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 ughhh..new doctor today 
#11104026 - 09/21/09 11:34 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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So today I was set up with a primary doctor(my first in 3 years since being off my mothers insurance), and it was a tad bit troubling. She asks me about my drug usage history and I mention "Psilocybin mushrooms" and she looks a little dumbfounded and asks what that was. I told her they also can be referred to as "shrooms" streetwise and says to me, "I heard of shrooms but what are psilocybin mushrooms?". I guess I kinda figured doctors would have a little mandatory education on this matter. She also suggests to me that although marijuana is natural, it is UNNATURAL to inhale any smoke into my lungs, and tells me that I should consider kicking the habit(I haven't had a puff in over a month). She then asks me if I want a H1N1 vaccine. I instantly say no and she made this weird body gesture as if I was silly for rejecting it so quickly.
I just hope she is a decent doctor.
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If there were no desire to heal The damaged and broken met along
This tedious path I've chosen hereI certainly would've walked away by now.
And I still may ... (sigh) ... I still may.Be patient.
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You should tell her H1N1 vaccine is unnatural.
But yeah personally I don't trust most doctors. Even though my mom is one.
What do you need a doctor for anyway? Do you need heart surgery?
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shes' right about the smoking
it's not good to inhale but it's an effective delivery method
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Lighting anything on fire and inhaling the smoke isn't a good idea.
Why would you tell her you use mushrooms?
Is that in any way relevant?
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If you had just said 'magic mushrooms', she would at least have had a clue. Btw mtt is right, how's it relevant anyway?
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She then asks me if I want a H1N1 vaccine. I instantly say no and she made this weird body gesture as if I was silly for rejecting it so quickly.
She's entitled to her opinion, as are you. Out of pure interest: why didn't you want the vaccine?
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: Greendreams]
#11105741 - 09/22/09 10:24 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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Doctors are definitely not to be trusted. They can be a good resource at times, but fact-checking anything they tell you is necessary.
If you're talking to a psychologist/psychotherapist, mentioning mushrooms is perfectly reasonable (and if they're close-minded on the subject, find a new one), but that's not something a general practitioner has any need to know.
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: koraks]
#11105752 - 09/22/09 10:26 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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its relevant because I have anxiety/stress issues..and fuck the vaccine! in no way do I intend on giving myself a dose of the swine flu virus especially when it is mixed in with mercury and other shit. More deaths were reported due to taking the vaccine and people have also reported becoming autistic months after getting the vaccine. My chances of surviving the flu naturally are pretty high. It's probably only a safer idea to get the vaccine if you are a small child or elderly.
I know inhaling smoke isn't natural but it is far safer IMO than breathing the air from living in this trashy polluted city. I stopped smoking for anxiety issues, but I will give it another whack someday.
I went to the doc because when I went to the ER from that panic attack, I had some chest x-rays done and a small blotch was found in or near my trachea. I had a scan and ultrasound done and there was indeed a little growth(I was scared it was a tumor, which sent my anxiety through the roof!). The ultrasound shows that it seems to be a bit of calcification on my lymph nodes and thyroid(not large enough for a biopsy). No diagnosis was set, so I need to monitor it. I went early this morning to get some blood work done to check my cholesterol and thyroid function. I am doing my best to stay optimistic. I also have been having bowel problems with random pains and trouble digesting properly. it feels like its getting better but still something I remain a bit concerned about.
this has been a very strange/frustrating 2 months for me.
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If there were no rewards to reap,No loving embrace to see me through
This tedious path I've chosen here,I certainly would've walked away by now.
Gonna wait it out.
If there were no desire to heal The damaged and broken met along
This tedious path I've chosen hereI certainly would've walked away by now.
And I still may ... (sigh) ... I still may.Be patient.
I must keep reminding myself of this.
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Quote:
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its relevant because I have anxiety/stress issues..and fuck the vaccine! in no way do I intend on giving myself a dose of the swine flu virus especially when it is mixed in with mercury and other shit. More deaths were reported due to taking the vaccine and people have also reported becoming autistic months after getting the vaccine. My chances of surviving the flu naturally are pretty high. It's probably only a safer idea to get the vaccine if you are a small child or elderly.
I know inhaling smoke isn't natural but it is far safer IMO than breathing the air from living in this trashy polluted city. I stopped smoking for anxiety issues, but I will give it another whack someday.
