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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: thedudenj]
#11075932 - 09/17/09 10:44 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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so because it supposedly happened to you that makes it true for everyone else?
I experienced cosmic bliss for six hours on XTC but I have lots of friends who never have.
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: Icelander]
#11076084 - 09/17/09 11:11 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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i have had something similar but the feeling i get from just the state of union like that totally tops MDMA.
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: thedudenj]
#11076140 - 09/17/09 11:20 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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You didn't answer my question. How about it?
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: Icelander]
#11076167 - 09/17/09 11:24 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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well what backs my point is you have the tranric people ... who have recorded that stuff thru out history
so because it supposedly happened to you that makes it true for everyone else?
you mean like when i see a cloud in the sky im supposedly seeing it right how do i know that its a cloud to every one else. i guess the same goes for doors in houses and buildings and such maybe since their a door to someone else they might now be to me and i can walk thru them with out opening em
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: thedudenj]
#11076259 - 09/17/09 11:42 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very poor examples indeed but maybe you knew that. So you have no concrete evidence but your personal beliefs. Typical
I can prove you are wrong then from my own personal experience and the experience of those you also claim you are wrong.
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: Icelander]
#11076611 - 09/17/09 01:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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shrug an orgasm is just as subjective too tho so shrug...
reguardless theres somethings one cant expereince in celebacy that one can when not
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: thedudenj]
#11077004 - 09/17/09 02:03 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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When you claim sex itself is the objective of all our behaviors, you are having it backwards. Survival isn't for sex. Sex is for survival.
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I said the urge to reproduce and the urge to have sex arent' the same thing for a reason : sex is a specific act, while the will to reproduce also implies survival, protection of "your own" and other things.
Human behaviour shouldn't be reduced to sex, but I feel it could be reduced to reproduction.
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: Kukaracha]
#11078753 - 09/17/09 06:24 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah animals have sex other then for reproducion look at dolphins they have homosexual sex even...
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: oxalic32]
#11079520 - 09/17/09 08:05 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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no body really does if they know how to work it and just be.
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: para_bellum]
#11079755 - 09/17/09 08:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
para_bellum said: Henry David Thoreau wrote "Chastity is the flowering of a man; and what are called Genius, Heroism, Holiness, andl the like are but various fruits which succeed it."
Think of all the time you put into sex.
Not just sex but trying to get laid, maintaining social relationships to get laid, going to parties and bars hoping to get laid.
Now think of how often you should be studying or working or thinking about something else and all you can think of is the girl next to you and her lips slowly engulfing your dick.
Now take all that time you just spent which I will go out on a limb and say consumes (if you are a man) at least half your waking day and half your dream time. Take it and put it toward a goal.
Learn about organic chemistry or physics, build a fucking shed fix your god damn cabinets, learn to count cards.
Maybe some of you have seen the sienfeld episode in which george abstains from sexual activities and becomes a genuis, perhaps a little exaggerated but no joke.
If you can get over the social stigma about being a loser if you dont get laid and refrain from masturbation after a while your sex drive drops off drastically and you have alot more time to think about something other than sex.
So anyone have some thoughts on the matter?
I have done a lot of thinking about this myself. I went through a phase about a year and a half ago (23 now) where every day of my life was devoted to having sex with as many different chicks as I possibly could, and for about a year I completely ditched all my hobbies and projects. Now I've slowed down and am happy to be playing music again. I think it's a fairly natural part of life to go through these phases or oscillations, to focus less on having to accomplish something and just enjoying life and being yourself, and I don't see anything wrong with it, course anything can be taken too far and I have my own scars from that life style.
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: Dioxyde]
#11080379 - 09/17/09 10:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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yeah you gota love chicks and make love , not mindlessly fuck
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: thedudenj]
#11082611 - 09/18/09 11:07 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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reguardless theres somethings one cant expereince in celebacy that one can when not
Like what?
Veritas is a long time practictioner of Tantra. She has reached in solo states everything she reached with a partner.
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: Icelander]
#11082951 - 09/18/09 12:01 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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...and then some!
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: Veritas]
#11083213 - 09/18/09 12:47 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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A most pleasant event. I miss you posting here.
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: thedudenj]
#11084549 - 09/18/09 04:31 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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look at dolphins they have homosexual sex even...
Those DVDs are always checked out when I go to my local video store.
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Re: The brighter side of chastity [Re: para_bellum]
#11084753 - 09/18/09 05:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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I practiced celibacy for up to 3 years at a time during my 20s! It was terrible and unnatural, but I was so distracted by sexual desire that I overcompensated - even as an undergrad during some of the most licentious, Quaalude-laden periods of the 1970s. Then I'd take a 'fall' and succumb to a temptation - like a crazy nympho girl in my town who would throw rocks at my window in the middle of the night and have to be snuck into my parents' house to lay some tearful story on me, which would lead to sex. I never had any game, other than being passive for aggressive females, but it is true that one can utilize all that psychosexual energy for more sublime things.
I now sense my sexual cycles - when I am most horny - and I have a partner whom I still enjoy having sex with. Of course, for you young'uns out there, it is a supreme discipline to remain faithful to one woman for many years. In Miami, there is the Lincoln Road porn industry - 'MILF Hunter' originates here, for example, and all the sites that followed his. Hot women are everywhere, and other women still drive me crazy, so my own 'inner monk' has manifested in a lifestyle in which I am very much a homebody. I mean...I periodically have former students e-mail me to announce that they've become 18. I had a 23 year old former student phone me almost 10 years later from South America to see if I was still with my Lady! Very flattering, very tempting. My spiritual work is to be Compassionate, and that means no lying, cheating, deceiving, harming others (or being harmed myself)!
All I can say is that celibacy allowed me the opportunity to make 4th chakra and higher centers have priority over the sex motive. Being Heart-Centered, crossing the Qabalistic Veil of Paroketh to center in Tiphereth is The Way. It's the Platonic and Bhagavad Gita metaphors of the horse-drawn chariot, and I've had to take of the reins fairly tightly in this incarnation. Gotta direct which orifice the life-force is gonna exit when my time is up, so I'm in training still.
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