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Offlinecomario2
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coco brick - hard as a brick!
    #1110143 - 12/04/02 04:13 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

i finally got my hands on a coco brick. suggestions on best way to prepare a casing layer with it? btw, this stuff is so hard i cant seem to be able to break it up. how do you guys do it? does it need to be hydrated first? what about sterilization, is this required? do you sterilize it dry or wet? thanks for  any help :laugh: 


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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: comario2]
    #1110289 - 12/04/02 04:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You have to break it up to be able to soak it. Unless you want to wait 3 days. Use a screwdriver or a sharp knife to split the 'layers' apart.Going in from the side of the brick,then crumble the larger chunks by hand. PIA- enjoy. Be glad it's not a substrate.


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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: On_the_Down-Low]
    #1110333 - 12/04/02 05:05 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You do NOT have to break it up. Just throw it in a 5 gal bucket with some water. It will soften up.


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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: comario2]
    #1110356 - 12/04/02 05:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

pretty labor intensive, at least for larger quantities.
i haven't overcome this yet myself, but was thinking of wetting some to crumble up before casing.  maybe wet will crumble more easily.  anyone else?

i mix mine with a bit of verm and oyster (10/2/1)

i also sterilize mine in the nukrowave in a glass jar after wetting (post crumbling)

half gallon jar third full dry casing mix half full water, covered with a cloth rag.  naklawaved for five minutes, three times.  this may be excessive, but it is certainly sterile afterwards.  it will boil out, so i put my jar in a bowl to catch the water boiling over.  i tie the cloth in place with a cotton cord.
after cooling i case, then spray with h2o2/water.
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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: comario2]
    #1110701 - 12/04/02 06:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

It hydrates extremely fast when added to boiling water...it just takes a good 4 hours to cool...DOH  :smile:


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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: angryshroom]
    #1111540 - 12/04/02 10:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I used a flat head screwdriver to split the layers. Dumping the entire thing into a bucket and expand the whole thing isn't a good idea. If you read the label that little brick is enough to fill a 40 gallon aquarium. You only need a little bit because it expands like crazy.


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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: comario2]
    #1111549 - 12/04/02 10:38 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I would break the layer apart and then break the chunks up by hand. I usually add water to a large mixing bowl and work with it in the water. This is a bit messy but makes thinks easier in the long run. I would not suggest hydrating it all at once. You will find mold growing on it long before you have the chance to use it.

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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: comario2]
    #1112094 - 12/05/02 01:45 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Disregard these retards. Crush it up and spread about 4inches on top of the substrate you wanna case. Add some water and put the lid on. Leave unattended. Or you could hydrate it in a fucking bucket like your supposed to.


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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: viscid]
    #1113382 - 12/05/02 12:44 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

ok, guys thanks for all the info, its very useful. viscid, you get my medal for best coco-tek write-up, its excellent, we should archive it here and make it available.  :laugh: btw, i'm definitely shippinf your certificate (so you can obtain your more than well deserved medal  :grin:) next week. oh, and fla was ok, good weather but no mushroom related activities. love your new avatar :cool: 


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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: Shaw]
    #1113552 - 12/05/02 01:35 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

Shaw:Disregard these retards. Crush it up and spread about 4inches on top of the substrate you wanna case



Four inches of casing material?? I would think that's a little excessive.


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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: Shaw]
    #1113966 - 12/05/02 03:41 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Shaw, you should think before you type. The coco-coir he speaks of is unhydrated and unsterile. To place it on colonised/uncolonised substrate would not be a good idea.

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    #1114706 - 12/05/02 06:58 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)



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Post deleted by Moe Howard [Re: comario2]
    #1114837 - 12/05/02 07:51 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: Macey Howard]
    #1115011 - 12/05/02 08:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

It's a brick of crushed coconut shells. It's used as reptile bedding and sold at petstores. The other use would be for a casing layer.


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    #1115099 - 12/05/02 08:53 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: Macey Howard]
    #1115275 - 12/05/02 09:34 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

moe, don't bother, had i know it was so hard, damn i put it in the emergency supplies room, never know, but i gave up for now :frown: 


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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: Effed]
    #1116156 - 12/06/02 02:43 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it. It may be a bit messy but it gets the job done quick.

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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: Joshua]
    #1116181 - 12/06/02 02:57 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

check out the thread coco sock..just put some great links on coco there.


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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: SillySighBen]
    #1116323 - 12/06/02 05:10 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Listen man, the stuff isn`t messy unless handled in a messy manner.
You take a knife stick it in and twist, drop the chunks in warm /hot water and wait.
Pour off the eccess water once fully hydrated and add your vermiculite.


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Re: coco brick - hard as a brick! [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #1116425 - 12/06/02 08:23 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

It?s important to point out, that the brick has 2 sides with different layer structures. You have to brake it apart by pushing a knife or screwdriver into the correct side, then you can break the brick apart in several layers.
Then you can rehydrate these layers individually.



I hope the pictures demonstrate this clearly.


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