I went to the doc because when I went to the ER from that panic attack, I had some chest x-rays done and a small blotch was found in or near my trachea. I had a scan and ultrasound done and there was indeed a little growth(I was scared it was a tumor, which sent my anxiety through the roof!). The ultrasound shows that it seems to be a bit of calcification on my lymph nodes and thyroid(not large enough for a biopsy). No diagnosis was set, so I need to monitor it. I went early this morning to get some blood work done to check my cholesterol and thyroid function. I am doing my best to stay optimistic. I also have been having bowel problems with random pains and trouble digesting properly. it feels like its getting better but still something I remain a bit concerned about.
this has been a very strange/frustrating 2 months for me.
Are you meditating? I thought a few months back that my smoking days were over. All weed would do was send me into a panic attack. After mediating for a bit and getting my anxiety down after about 7 months I am finally almost back to smoking weed like I once was. Weed is giving you anxiety because you already have it. Its bringing up issues you already have. Weed is NOT the issue.
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: Rocker232]
#11105797 - 09/22/09 10:36 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i am aware that weed is not the issue. it certainly will make episodes reoccur so I am putting down the pipe for a bit until I can collect myself in my sober state. I meditate once in a while and I should probably do it much more often. weed and shrooms have definitely opened up many doors for me, showing good and evil. I just need to find my balance before I wander off into another journey.
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If there were no rewards to reap,No loving embrace to see me through
This tedious path I've chosen here,I certainly would've walked away by now.
Gonna wait it out.
If there were no desire to heal The damaged and broken met along
This tedious path I've chosen hereI certainly would've walked away by now.
And I still may ... (sigh) ... I still may.Be patient.
I must keep reminding myself of this.
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I know you have anxiety issues but not wanting to take the flu vaccine for the reasons you stated is flat out wrong and silly.
NO ONE has reported becoming autistic from flu vaccine.
AND while Jenny McCarthy may tell you otherwise there is ZERO proven link or even correlation between the rise of autism in the last 10 years and the use of Thimerosal since the 1930's. Plus the H1NI vaccine will be available in the nasal mist which NOT contain Thimerosal and in single dose packaging which will not contain Thimerosal - you could request either one of those if HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of safely administered vaccinations where not enough to convince you.
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: Radar]
#11106026 - 09/22/09 11:30 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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well whats a good reason as to why I should get the vaccine? The chances of surviving it seem fairly high from what I am told. I just don't see the need to put something into my body like that at this age. Have you gotten the vaccine?
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This tedious path I've chosen here,I certainly would've walked away by now.
Gonna wait it out.
If there were no desire to heal The damaged and broken met along
This tedious path I've chosen hereI certainly would've walked away by now.
And I still may ... (sigh) ... I still may.Be patient.
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I just got a regular flu shot 2 weeks ago - waiting for the swine flu to be available....got all my kids done as well. And i do it just b/c getting that suck absolutely SUCKS...REALLY sucks and is avoidable.
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: Radar]
#11106201 - 09/22/09 12:05 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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be sure it's something you want to do. I am pro-choice, but giving myself the flu is not on my to-do list. I am positive the vaccine has done harm..especially seeing that it hasn't been fully tested. There are reports of death, autism, and more problems. Apparently there were billions of dollars worth of lawsuits after the scare in 1976 due to complications from the swine flu vaccine. I just personally don't think this is something to jump on before reassuring yourself. Where did you get info out of curiosity? I am not stating that I know more than you on this subject, I am only stating that there are reports of the vaccine doing more harm than good.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/Swine_flu/article6797993.ece
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html
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If there were no rewards to reap,No loving embrace to see me through
This tedious path I've chosen here,I certainly would've walked away by now.
Gonna wait it out.
If there were no desire to heal The damaged and broken met along
This tedious path I've chosen hereI certainly would've walked away by now.
And I still may ... (sigh) ... I still may.Be patient.
I must keep reminding myself of this.
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: Radar]
#11106219 - 09/22/09 12:08 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I also have been having bowel problems with random pains and trouble digesting properly. it feels like its getting better but still something I remain a bit concerned about.
High levels of stress/anxiety does affect the digestive system
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I just got a regular flu shot 2 weeks ago - waiting for the swine flu to be available....got all my kids done as well. And i do it just b/c getting that suck absolutely SUCKS...REALLY sucks and is avoidable.
I firmly believe that the flu vaccine does little to help your immune system in the long run.
