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How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities?
    #11080438 - 09/17/09 10:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Say someone was doing something pretty illegal and has been using his or her computer. How would they know if the DEA was watching them. Just assume they are. How would you know?


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11081282 - 09/18/09 12:48 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You don't.


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: Cactii]
    #11081384 - 09/18/09 01:08 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

They are.  :ganja:


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: Darkestone]
    #11081425 - 09/18/09 01:18 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

How wouldn't you know???

Point being: the government is out to get you, and specifically you.  Always watch your back, and never become lulled into complacency.  They WILL get you, just like they did my stepsister in Kansas.


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11081429 - 09/18/09 01:19 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

we are the DEA


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11082904 - 09/18/09 11:54 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think the DEA goes around watching peoples computers.

But if they did, you would not know.

If you are paranoid, reinstall the OS, use a VPN to encrypt all outbound traffic and remove all physical keystroke loggers that may be installed.



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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11083115 - 09/18/09 12:30 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

or smash your hard drive, change your name, and move to a different state.


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: subject]
    #11084001 - 09/18/09 02:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

No need to smash your hard drive.  Overwriting all the bits once with 0's makes the data unrecoverable.


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11087484 - 09/19/09 07:30 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

They come arrest you. That's how you know.


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: subject]
    #11089782 - 09/19/09 03:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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or smash your hard drive, change your name, and move to a different state.




Don't forget to get eye implants so that the iris scanners that are everywhere- subways, clothing stores, and near the precogs- read you as a different identity.


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    #11092894 - 09/20/09 01:10 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: oxalic32]
    #11094408 - 09/20/09 12:06 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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No need to smash your hard drive.  Overwriting all the bits once with 0's makes the data unrecoverable.




That isn't true. I have recovered hard drives from full formats. You need to over write multiple times if you're dealing with the DEA's lab. trust me.




a full format doesn't overwrite the entire drive, all it does is clear all pointers to data sectors, the data is still there just as it was before, just no way to tell where a single files begins/ends and all its pieces lie.

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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #11101707 - 09/21/09 05:21 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

You'd know when a bunch of guys in full SWAT gear and automatic rifles come bashing through every opening in your house and shoot your dog.


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: Shroomism]
    #11103696 - 09/21/09 10:44 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Best case scenario ^^


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: oxalic32]
    #11109984 - 09/22/09 11:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
No need to smash your hard drive.  Overwriting all the bits once with 0's makes the data unrecoverable.




That isn't true. I have recovered hard drives from full formats. You need to over write multiple times if you're dealing with the DEA's lab. trust me.





Full formats overwrite very little of the data.  Overwriting all the bits once with 0's erases all the data.  It used to be the case that data could be retrieved after an overwrite with an electron microscope, but that was back before hard drives got so large.  Now the sector size is so small and head placement is so precise that overwriting the drive once with 0's is enough to destroy the data forever.

Even if it was possible to recover the data with an electron microscope, that process is too slow and expensive to be practical.


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11110304 - 09/23/09 12:15 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

i would think netstat in dos would give u some clue


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: bumpn]
    #11110324 - 09/23/09 12:19 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

u would need to take ur HD apart and burn the plastic disks or place them in Hydrochloric acid. or use a linix live cd .and some proxies and tell the dea to fuck off.


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11110325 - 09/23/09 12:20 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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I don't think the DEA goes around watching peoples computers.

But if they did, you would not know.

If you are paranoid, reinstall the OS, use a VPN to encrypt all outbound traffic and remove all physical keystroke loggers that may be installed.






