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Ignore them; that's what you are 'supposed' to do.
Has anyone come to a similar conclusion?
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I havent came to a similar conclusion..
but ive seen them a couple times.
not like little pussy ass dots , that i tripped out to be ufos..
these were flying pretty close , and its almost like they wanted me 2 know that they're UFOS.
cigar shaped.. yellow.. and moving like no aircraft ive ever seen b4
im talking FAST
they went slow (3 of em) and then one of em broke off with this fucked up maneuver ..
nehow.. i didnt take a direct experience for me to realize that aliens exist , therefore i wasnt very surprised when it actually happened.
i was kinda happy for a couple mins.. and then i went back to my normal state.
there just ppl like us maaaaaan 
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I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Nah, I like to seek and explore that which is unknown and not understood and outside the norm. I was always told thats what I was 'supposed' to do, and I like doing it.
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I suppose it would be somewhat of a stretch to assume we are all talking about the exact same thing. To be more specific, nobody has felt that they are being leered at by apparent phenomena? That's exactly what it seemed like.
Perhaps it was more like something one encounters in Carlos Castaneda's mind, than aliens. It was technological, at the same time that it was monstrous. I'm also reminded of M. Night Shaylaman's "The Village".
But my attempts at description aside, if I were to follow the advice here, would I be chasing every hallucination I encounter? What is a UFO anyway, and why does it draw my attention? Most importantly why do they seem come out when we are tripping?
I used to think that of all conspiracies, UFOs were just kind of - uncalled for? I didn't even understand how people began to think this way. I wasn't skeptical or not, I was just unconcerned. But that was because I never tripped alone in the middle of the field, a few miles from civilization. (and that, a rural one)
Addressing this in terms of "we" is probably not the right idea. As an individual encounters what he can only understand as unidentified phenomena, upon what does he exert his focus? Whether they were internal or external, I wouldn't venture to claim, but essentially, I finally conceived that they were attempting to distract me from something. By the end of the night, I was no longer drawing the line between them and what it was I should be concentrating on; they were my allies whose skill was to (so intimately!) circumspect nature.
Maybe what I learned from that night is best put like this: "Don't stare at the finger pointing at the moon."
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The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
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these were flying pretty close , and its almost like they wanted me 2 know that they're UFOS.
That's the sense I got. They wouldn't leave me alone though.
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YES.
I believe they dont so much want us to ignore them so much as not talk about them.
Well...we can talk about them; just so long as no one believes us. 
I think they have planted dis informants among the human population as well to further debunk our belief.
When we really really figure out what is going on they perform brain surgeries to ensure one of two things:
A) we've lost the wisdom of the experience
B) we've lost any credibility to the wisdom.
Even talking about the surgeries puts you at risk for another one; unless you make yourself out to be a complete delusional crackpot.
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I didn't know you were talking about while tripping.
Have you ever heard someone say that they saw gnomes in the woods while tripping? Supposedly the gnomes are like the construction workers of nature. Maybe these UFO's you see while tripping are some sort of being of the sky that are just as interested in you as you them. Perhaps they do want you to know they are there, they may be trying to communicate with us. But have no way of doing so. I'm not saying any of this is true. Just an idea.
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It seemed like people might misunderstand what I meant by this, so I deleted this post. On second thought, I am thinking that some of you might appreciate it, so I expanded these thoughts.
Mr. Muscaria, you said you felt like they didn't want us to talk about them, while I was more ambiguous in that I thought they were "leering" at me. It may be a subtle difference, but as I said, I really don't expect any consequences to speaking about them as I am now. I did say say on the other hand, "to ignore them", at the peril of tumbling indiscretely down a rabbit hole.
Perhaps this means I have not released the 'equip-mentality' to such an extent that you have; that I can remain aloof. I think that might likely be the case, so my thoughts here only to share what I've learned. I do believe I might offer some insight in my less extreme encounters though. As disturbing as they remain to me, my final conclusions of that night was that these strange entities are my friends, or rather, they are equipment for circumspection of both external and internal worlds.
