating for three + days.
Im not saying it kills hangovers, but one less thing ya know...

Second, if your going to bring up 5-hydroxy-tryptamine- i will say i like taking it. I think it has a noticeable effect on mood when im tired, and on my appetite. I think there is a one or two day loading period, before any noticeable effects, and your again PISSING AWAY YOUR MONEY if your not buying the >$30 bottle of the XR 5HTP. (as with any other supliment except vitamins A,D,E, or K. )

You anti-grammaticaly brought up harm reduction. Which harms are you referring to, because i havent seen any conclusive analysis about drugs causing vitamin deficiencies on their own. Other than the nitrous thing, or certain Pharm's that are by no means recreational. Sometimes you will find highly deficient junkies, but the drug didnt cause it, the drug caused them to not eat. (Meth, H, blow.)

If you eat cereal, red meat and occasionally fish %95 of you are getting all of your vitamin needs, AND THEN SOME. Even if you take drugs and shit.

If you want to "work out your brain" try some books. There aint nothing you can buy at a pharmacy to increase your penis size, brain function, or complexion.

Dumb shits (not saying you are, just guessing you are) out there will buy almost anything. 
I've seen people take vitamin E for their skin, dumbfucks... there is no benefit from an excess of metabolized vitamin E, It only may help if applied directly to the skin.

Every major vitamin outlet sells Co-Q10 otherwise known as Ubiquital. No one is quite sure of a complete list of what the body needs this for but one thing is for sure: ITS EVERYWHERE! Fuck me, it's even called Ubiquitol as in UBIQUITOUS - ITS FUCKING EVERY WHERE. Even some starving somolian has a similar % of Co-q10 as you, yet they sell millions of $ worth. People in this country are serious sticks.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: rodfarva]
    #11111491 - 09/23/09 11:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There is some serious vitamin discussion going on in this thread. And not one person has answered my main post :sad:


......Im gonna go drink some Chamomile out of a mason jar :rockon:


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #11111512 - 09/23/09 11:28 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:jacked: This is my thread now biotch.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #11111530 - 09/23/09 11:33 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The yerba got me through college. We've even pushed that through a cappuccino machine and it gets you ready to party (or to sit in the library for hours, which is also cool). It can jack up the machine and shoot hot-water everywhere so don't clog the thing too full.

As far as my being helpful to this post...

I also take p-flower, l-theanine, valerian, and chamomile. I haven't noticed any adverse affects but I do worry about the liver and kidney's from time to time. When i take all of those I sleep like a rock and have really vivid dreams (which lately have been involving zombies).


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: reliantself]
    #11111538 - 09/23/09 11:35 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

BTW:

Theanine and valerian are supposed to start working after you take them for a while. So don't expect anything right away. Maybe that's just what the sellers of these products want me to think.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: reliantself]
    #11112024 - 09/23/09 01:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

loading periods cant usually be avoided by taking time release capsules (more$)
Only certain chems like creatine have tru loading periods by nature.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #11112398 - 09/23/09 02:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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And not one person has answered my main post :sad:




I may not have directly answered your question but I did try to contribute. See my post about the too much ginger root leading to feeling like I was having an all day heart attack for a week, I could hardly even swallow water my esophagus hurt so bad. And yes, some herbals are contraindicated, especially with frequent use, so get to know each of them


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: the bizzle]
    #11112533 - 09/23/09 02:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Tea said:
And not one person has answered my main post :sad:




I may not have directly answered your question but I did try to contribute. See my post about the too much ginger root leading to feeling like I was having an all day heart attack for a week, I could hardly even swallow water my esophagus hurt so bad. And yes, some herbals are contraindicated, especially with frequent use, so get to know each of them




For real, did you not read the fucking information i took an hour out of my day to present you.
You are now on my un-grateful bastards list.

heres the simple version:
Multivitamin: usless/dangerous due to fat soluble V's issue and lack of accurate concentrations
also lack of benefits due to no known depletions and probably lack of time release ( you piss %90 out )

Mild MAOI's: If you have a sensitivity you will fuck yourself up hard if you start eating pills everyday.
            If your not sensitive a prolonged use may lead to systemic problems up to or including death.

Do not combine these supplements heavily with any tryptamines.
Dont combine with theanine for that matter. Thats my opinion, i really dont feel like maping out the metabolic pathways for you.

Just use low dose alternatives like mate tea, or yohimbe HCL.
watch your heart rate and blood pressure.

Now answer my questions up there ^^^ ungrateful bastard.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #11112637 - 09/23/09 03:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I just take a multivitamin and some extra b-12 for energy.

I doubt the shit is even helping me any, nothing has really changed that I notice and I've been taking them for about 4 months now.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: highdroponics]
    #11112677 - 09/23/09 03:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)


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I just take a multivitamin and some extra b-12 for energy.

I doubt the shit is even helping me any, nothing has really changed that I notice and I've been taking them for about 4 months now.




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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: rodfarva]
    #11112710 - 09/23/09 03:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You'd have to know me to understand that fully, I'm very unhealthy looking which is why I started taking them, to hopefully help my system figure out whatever the fuck it's trying to do.