I'm 42 years old and have never had a flu vaccine and I've never had the flu
coincident
I think not
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: niteowl]
#11106245 - 09/22/09 12:12 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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i noticed during my first panic attack episode that my stomach was chuuurnig like hell. thats when this all kind of started. The doc has me on an all vegetarian diet(which I dont mind much) for a month and will see my progress. I heard enimas can be orgasmic 
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If there were no rewards to reap,No loving embrace to see me through
This tedious path I've chosen here,I certainly would've walked away by now.
Gonna wait it out.
If there were no desire to heal The damaged and broken met along
This tedious path I've chosen hereI certainly would've walked away by now.
And I still may ... (sigh) ... I still may.Be patient.
I must keep reminding myself of this.
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If you go from a regular diet to an all vegan diet
your guts will not like you for it
you should gradually increase the fiber in your diet and
start meditating at least 3 times a week (if not daily)
I can promise you from my own experiences
that you will see significant improvements
in your digestive system and your anxiety
within a month, with no medications
if you do these two simple things
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: niteowl]
#11106447 - 09/22/09 12:49 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks for the advice. I will try this out
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If there were no rewards to reap,No loving embrace to see me through
This tedious path I've chosen here,I certainly would've walked away by now.
Gonna wait it out.
If there were no desire to heal The damaged and broken met along
This tedious path I've chosen hereI certainly would've walked away by now.
And I still may ... (sigh) ... I still may.Be patient.
I must keep reminding myself of this.
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Sound advice from niteowl.Quote:
desiretoheal said:
well whats a good reason as to why I should get the vaccine?
That depends a bit on your personal situation. For example, if you suffer from lung ailments, it is recommended to at least remain very alert and some authorities recommend vaccinating to build up resistance to this particular flu strain to limit the symptoms in case you contract mexiflu. This advice in general also goes for elderly people and individuals with reduced immune system functionality.
However, it must be noted that the mexiflu may cause cytokine storms; essentially an overreaction of the immune system. This may lead to excessive phlegm buildup in the lungs and thereby cause severe secondary infections, resulting in pneumonia. In particular, this tends to happen in individuals with a healthy immune system. Hence, the mexiflu is expected to cause not only the 'expected' deaths among infants and the elderly, but also (or even: especially) in healthy individuals in the range of 20-40 years of age.
To what extent this expectation is met by the current deaths, I don't know. I only know of a handful cases in my country and they appear for the most part to fall in the regular categories of inherently weakened individuals. However, information provided on the prior health status of mexiflu victims is mostly kept secret here.
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The chances of surviving it seem fairly high from what I am told. I just don't see the need to put something into my body like that at this age. Have you gotten the vaccine?
I have not yet received a vaccine for the mexiflu. I have had several, yearly flu shots. Symptoms were essentially negligible. I do tend to have a swollen upper arm for a day or so, the day after I receive the shot. This is a normal response of the immune system to the neutralized virus that is injected. Note that flu virus used in vaccins is neutralized by heating it, effectively killing it. Its structure remains recognizable due to the immune system though, which can in turn prepare a defense for the next infection.
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: koraks]
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Also, to the best of my knowledge, the flu vaccine is cultivated on regular chicken eggs. I don't know where any significant concentrations of mercury in the vaccine could come from. I remain open for any reliable information on this issue.
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: koraks]
#11106726 - 09/22/09 01:39 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am talking about the swine flu vaccine, just in case there is any confusion.
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_18720.cfm
http://www.vacci-nations.com/component/content/article/35-breaking-news/63-washington-post-swine-flu-vaccine-will-contain-mercury
Even the Washington post shows a little skepticism on the reliability of the vaccine.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/22/AR2009082202337.html?sid=ST2009082300274
This is indeed a personal choice but I have heard of many people surviving the flu no problem without any vaccinations. Of course like I said earlier in a post, it is more complicated if you are a child, or elderly. It's just not something I am gonna be waiting in line to get
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If there were no rewards to reap,No loving embrace to see me through
This tedious path I've chosen here,I certainly would've walked away by now.
Gonna wait it out.
If there were no desire to heal The damaged and broken met along
This tedious path I've chosen hereI certainly would've walked away by now.
And I still may ... (sigh) ... I still may.Be patient.
I must keep reminding myself of this.
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The below all applies to swine flu and its vaccine.
Ok, I looked it up for you. First the mercury thing. The mercury in flu vaccines comes in the form of a preservative called Thimerosal. Its concentration of a mercury-containing molecule is apparently about 49%. However, it is present in vaccines in concentrations between 0.003% and 0.1%. That means that a flu vaccine may contain up to 0.0015% and 0.005% ethylmercury. Note that this does not equal the same percentages of mercury; those numbers would be smaller still. Note that with a typical dosage of 0.5mL, the actual amount of ethylmercury you'd receive is somewhere between 0.00075mL (or 0.75uL) and 0.0025mL (2.5uL).