To circumspect, the function of this equipment, is in a certain sense different, or contrasting the reality it discovers. I would not say negative, because that would bring ourselves indirectly to a subject/object mentality that is so problematic in these situations. Perhaps it is "negative" to our everyday reality, (as I initially said, to "ignore them") but that realism is something that may or may not be convenient anymore.
However we describe them; they seem to rather disturbingly probe the everyday reality we live in, with evidently, very real effects. It slowly occurred to me though that they were showing me "things". They circumspect a 'difference' lets say. Again, the reason this is strange, is because it does not strictly apply to objects of nature insomuch that it seems to run parallel to them.
Like Justin's constructive wood gnomes, or Terrence Mckenna's machine elves, I now realize that I had actually heard of this before. Consider that they are linguistic entities, or as I would put it literal manifestations of signification. In abstract, we have a tendency to view signification in terms of a subject and an object, but again, it can be problematic in how this meets reality, especially in these situations.
Much modern western philosophy, and eastern philosophy in general contends with this on a basic level. While there is a necessary structure and syntax of a statement, the chief goal in these philosophies is avoiding getting "caught up" in its games - in our case, this is the game of subject and object. The stark reality is that by chasing after objects, we seem to fall into very extreme subjective tendencies.
But, so far as I have experienced, we should not be afraid of what we have seen. Circumspection is our chief theme, and I think we are free and eager to reflect this for a good reason. One tendency is to deny these visions, (usually a recourse to making them sacred.) Significance is a lofty subject in itself, but its one we can address in terms of language.
Clearly, vacillating from "delusion to objectivity" is not a wise approach. They beg us to look at them, but it would seem that they are not objects in our ordinary sense of reality. I don't mean they are "unreal", but its true enough that the society we live in does not contend with any more skillful mode in its everyday terms. Or rather, it reserves these realities for those those it considers "insane", and mediates to block these visions. So I partially agree, we should be tentative to speak insomuch as we may be deemed insane.
There are ways to talk about these things though, I think. I am thinking of them as "equipment of signification", which seems to accounts for their seeming inner and outer realities.
Well anyways, those are my late thoughts, spurred by some of these responses. Maybe I should mention, I was heavily influenced by Tibetan prayers through this experience. Here's one in particular:
(Preliminary Practice):
"All phenomena are ultimately selfless, empty, and free from conceptual elaboration.
In their dynamic they resemble an illusion, mirage, dream, or reflected image,
A celestial city, an echo, a reflection of the moon in water, a bubble, an optical illusion or an intangible emanation.
You should know that all things of cyclic existence and nirvana
Accord in nature with these ten similes of illusory phenomena.
All phenomena are naturally uncreated.
They neither abide nor cease, neither come nor go.
They are without objective referent, signless, ineffable, and free from thought.
The time has come for this truth to be realized!
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Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!
Edited by daytripper23 (09/20/09 06:58 PM)
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I see them every night, but have yet to figure out what they are 
I won't ignore them, because they are a beautiful part of the night sky, but I also won't make any assumptions as to what they may be.
I will just enjoy their presence in the mean time
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Re: UFOs [Re: satyr]
#11096542 - 09/20/09 07:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, "Ignore" was only my blunt introduction though, that's largely what I was clarifying in my last post.
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Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
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I guess they aren't pestering or egging you on when you say that you can enjoy their presence. Was that always the case? That's sort of crucial to what I meant by "ignore them", because some of these entities were pretty imposing in my experience.
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If one discovers himself to be a schizophrenic, and is able to recognize his own hallucinations (as being distinct from other phenomena which other people can observe)...
...then yes, the best one can do is ignore them. That, and medication. Good luck 
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That's not what I meant at all. This may be your opinion, but I want to clarify its not even close to mine.
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I think they play a more key role in the life of some folks than others.
While some may see a pleasant light in the night sky they will voluntarily or involuntarily lose any recollection of the experience beyond that.
