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Gymnopilus v. Galerina
#11096879 - 09/20/09 08:12 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have read that galerina marginatas can be mistaken for gymnopilus junonius or g. luteus. I have yet to hunt for either, but I wanted to first determine if there is some reliable method to tell the two apart.
From my research I have found a few differences between gyms and gals that seem clear: -Gyms have firm stems and flesh, gals have thin mealy flesh -Gyms have scales on the cap, gals do not -G. junonius caps are 5-40cm, g. luteus 5-10cm, while gyms caps are 1-4cm -Gyms spores have warts, gals do not (but mykoweb seems to contradict this, saying gals have "low warts")
I have read about KOH reactions for gyms but not for gals. Is there any available information for KOH or ammonia reactions for either? Are these really very easy to mix up, or are they easily distinguishable with experience?
Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: ChuckMc]
#11096943 - 09/20/09 08:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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with experience they are easy to tell apart, without it they could easily be mistaken,
some other identifying features,
Gyms have a fragrant odor, I'd call it spicy, galerinas don't they smell mealy. Gyms taste bitter, galerina don't.
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ChuckMc said: G. junonius caps are 5-40cm, g. luteus 5-10cm, while gyms caps are 1-4cm
This size comparison isn't a reliable way to destinguish gyms from galerina, I've seen gals that were 6 or 7 cm and have seen pics of bigger galerinas.
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: falcon]
#11097002 - 09/20/09 08:37 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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falcon said: with experience they are easy to tell apart, without it they could easily be mistaken,
some other identifying features,
Gyms have a fragrant odor, I'd call it spicy, galerinas don't they smell mealy. Gyms taste bitter, galerina don't.
I had recently found some gymnopilus luteus, I was also worried about the galerina as a possible look alike. Even still I'm a little hesitant, but better that than dead.
The spicy smell you describe is perfect for the luteus I found, I initially described it as cinnamony, but spicy might just fit the description better.
There was once a short-lived deadly look alike thread. Here's a post I had in it for Galerina autumnalis if you interested Chuck.
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Agent 47 said: Deadly Galerina - Galerina autumnalis
Habitat:
+Growth on wood, often in clusters; + Rusty brown spore print (see bottom illustration); + Relatively small size; + A thin ring or ring zone, which may disappear; + Brown to tawny cap that may fade in age.
Other Information Spore Print: Rusty Brown.
Saprobic on the rotting wood of fallen hardwoods and conifers; growing gregariously, or in clusters (rarely alone); widely distributed; most frequent in fall, but often encountered in spring--and not infrequently found in summer and winter.
Information taken from MushroomExpert.ComĀ®
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: Agent 47]
#11097089 - 09/20/09 08:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks Agent. The thing that worries me is that most of the information about gals seem to match gyms, like the spore print color, the environment in which it grows, the annulus, the cap color, and even the cap size from what falcon says. Are there any signs that can conclusively differentiate the two, even if microscopic or chemical? Or is it just something you get a feel for with experience?
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: ChuckMc]
#11097116 - 09/20/09 08:54 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I always look for the scaly caps for gyms, that is a dead give away for me, as well as how the stipe on gym species look, they are always thicker and very meaty.
The size is another good indicator, gals are smaller than most gyms.
These are just a few things I look for.
Also gals tend to fruit in the colder months where I live, gyms in the warmer months.
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/gymnopilus.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnopilus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galerina
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: ChuckMc]
#11097124 - 09/20/09 08:55 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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ChuckMc said: Thanks Agent. The thing that worries me is that most of the information about gals seem to match gyms, like the spore print color, the environment in which it grows, the annulus, the cap color, and even the cap size from what falcon says. Are there any signs that can conclusively differentiate the two, even if microscopic or chemical? Or is it just something you get a feel for with experience?
I guess. It's really a species you don't want to mess up on though, seeing how you might only get one chance, that is if you ingest a more than a few. I myself don't want to ingest any, so I try to be very sure.
