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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Enlil]
#27794578 - 05/27/22 01:46 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Until a better system is developed, capitalism is the best we've got.
Genuine question I have asked myself in response to this thought:
How will I know when one is developed? What would it look like?
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: metalfaith] 1
#27794786 - 05/27/22 07:28 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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The US will be widely considered a collapsed state.
That is how you know a system better than capitalism has been developed.
You gotta remember, it's not just coming up with a system better than capitalism, we've done that plenty of times. The problem is coming up with a system that can survive the expansionist militant capitalism of the US.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: metalfaith]
#27794821 - 05/27/22 08:15 AM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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metalfaith said:
How will I know when one is developed? What would it look like?
I have no idea what it will look like, but when it is developed, it will inevitably spread throughout the world. The reason capitalism has the reach it does is because of its effectiveness. A more effective system will drown capitalism out.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Enlil]
#27795077 - 05/27/22 12:31 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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"effectiveness" in this case is another name for the US Navy.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Kryptos]
#27795079 - 05/27/22 12:33 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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A better system will use the U.S. Navy as a tool.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Enlil]
#27795223 - 05/27/22 02:40 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Seems like Fascism is a pretty effective system.
If only it could cool it's jets with the genocide and wars and whatnot.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#27795229 - 05/27/22 02:45 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Fascism is the geopolitical equivalent of chopping a hole in the wall of your house to get wood for the fireplace.
Also a good analogy for Boomer economics.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#27795236 - 05/27/22 02:50 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Seems like Fascism is a pretty effective system.
If that's true, why has fascism failed spectacularly every single time it has been tried?
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#27795279 - 05/27/22 03:24 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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Baby_Hitler said: Seems like Fascism is a pretty effective system.
If that's true, why has fascism failed spectacularly every single time it has been tried?
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Baby_Hitler said: If only it could cool it's jets with the genocide and wars and whatnot.
I mean... I answered the question before you asked it, then you deleted it... and then asked the question.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#27795327 - 05/27/22 03:54 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't delete anything.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Enlil]
#27837235 - 06/26/22 09:32 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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The crisis connected to students' debts has been lasting for years. I don't know if it's because of the imperfection of the educational or financial system, but many students have financial troubles, and it's a fact. You have to take a loan when you don't have enough money to pay for tuition. Some unis increase the tuition cost, and yes, they provide more chances to get a scholarship, but still, not each student can get it. I have mixed feelings about all the changes, but I can say that students, me included, still face a lot of financial troubles, and I can name it one more social issue in the 21st century.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: RaymondMorgan]
#27837592 - 06/26/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Trade school is crap. The problem with trade school is that you're only learning 1 trade. Your options for jobs are still limited. At least with a degree, your job options are not limited to just 1 type of employer. I went to bullshit massage therapy school thinking it was going to bring me the money I need to get me through real college, but, all I really did was just swap out a shitty job with another shitty job. Now I'm going back to college to get a bs in biochemistry so I can have a REAL career.
Another thing with trade school is that if you have a work place injury, you're out of work. At least with a degree, you could still get another job that doesn't bother the injury.
Trade school is good in theory and it's how uneducated people talk themselves into getting a career, but you still don't make good money in trades. Mechanics don't make all that great money unless they are OWNERS of a mechanics shop.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: OutsideOfMyMind]
#27837608 - 06/26/22 03:24 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't say trade schools are necessarily bad. And trades aren't a bad career, they're just a limited career. As you said, mechanics don't make all that much money until they own a shop. Owning a shop isn't being a mechanic. Owning a shop is being a business owner. That's a different job. No longer a trade school trade.
I don't think trade schools are bad, per se. For me, they tend to feel like an acceptance of your own limitations.
I do not accept that I have limitations.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Kryptos]
#27838617 - 06/27/22 09:43 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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learning a trade isn't an acceptance of limitations any more than the pursuit of a degree and it doesn't bar anyone from continuing to learn and develop other skills.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Kryptos]
#27838768 - 06/27/22 11:45 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Kryptos said:
I do not accept that I have limitations.
You should accept that this is your biggest limitation.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Enlil]
#27838787 - 06/27/22 11:59 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Biden’s trying to renege on his promise of $10,000 in forgiveness for everyone by appeasing and cancelling the loans of select groups. He’s trying to splinter the debt collective movement
https://debtcollective.org/
Fuck him
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Chill Bro]
#27839051 - 06/27/22 02:32 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Chill Bro said: Biden’s trying to renege on his promise of $10,000 in forgiveness for everyone by appeasing and cancelling the loans of select groups. He’s trying to splinter the debt collective movement
https://debtcollective.org/
Fuck him
Maybe I misjudged Biden, maybe he is a good President after all.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: budmanman]
#27839224 - 06/27/22 04:26 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: learning a trade isn't an acceptance of limitations any more than the pursuit of a degree and it doesn't bar anyone from continuing to learn and develop other skills.
To me it is. I don't mean to generalize that unto others, that's a standard I set for myself only. If I generalized my standards unto others, I would be even more of a misanthrope.
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Kryptos said:
I do not accept that I have limitations.
You should accept that this is your biggest limitation.
Sounds like one of them good problems.
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: Kryptos]
#27840239 - 06/28/22 07:33 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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Trades are great for a lot of ppl. I dunno what limitations has to do with jt rly.... They allow you to earn a living and while yall claim jobs are limited, in most trades jobs are guaranteed anywhere in the country. For many ppl it seems no matter the limitations or intelligence, they may not find a field to get a regular degree that interests or challenges em. If I didn't have my trade I don't know what I'd do. I went to a four year I could excelled. Never picked a major as a 18 y/o now Ove 10 years later I still have no clue what major or degree I'd tackle. I have too many interests, and many of my interests with a degree wouldn't be profitable. We need ppl of all kinds in all fields trades includes. Limitations aren't a thing, it's necessity to have all fields with skilled ppl. Maybe my limitation would be not figuring out how to sell myself to a degree In a career I don't know if I will enjoy, or succeed and not wanting to be debt laden with the rest of students. Instead debt free productive. And maybe never wealthy but I do fine as an average American
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Re: What are y'alls thoughtson the changes to student loan law? [Re: ashfiken]
#27840596 - 06/28/22 12:46 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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ashfiken said: Trades are great for a lot of ppl. I dunno what limitations has to do with jt rly.... They allow you to earn a living and while yall claim jobs are limited, in most trades jobs are guaranteed anywhere in the country. For many ppl it seems no matter the limitations or intelligence, they may not find a field to get a regular degree that interests or challenges em. If I didn't have my trade I don't know what I'd do. I went to a four year I could excelled. Never picked a major as a 18 y/o now Ove 10 years later I still have no clue what major or degree I'd tackle. I have too many interests, and many of my interests with a degree wouldn't be profitable. We need ppl of all kinds in all fields trades includes. Limitations aren't a thing, it's necessity to have all fields with skilled ppl. Maybe my limitation would be not figuring out how to sell myself to a degree In a career I don't know if I will enjoy, or succeed and not wanting to be debt laden with the rest of students. Instead debt free productive. And maybe never wealthy but I do fine as an average American
I can't do my "trade" job "all over the country." My stupid trade is only limited to one fucking state. A stupid massage therapy license is only recognized in ONE state. I wouldn't be able to move on a whim and just do massage wherever the fuck I want.
A DEGREE would enable me to be able to move wherever the fuck I want and get a job in the field. I'm so sick of people talking about trade school.
Edited by OutsideOfMyMind (06/28/22 12:47 PM)
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