Source:
Ball LK, Ball R, Pratt RD. An assessment of thimerosal use in childhood vaccines. Pediatrics 2001;107(5):1147-54.
I'm willing to take that risk. Especially since the authors conclude that essentially, there are no risks to the use of a vaccine containing Thimerosal for children and adults. For infants < 6 months, a Thimerosal-free vaccine (these are available today as well and are likely currently replacing the mercury-containing ones) is recommended.
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Even the Washington post shows a little skepticism on the reliability of the vaccine.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/22/AR2009082202337.html?sid=ST2009082300274
In that source, I mostly read about the political implications of a mass vaccination program. The uncertainty regarding the dosage and number of required vaccinations make sense to me; this is a new vaccine which we haven't tested before. On the other hand, we figured it out to a usable extent for other H1N1 strains, so I'm pretty confident that this particular nut will be cracked as well.
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This is indeed a personal choice but I have heard of many people surviving the flu no problem without any vaccinations. Of course like I said earlier in a post, it is more complicated if you are a child, or elderly. It's just not something I am gonna be waiting in line to get
The risk of dying is limited to begin with, but note what I wrote earlier about overreacting immune systems. This applies first and foremost to young, healthy individuals. So this time, you're not on the safe side by default.
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: koraks]
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Also, to the best of my knowledge, the flu vaccine is cultivated on regular chicken eggs. I don't know where any significant concentrations of mercury in the vaccine could come from. I remain open for any reliable information on this issue.
People are worried about the preservative that is used in the larger packaging formats of the injectable vaccine...its being slowly phased out just b/c people have gotten worried about it.
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: Radar]
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I feel like I'm back in 1870s France with all of these people claiming vaccines aren't effective and that it's safer not to get them.
The distrust that so many people have of science is both hilarious and frightening at the same time.
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I feel like I'm back in 1870s France with all of these people claiming vaccines aren't effective and that it's safer not to get them.
The distrust that so many people have of science is both hilarious and frightening at the same time.
it isn't a distrust of science man
I just don't think I need a vaccine
for what is basically a bad cold
I honestly believe that using a vaccine for the flu
only limits your bodies ability to fight off infection later
Like I said earlier, I have never had a flu vaccine
and I have never been slowed down by the flu
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: niteowl]
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Regardless of whether you think the H1N1 vaccine is safe or not, as far as judging whether she's a good doctor or not... You know it's unavailable currently, right? Not FDA approved and all that.
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: niteowl]
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Listen, I think you're wrong.
Even in your case.
But the vast majority of the moonbats here simply don't believe in vaccines.
I think it's pretty clear from reading this thread.
Your case is equally silly. Will you get a rubella vaccine? I bet you gave one to your kids when they were little.
Which do you think kills more people? Rubella or the flu?
I get a flu shot every year. I can't remember the last time I was sick. My case is equally as valid as yours.
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Desiretoheal, i suffer from anxiety and have since i was 12. I have been on medicine since i was 16 and imo would suggest you get away from the gen. practitioner and go see a psychiatrist that can write you whatever the hell he wants and not question your reasoning behind mind expansion. Now as for the medical problems, get checked, but don't rely on a Dr. that is seeing 40 patients a day to be "on your side" Its all about the money to them, thats 40 x 200$(at least) = 8K a day....the shrink see's about 7 a day. The math is there, and so are the answers.
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Your case is equally silly. Will you get a rubella vaccine? I bet you gave one to your kids when they were little.
If they could come up with a flu vaccine that could be taken once
(like the Rubella, small pox, polio and many other 'cured' diseases)
and you could never get the flu again, then yea, I'd go get one
but for a healthy person to get a vaccine for a virus
that would be nothing more than a bad cold for them
is irresponsible IMO, let the young and elderly have them
Healthy adults really do not need a flu vaccine
the public has been duped into believing that they do
OMG!!! I gotta get me one a them there swine flue shotz or I mite dye
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: niteowl]
#11109746 - 09/22/09 10:37 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure I had the swine flu or at least some form of a horrible flu. I got it a few months before the whole swine flu pandemic broke out so I got over it and moved on.