I will elaborate on an "experience" of mine
My body gets incredibly tingly, euphoric even. It feels much as a full body orgasm. I become paralyzed and unable to move. I feel as if I am "lifting up" but my body isnt. I am becoming lighter than the air around me. I close my eyes as I am quite terrified of what I will see. I open my eyes again and I am breaking through the glass ceiling; the wall of stars. I instantly feel the room full of beings. The initial ones are childlike "helpers" send to sooth me but they are incapable of doing such a thing in my state of horrid fugue.
-I recall sending a thought message to "erase my memory of the event" as I would never incorporate it into daily life. The genderless, ageless being in charge agrees. I wake up and I am healed of many of my wounds; yet I have unexplained scars all over my body.
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I guess they aren't pestering or egging you on when you say that you can enjoy their presence. Was that always the case? That's sort of crucial to what I meant by "ignore them", because some of these entities were pretty imposing in my experience.
I've never experienced them to be imposing, but they have never been just a part of the scenery either. In my experiences with them, they have always seemed just as aware of me as I am of them.
For one, they normally only appear when I intend on wanting to see them.
I may go for a night drive on the desolate farm roads here in Texas with the intention of seeing them, and sure enough they will appear, and far more obvious and close than they would if I were at my home.
My strangest experience by far, and the one that makes me question what I am seeing the most is this:
When I lived in Georgia, I began seeing them nightly, and after a while decided to invest in a decent telescope in order to get a closer observation of what they were. On this particular night, with my scope out, the craft scattered and became less apparent. One in particular, an odd shaped airplane, flew extremely
low over my home, as a helicopter would when chasing down a criminal.
As the droning craft passed over quite slowly (too slow for an airplane?) what sounded like a very loud megaphone came on:" go inside". And that was it. The thing sped up as it passed and I never saw it again.
Is it even possible for an aircraft to slow down enough to yell at me through a megaphone? I lived on a long private road, and there was noone out that night, and cops are out of the question.
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Re: UFOs [Re: satyr]
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wow thats pretty crazy. maybe it was some sort of government craft that was making sure you didn't see anything.
i'm curious; what kind of people are you guys? can you tell me a little about yourselves? is there anything you do, or is there anything about you in particular that you think might be the reason they show themselves to you?
i ask because i feel like certain types are more susceptible to certain extraordinary experiences. for example; when i take psychedelics i have these very spiritual experiences and it feels as though the universe speaks to me and reveals it's secrets. but the vast majority of people i've ever met take them simply to get high and do not have anything close to what i have.
though i've never seen a ufo, i'd really really love to. so i guess i'm asking for advice as to what i might be able to do.
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Re: UFOs [Re: dummy]
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wow thats pretty crazy. maybe it was some sort of government craft that was making sure you didn't see anything.
i'm curious; what kind of people are you guys? can you tell me a little about yourselves? is there anything you do, or is there anything about you in particular that you think might be the reason they show themselves to you?
i ask because i feel like certain types are more susceptible to certain extraordinary experiences. for example; when i take psychedelics i have these very spiritual experiences and it feels as though the universe speaks to me and reveals it's secrets. but the vast majority of people i've ever met take them simply to get high and do not have anything close to what i have.
though i've never seen a ufo, i'd really really love to. so i guess i'm asking for advice as to what i might be able to do.
Usually if you are just looking to get high the "universe" can tell that you are just looking to get high. That is why people that trip seeking answers, or spiritual guidance, etc. experience things differently. Because why would something reveal its self to you unless you really and truly want it to. Be it conscious or subconscious
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Same goes with UFOs too I suppose. If you want to and anticipate seeing them before a trip you will probably see them.
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wow thats pretty crazy. maybe it was some sort of government craft that was making sure you didn't see anything.
i'm curious; what kind of people are you guys? can you tell me a little about yourselves? is there anything you do, or is there anything about you in particular that you think might be the reason they show themselves to you?
i ask because i feel like certain types are more susceptible to certain extraordinary experiences. for example; when i take psychedelics i have these very spiritual experiences and it feels as though the universe speaks to me and reveals it's secrets. but the vast majority of people i've ever met take them simply to get high and do not have anything close to what i have.
though i've never seen a ufo, i'd really really love to. so i guess i'm asking for advice as to what i might be able to do.