I look like a chemo patient is what people tell me, very pale and skinny and I know for a fact that my lifestyle really isn't that unhealthy, everyone around me drinks every night as well as smoke cigarettes, I do neither plus I work out and eat healthy on top of it, something is wrong and I have no time or money for doctors.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: highdroponics]
    #11112991 - 09/23/09 04:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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You'd have to know me to understand that fully, I'm very unhealthy looking which is why I started taking them, to hopefully help my system figure out whatever the fuck it's trying to do.

I look like a chemo patient is what people tell me, very pale and skinny and I know for a fact that my lifestyle really isn't that unhealthy, everyone around me drinks every night as well as smoke cigarettes, I do neither plus I work out and eat healthy on top of it, something is wrong and I have no time or money for doctors.




I could walk you through a few simple (free) steps to identifying a nutrient deficiency.
Stop the random vitamins, if they help you got lucky, thats their potential, and it sounds like you need to worry about $ more than gambling on V's  :/

If you want to take this seriously, i can within the next month analyze what you give me (takes hours...)
You first need to keep a journal for a min of a week (try for 14 days.)
Record, literally everything you eat, smoke, absorb, shoot, and drink in your journal.
Say what time of day, and record when you sleep and work out briefly each time. 
record your weight at the same time each day (you pick, just keep it the same.)
Tell me your hight, age, ethnicity, and any known illness or conditions that run in your family.

I wont try to diagnose whats wrong with you, that would be highly irresponsible of me.
What i am willing to do is speculate as to if you are deficient in a vitamin or nutrient as related to your diet/lifestyle. You could be deficient in something because of an ailment in which case i would not speculate and you should see a Dr. If i can tell you your diet is complete for most people in your demographic, the trip to the Dr. is what you need.

Perhaps your calorie intake and physical activity level is the problem, if thats the case i know easy ways to improve dramatically within 4 weeks even.

Do you think you would make an honest attempt and listen to what i have to say?


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: rodfarva]
    #11113051 - 09/23/09 04:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You kiddin me? I'd do just about anything to look and feel healthy again, I'm tired of feeling this way.

Already started.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: highdroponics]
    #11113091 - 09/23/09 04:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

alright, im willing to help with what i can. Pm or start a new thread when your ready.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: rodfarva]
    #11114269 - 09/23/09 07:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Wow, im surprised im humoring this one. Comparing the brain to a muscle is like comparing a processor to a hard disk. They're both inside the white case right?

The only supplements iv'e heard anything positive about concerning drug use are these:

Take a good B complex vitamin if you DON'T EAT regularly and do nitrous.
I've also heard/had success with b vitamins after long binges while altering my diet or not eating for three  days.
Im not saying it kills hangovers, but one less thing ya know...

Second, if your going to bring up 5-hydroxy-tryptamine- i will say i like taking it. I think it has a noticeable effect on mood when im tired, and on my appetite. I think there is a one or two day loading period, before any noticeable effects, and your again PISSING AWAY YOUR MONEY if your not buying the >$30 bottle of the XR 5HTP. (as with any other supliment except vitamins A,D,E, or K. )

You anti-grammaticaly brought up harm reduction. Which harms are you referring to, because i havent seen any conclusive analysis about drugs causing vitamin deficiencies on their own. Other than the nitrous thing, or certain Pharm's that are by no means recreational. Sometimes you will find highly deficient junkies, but the drug didnt cause it, the drug caused them to not eat. (Meth, H, blow.)

If you eat cereal, red meat and occasionally fish %95 of you are getting all of your vitamin needs, AND THEN SOME. Even if you take drugs and shit.

If you want to "work out your brain" try some books. There aint nothing you can buy at a pharmacy to increase your penis size, brain function, or complexion.

Dumb shits (not saying you are, just guessing you are) out there will buy almost anything. 
I've seen people take vitamin E for their skin, dumbfucks... there is no benefit from an excess of metabolized vitamin E, It only may help if applied directly to the skin.

Every major vitamin outlet sells Co-Q10 otherwise known as Ubiquital. No one is quite sure of a complete list of what the body needs this for but one thing is for sure: ITS EVERYWHERE! Fuck me, it's even called Ubiquitol as in UBIQUITOUS - ITS FUCKING EVERY WHERE. Even some starving somolian has a similar % of Co-q10 as you, yet they sell millions of $ worth. People in this country are serious sticks.




Do you really believe everything you just wrote? You sound like a complete pretentious know-it-all, when the reality is you have your own opinions and nothing more than opinions, yet you state them as facts.

If you know anything about supplementation, then you know what's important and what isn't. What supplements are considered protective, and increase neuro-protectivity thus improving harm reduction and what supplements don't. What supplements everybody should take daily, and what supplements people shouldn't even bother with. However, if you actually believe half the nonsense you wrote, then I feel sorry for the people you give advice to.

