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The Bomb and its hold in politics
    #11098021 - 09/21/09 01:47 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The A-Bomb, H-Bomb... etc

A force, the most powerful man made creation i can fathom.

We have an idea who has got some
We fear who may have them
Those who have them fear everyone else who has them and who may acquire them

I often wonder whether a single aggressive launch would actually provoke swift retaliation in similar form.
If terrorists acquired some, how easily would they use it. Could they do it as easily as flying a plane into a building?

If the US were subject to an attack and were able to intercept it, would the military retaliate similarly? invade? hell while you're just registering that one, another could be coming, or even a large barrage.

On deciding nuclear policy. how can we look at it? Surely the US can not disarm now. Not when some developing nations could be acquiring them.

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2009_09/focus
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"Gen. Colin Powell put it well in his 1995 autobiography: “No matter how small these nuclear payloads were, we would be crossing a threshold. Using nukes at this point would mark one of the most significant political decisions since Hiroshima.”




No shit sherlock.

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To start, Obama should clarify that maintaining a large nuclear arsenal dedicated to performing a wide range of missions is unnecessary and contrary to U.S. security interests. Instead, the president should direct the NPR to reduce the number of U.S. nuclear weapons to 1,000 or fewer and restrict their role solely to deterring nuclear attack by others.

Given the United States’ conventional military edge, no plausible circumstance requires or could justify the use of nuclear weapons to deal with a non-nuclear threat. They are useless in deterring or responding to nuclear terrorism.





The Cold war is not over, and it may involve more than just USA and Russia, heck even they need to be concerned about their borders and the cartels running, weapons, ore and depleted stock between them. Maybe US and Russian intel knows more than they're willing to let on actual distribution.
I think its naive to think this is over, and that Russia is the major threat.

1,000 nukes is alot, considering it may only take a handful to shatter an entire nation for a short while.

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As Obama himself noted in July, “A balance of terror cannot hold. In the 21st century a strong and global regime is the only basis for security from the world’s deadliest weapons.”




Interesting... but even under such a 'regime' how could one feel ultimately secure that those that seek to harm the regime wont succeed in launching a nuke, dropping a nuke, or driving one concealed into the middle of a city.


What are your thoughts?


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Re: The Bomb and its hold in politics [Re: flangenips]
    #11098055 - 09/21/09 01:56 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

some quotes that come time mind. This is not new thought. And i don't think this way of thinking can change.

"We are here to make a choice between the quick and the dead. That is our business. Behind the black portent of the new atomic age lies a hope which, seized upon with faith, can work out a salvation. If we fail, then we have damned every man to be the slave of fear. Let us not deceive ourselves: we must elect world peace or world destruction."
Bernard Baruch, Speech to UN Atomic Energy Commission, 14 August 1946

"So long as such weapons exist, it is inevitable that the horror of Hiroshima and Nagasaki will be repeated -- somewhere, sometime -- in an unforgivable affront to humanity itself."
Takashi Hiraoka, Mayor of Hiroshima6 August 1995

"Anyone who considers using a weapon of mass destruction against the United States or its allies must first consider the consequences. ...We would not specify in advance what our response would be, but it would be both overwhelming and devastating."
Secretary of Defense William Perry, 18 April 1996


Do you think use of weapons presently, near future, or distant future is inevitable?


I fear that it could be inevitable.
I'm with Takashi Hiraoka on this one. More so that as long as engineers and scientists know how to create such devastation, that very devastation is at risk of being unleashed.


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Re: The Bomb and its hold in politics [Re: flangenips]
    #11098825 - 09/21/09 07:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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flangenips said:
More so that as long as engineers and scientists know how to create such devastation, that very devastation is at risk of being unleashed.




Risk in that it is theoretically possible, perhaps, yet the actual risk is determined by far more factors than the fact that it itself simply exists. :wink:


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Re: The Bomb and its hold in politics [Re: flangenips]
    #11100212 - 09/21/09 02:56 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Currently, this is the list of countries believed to have nuclear weapons:

United States (1945)
Russia (1949)
United Kingdom (1952)
France (1960)
China (1964)
India (1974)
Israel (1979)
Pakistan (1998)
North Korea (2006)

Interestingly, only Israel, India, and Pakistan have never been signatories of the Treaty, and all three of them now have nuclear weapons.  North Korea backed out of the treaty in 2003 citing "US aggression" as the reason, and they now have the bomb.

I believe it's time we honor the terms in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty of 1968 and "pursue negotiations in good faith on effective measures relating to cessation of the nuclear arms race at an early date and to nuclear disarmament, and on a treaty on general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control."  If we don't live up to our part of the agreement, what is the incentive for other countries to live up to theirs?


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Re: The Bomb and its hold in politics [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #11100450 - 09/21/09 03:35 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Turkey could be on that list too me thinks


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Re: The Bomb and its hold in politics [Re: flangenips]
    #11101558 - 09/21/09 07:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The nuclear situation is worse than anyone is willing to admit! Thanks to N.Korea, Iran,and Venezuela, there are many Countries who will now have access to nuclear weapons of all kinds.  The only qualification they need to join this nuclear alliance, is the will to rid the world of all democracy. Then there is the problem of India and Pakistan! India is a time bomb in itself, fighting their own war against Islam compounds and acerbates the situation. Things can only get worse!


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Re: The Bomb and its hold in politics [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11103042 - 09/21/09 11:04 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I threw out my suggestion (follow the terms of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty) to try and bring things under control.  Got any better suggestions???


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