Usually if you are just looking to get high the "universe" can tell that you are just looking to get high. That is why people that trip seeking answers, or spiritual guidance, etc. experience things differently. Because why would something reveal its self to you unless you really and truly want it to. Be it conscious or subconscious
i see what you're saying but i sort of disagree. i say this because some people take it just to get high, but get slapped in the face with universal truth. they have 'bad trips' because they are susceptible to these experiences but weren't looking for them. others can eat .25oz's at a time and just see pretty colors.
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Same goes with UFOs too I suppose. If you want to and anticipate seeing them before a trip you will probably see them.
i disagree. i've been doing drugs for a long time now. i started when i was 13 and now i'm in my early 20's. i've experienced everything from depressants to deliriants. most of this was done in high school. i'm not your typical drug user, i tried all sorts of drugs just to see what effect they would have on my mind... not necessarily just to have a good time. and i've learned a lot from this. for example, deliriants will make you see things that your really believe are there until you come down and realize you were just seeing things. you can say that these were merely drug induced visions. and i used to think that the visions produced by psychoactive tryptamines where the same, nothing but drug induced. but as i've been using them more i'm not so sure. i have a really, really hard time believing that my mind can create some of the things i see on lsd or mushrooms. i have a hard time believing that these things simply trick me into thinking i'm having extraordinary revaluations about the universe.... especially considering they don't dumb me down or cloud my mind in any sort of way, after or during the experience i stay sharp. this cannot be said for any other class of drugs i've ever come across ever. my current theory is that they remove a sort of filter that your mind puts up to cope with the day to day survival routine. it does this so that you can look at the world empirically and have an ambition to defend yourself and hunt for food and build colonies. the psychedelic experience is rare indulgence when this filter is removed... you can see the world for what it is.
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Re: UFOs [Re: satyr]
#11108029 - 09/22/09 06:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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daytripper23 said:
Ignore them; that's what you are 'supposed' to do.
Has anyone come to a similar conclusion?
I think you should ignore UFOs if you benefit from doing so. There is nothing we can do about their presence here on Earth and there is nothing we can do to intervene with their agenda. I'm extremely fascinated by these extraterrestrials so I cannot resist studying them and their spacecrafts. My fascination with them completely overpowers my fear of them. If you're like me, I would suggest keeping a safe distance from flying saucers and other extraterrestrial spacecrafts. It's not worth taking unnecessary risks when viewing UFOs.
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In my experiences with them, they have always seemed just as aware of me as I am of them.
I've made the same observation from my experiences. I've had numerous experiences which indicated to me that they must have incredible abilities. I truly believe that the pilots of these crafts have extraordinary biological capabilities that go far beyond advanced technology. They seem to have what can only be described as telepathic, psychic, and mind-reading abilities. It seems like "magic" to us, but I'm sure it seems as natural to them as our senses appear to us. We just don't understand how it's possible yet.
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Re: UFOs [Re: dummy]
#11108037 - 09/22/09 06:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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i may have misunderstood. i thought you meant to say that UFO's are drug induced visions... is this correct?
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Same goes with UFOs too I suppose. If you want to and anticipate seeing them before a trip you will probably see them.
I dunno... I've always been pretty opened to such a possibility and wanting to see something out of the ordinary flying over but it never happened.
So I doubt this is always a prequisite. I even listen to alien music all the time! 
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Man woke up in a world he did not understand and that is why he tries to interpret it - Carl Jung
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Re: UFOs [Re: dummy]
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i see what you're saying but i sort of disagree. i say this because some people take it just to get high, but get slapped in the face with universal truth. they have 'bad trips' because they are susceptible to these experiences but weren't looking for them. others can eat .25oz's at a time and just see pretty colors.
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That is why At the end I said be it conscious or subconscious
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Intent and autosuggestion are powerful things. This doesn't necessarily discount these experiences, it just may mean that one needs to have the intent to see these things before they manifest. However, one needs to be suspicious; if you go looking for anything expecting to find it, sure enough it may show up.
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