Don't go around spreading your opinions as facts... it's lame, and you don't even go about it in an educative manner. You just ramble incessantly, meandering along, not really getting across any valid point other than your arrogance.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #11114993 - 09/23/09 09:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have college professors telling me things, you have what GNC sales people? Randoms at the gym? Health food store?

If my professors are wrong please tell me how, i would love to stump them.

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You sound like a complete pretentious know-it-all, when the reality is you have your own opinions and nothing more than opinions, yet you state them as facts.




Ok, now i know what i sound like.. Sooooo which part was wrong exactly?

hmmm...
let me ask you about this then:
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If you know anything about supplementation, then you know what's important and what isn't. What supplements are considered protective, and increase neuro-protectivity thus improving harm reduction and what supplements don't. What supplements everybody should take daily, and what supplements people shouldn't even bother with. However, if you actually believe half the nonsense you wrote, then I feel sorry for the people you give advice to.




Name one supplement that is "protective" and "increases nuro-productivity." And leave the hippy bull shit out, im talking about a peer reviewed source that isn't related to a web site trying to sell you teh snake oils.

If your deficient in an enzyme or vitamin or mineral supplementing may help.  I said that. Now establish a problem in someone BEFORE you try to fix one.


Wait, why am i arguing that shot you took at me? you haven't made a relevant case against me whatsoever.
If im wrong lets hear what you think "every one should be taking daily."
I REALLLY want to hear this.

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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: rodfarva]
    #11115160 - 09/23/09 09:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/diet.fitness/01/11/hfh.supplements/index.html
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What's the opinion of someone in the know, certified fitness nutrition coach and personal trainer Alyte Piedra? "I don't really encourage supplements for my clients," she said. "Instead I try to get them to get their nutrients from their diet."





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    #11115192 - 09/23/09 09:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

heres some "" from nutrition.gov
http://www.nutrition.gov/nal_display/index.php?info_center=11&tax_level=2&tax_subject=393&level3_id=0&level4_id=0&level5_id=0&topic_id=2041&&placement_default=0
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It is true that healthy individuals can get all of the vitamins and minerals they need from a well balanced diet.



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There are two groups of vitamins, water-soluble and fat-soluble. Water-soluble vitamins (the 8 B vitamins and Vitamin C) can dissolve in water and be excreted by the kidneys. Water-soluble vitamins are not stored by the body (except for vitamin B12, which is stored in the liver). Fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E and K) dissolve in fat and are transported by fat in the body. Excess fat-soluble vitamins are stored in the liver and fat tissue, and are not excreted by the kidney. Because of this storage, they can build up to toxic levels if too much is taken, especially vitamins A and D.





http://nccam.nih.gov/health/supplements/wiseuse.htm
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Keep in mind that although many dietary supplements (and some prescription drugs) come from natural sources, "natural" does not always mean "safe." For example, the herbs comfrey and kava can cause serious harm to the liver.



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Be aware that an herbal supplement may contain dozens of compounds and that its active ingredients may not be known. Researchers are studying many of these products in an effort to identify active ingredients and understand their effects in the body. Also consider the possibility that what's on the label may not be what's in the bottle. Analyses of dietary supplements sometimes find differences between labeled and actual ingredients. For example:

An herbal supplement may not contain the correct plant species.
The amount of the active ingredient may be lower or higher than the label states. That means you may be taking less—or more—of the dietary supplement than you realize.
The dietary supplement may be contaminated with other herbs, pesticides, or metals, or even adulterated with unlabeled ingredients such as prescription drugs.





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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: rodfarva]
    #11117414 - 09/24/09 05:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I have college professors telling me things, you have what GNC sales people? Randoms at the gym? Health food store?





hahahah college professors knowing about supplements/nootropics... just dumb man



and .gov websites...

omg, cnn too...

and to top it all off:

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rodfarva said: be careful because im intending to tear you up.




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    #11117582 - 09/24/09 07:09 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

there are a lot of people in the united states that eat shit, and for them, taking a multi-vitamin is a good idea. they are also good for kids who are growing.

but rodfarva is right the majority of the vitamin/supplement industry is a ripoff.

you know how that first piss after you take a vitamin looks like mountain dew? that's the vitamins getting flushed out of your system. the vitamins you paid $20 for a month's supply.



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tea: those supplements are relatively safe together. excluding the yerba mate the active chemicals are very mild, if not completely placebo, and the active chemical in yerba mate is caffeine.


you are going through caffeine withdrawal.


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Re: Too Many Supplements? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #11117820 - 09/24/09 09:47 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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I have college professors telling me things, you have what GNC sales people? Randoms at the gym? Health food store?





hahahah college professors knowing about supplements/nootropics... just dumb man





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    #11118279 - 09/24/09 12:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You do realize that stating im wrong with out saying why is basically just flaming?

If im really hopeless then why did you bother to respond :shrug:

The sad truth is, even if many people can benefit from some magic you believe in,
the vast majority of people that try it are at an unhealthy weight, or otherwise sick all
the time, not doing well at work etc..

They buy the snake oils instead of working out, living clean and healthy lives, and working harder.
"Hey look this pill makes your brain work better......................................."


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