Im clueless as to what this means:sad:


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: bumpn]
    #11110345 - 09/23/09 12:25 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

reinstalling the os wont help. they would just use data recovery software. that's why u use a linix live cd. the only data they would have is from ur isp.if ur using a proxy from a 3rd world country would solve that problem


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: bumpn]
    #11110380 - 09/23/09 12:32 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

netstat (network statistics) is a command-line tool that displays network connections (both incoming and outgoing), routing tables, and a number of network interface statistics.
so if the dea was looking at ur pc it would be under the connection see how it shows me connected to shoomery,wikipedia and such


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: bumpn]
    #11110395 - 09/23/09 12:38 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

you should just assume you are always being watched, if you look back at some of the declassified govt programs of the 60's-80's and see how messed up some of those were, I can't imagine what kind of fucked up things our governments are subjecting us to now.


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: yoshimitsu5000]
    #11110417 - 09/23/09 12:43 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

This crazy bithc thinks the gov is waisting their money on stalking her


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: yoshimitsu5000]
    #11111429 - 09/23/09 08:54 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Well, the government owns us, so we have no business disrespecting and/or contradicting them.


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: bumpn]
    #11111452 - 09/23/09 09:03 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

@bumpn

You pretty much said what I was going to. One thing though. Last time I checked the platters were metallic, not plastic. Of course these days, the drive could be a solid state so then all you got is microchips.

I'm surprised no one mentioned "DarkNuke" of "KillDisk". They overwrite every bit of a drive with random 0's and 1's for as many passes as you tell it to.

Backtrack linux is a good distro to use. Live version, MAC spoofing, and built in proxy options.


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: redsreboot]
    #11112178 - 09/23/09 11:44 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

you could be write i have yet to take apart my sata drive.looks like im advertising my pc store too .ahh i might as well give a shout out to my mod store too




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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: bumpn]
    #11115893 - 09/23/09 10:06 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Netstat only shows open connections. It would be great if the DEA put a rootkit on you, but doesn't do anything for eaves dropping. All anyone needs to eaves drop is a connection between you and the destination that the web traffic is moving through.

the links at http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5677879p should point you in the right direction as to keep anyone from being able to monitor your traffic (well, at least not anything they can gather other than what is encrypted).


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: fundamentalchair]
    #11115938 - 09/23/09 10:13 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

yep forgot about those packets


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: bumpn]
    #11126866 - 09/25/09 05:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

lol. I can tell you for a fact they really are metallic. I honestly never bothered to find out what composite, but it's a metal. They are fun to throw around and play with, but if you open a hard drive you are going to ruin it. They are vacuumed and cleaned better than any lab we could dream of. You open it and IF it even works after, it WILL fail with time. I am an IT consultant and have personally tried this one. Wait until a drive fails then open it, or find a pawn shop or something. PC hardware has gotten so cheap  that I had to get into satellite and network tech to survive.

Oh yeah, I am very new here as most can easily see. Love the site. I will be around for a long while and hope to not annoy many people. I usually just lurk the threads and learn all I can for my own "experiments".


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: redsreboot]
    #11127059 - 09/25/09 05:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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but if you open a hard drive you are going to ruin it. They are vacuumed and cleaned better than any lab we could dream of. You open it and IF it even works after, it WILL fail with time. I am an IT consultant and have personally tried this one. Wait until a drive fails then open it, or find a pawn shop or something. PC hardware has gotten so cheap  that I had to get into satellite and network tech to survive.




That is a common rumor and it is true that they work on drives in clean rooms, but...

Once one of my hard drives failed, wouldn't spin up.  I took it apart in my dirty basement shop room, to the point where the platters and heads were exposed to open air and dust.  I put a drop of oil on the drive shaft which fixed the not spinning issue.  Put it back togeather and it worked great after that for many years.

I am not sure what the plates are made of, but it is a brittle metal alloy.


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #11127267 - 09/25/09 06:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

yep ive done a hard drive mod or 2 just its been awhile


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Re: How would you know if the DEA is watching your internet activities? [Re: bumpn]
    #11127583 - 09/25/09 07:38 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

If you want something destroyed, use thermite.

Mix equal parts aluminum and iron oxide dust (by weight), ignite with a magnesium strip. It'll melt pretty much anything other than moly and tungsten.


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