While I agree with you on the fuck a vaccine standpoint, it was far worse than any cold. Woke up at 1AM, proceeded to throw up 6 times that night. All the vomiting caused me to be dehydrated so I'd try to drink water and then immediately throw up again. Managed to go to sleep then woke up in the morning and threw up 2 more times. It was a pretty fucking bad ass virus. My friend who also got sick had to be hospitalized.
Yay for anti-vaccine but don't underestimate the great H1N1 virus
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: niteowl]
#11109854 - 09/22/09 10:56 PM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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niteowl said:
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Your case is equally silly. Will you get a rubella vaccine? I bet you gave one to your kids when they were little.
If they could come up with a flu vaccine that could be taken once
(like the Rubella, small pox, polio and many other 'cured' diseases)
and you could never get the flu again, then yea, I'd go get one
but for a healthy person to get a vaccine for a virus
that would be nothing more than a bad cold for them
is irresponsible IMO, let the young and elderly have them
Healthy adults really do not need a flu vaccine
the public has been duped into believing that they do
OMG!!! I gotta get me one a them there swine flue shotz or I mite dye
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niteowl said:
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I feel like I'm back in 1870s France with all of these people claiming vaccines aren't effective and that it's safer not to get them.
The distrust that so many people have of science is both hilarious and frightening at the same time.
it isn't a distrust of science man
I just don't think I need a vaccine
for what is basically a bad cold
I honestly believe that using a vaccine for the flu
only limits your bodies ability to fight off infection later
Like I said earlier, I have never had a flu vaccine
and I have never been slowed down by the flu
You've never had the flu, yet you equate it to a "bad cold"?
It's more like having food poisoning, allergy attacks, a really bad cold, a constant migraine disorder and mild alcohol/benzo withdrawal all at once.
Or pretty much the same as a really really bad opiate withdrawal.
So how can you equate it to having a bad cold if you've never experienced it before?
There's a perfectly good reason why people get the influenza vaccine.
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Re: ughhh..new doctor today [Re: niteowl]
#11110860 - 09/23/09 03:54 AM (13 years, 8 months ago) |
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niteowl said:
Healthy adults really do not need a flu vaccine
the public has been duped into believing that they do
The media haven't done a particular good job at transferring complex messages from academia to broader society. Some media systematically overrate any risks, while others appear to systematically ignore them. There are very few media that succeed in conveying a nuanced picture. But who's willing to pay for a newspaper that prints an in-depth analysis of a complex subject? In general, we like to hear clear, simplified statements that either support or own preexisting views or that oppose them in such a way that we may respond in shocked indignation. Fact of the matter is that this subject matter is far too complex to capture in simplified statements. This includes the statement quoted above: "Healthy adults really do not need a flu vaccine". I cannot agree with this, neither can I wholeheartedly oppose to it.
So does that mean healthy adults need a vaccine against this particular flu strain? For one part, we don't know (see below), and for another part, the question cannot be answered in any case. Why can't we answer this question? Simply because it is impossible to clearly define what 'need' is. Some people may argue that any economic damage caused by some people being unable to turn up for work a few days is enough to justify mass vaccination. Others may argue that we've faced worse pandemics and this one probably isn't going to be anywhere quite as bad as the Spanish flu outbreak, so any measures are unnecessary and symptomatic of our society's risk-averse behavior. There's no objective measure that can be applied here, so there's no ultimate truth.
So what do we know? Some strains of the flu have been known to trigger cytokine storms, which in particular endanger young, healthy individuals. The most famous example is th 1918 H1N1 'Spanish flu' outbreak. Remember the photographs of the well-trained, healthy soldiers coughing themselves to a bloody-slimy death? As of yet, we don't know if the swine flu triggers cytokine storms, but it is a possibility that we currently cannot rule out either. Some evidence points in that direction, but reliable quantitative data are mostly lacking. However, if this flu strain proves to be capable of doing so, then it stands to reason that healthy adults in particular are at risk during this outbreak.
So do healthy individuals need a vaccine for this flu? I leave that up to you to decide. But I've stated it before and I'll repeat it once more: this time, healthy adults are not on the safe side of the statistics by default. And even if this swine flu turns out to be an annoyance rather than an actual danger (which, personally, I believe it will), then it is merely a matter of time before we are confronted with an outbreak that does pose a realistic risk to the population at large. All the experience and insight we can accumulate during this 'rehearsal' may come in handy if a really bad bug happens to seek us out in the future.
Or we can just decide that as a society we're not going to give a fuck and see what comes our way. That, of course, is also a legitimate philosophy.
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