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-Gyms have firm stems and flesh, gals have thin mealy flesh
I don't know where you got that, or even if it applys to all gyms, but for the luteus I found, the stem was very tough, way more durable than the
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MycOhunter said: Also gals tend to fruit in the colder months where I live, gyms in the warmer months.
Not from the Northeast ^
Edited by Agent 47 (09/20/09 08:58 PM)
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: Agent 47]
#11097191 - 09/20/09 09:07 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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A good way to tell em apart other than obvious size and color comparisons - is the pinners - gym pins will look like penis envy cubensis - while young galerina resemble a hypholoma more- once you study up enough - they are hard to mistake for one another
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: Agent 47]
#11097218 - 09/20/09 09:12 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote: -Gyms have firm stems and flesh, gals have thin mealy flesh
I don't know where you got that, or even if it applys to all gyms, but for the luteus I found, the stem was very tough, way more durable than the
(sorry I don't know how to quote) I didn't understand what you meant here. Do you mean gyms don't always have firm stems and flesh? It sounds like you were saying the luteus did have a firm stem.
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: sporeRider]
#11097226 - 09/20/09 09:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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What are pinners? I'm still learning so forgive me if I'm asking an obvious question.
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: ChuckMc]
#11097245 - 09/20/09 09:15 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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ChuckMc said: Quote: -Gyms have firm stems and flesh, gals have thin mealy flesh
I don't know where you got that, or even if it applys to all gyms, but for the luteus I found, the stem was very tough, way more durable than the
(sorry I don't know how to quote) I didn't understand what you meant here. Do you mean gyms don't always have firm stems and flesh? It sounds like you were saying the luteus did have a firm stem.
It's on the top right of the persons post that you want to quote. Between Reply and Quick Reply.
I was agreeing with the statement that gyms have firm stems(luteus is my only experience), and galerinas have thin mealy flesh.
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: ChuckMc]
#11097264 - 09/20/09 09:18 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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What are pinners? I'm still learning so forgive me if I'm asking an obvious question.
Little "baby" mushroom fruits - when hunting gyms - pinners always show the blue bruising first!!
Young Galerina do not look like young gyms at all
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: Agent 47]
#11097299 - 09/20/09 09:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks agent and wiscokid, great information, thanks for the help.
Also anyone else with more info on gyms and gals that's not come up in the thread yet I'd really appreciate. For instance, does anyone know how KOH reacts on gals?
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: ChuckMc]
#11097363 - 09/20/09 09:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Galerina's stems stain black without putting anything on them, so I wouldn't use the KOH reaction to seperate them. I haven't tried it, though, so it might be a cool thing to show to people once you've learned to tell them apart.
Ha! I'm going to try it, I'll have to use NaOH.
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: falcon]
#11097425 - 09/20/09 09:43 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice! I wish I had a lot more experience, I'd love to be able to experiment like that.
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: ChuckMc]
#11097490 - 09/20/09 09:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like more of a reddish brown, might be because I used NaOH instead of KOH. For most of the staining reactions that you use KOH, I've been told that you can use NaOH. Maybe not.
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: falcon]
#11097524 - 09/20/09 09:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wait, so those are gyms right? Or are they gals?
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: ChuckMc]
#11097528 - 09/20/09 09:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gym spec
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: falcon]
#11097550 - 09/20/09 10:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Haha, ok just making sure. Although it didn't make sense to think you had fresh galerinas on hand for some reason.
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: ChuckMc]
#11097606 - 09/20/09 10:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Had to mix up the NaOH, going to keep some on hand from now on.
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Re: Gymnopilus v. Galerina [Re: falcon] 1
#18987442 - 10/16/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Gyms show up KOH+, Gals KOH- My reaction was more of a brownish red/ almost purple as opposed to the black reaction that is described in the link below. Also, if you have a microscope, look for the warty spores!! That is very characteristic of all gymnos. Oh and the bitter taste too.
http://www.mushroomexpert.com/gymnopilus.html
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