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House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence...
    #11077376 - 09/17/09 04:59 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

WASHINGTON (AP) - House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday that the anti-government rhetoric over President Barack Obama's health care reform effort is concerning because it reminds her of the violent debate over gay rights that roiled San Francisco in the 1970s.

Visibly struggling to retain her composure, Pelosi recalled a time in San Francisco when emotions ran out of control, obviously referring to the assassination of Mayor George Moscone and Supervisor Harvey Milk by an angry former supervisor Dan White on Nov. 27, 1978.


Anyone voicing hateful or violent rhetoric, she told reporters, must take responsibility for the results.

"I have concerns about some of the language that is being used because I saw this myself in the late '70s in San Francisco," Pelosi said. "This kind of rhetoric was very frightening" and created a climate in which violence took place, she said.


http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=8603009

video above of her crying.

Can someone please help me understand what the leader of the united states congress is saying?

is she saying that if we keep saying mean and bad things about our Dear Leader someone will assassinate him?


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #11077475 - 09/17/09 05:14 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That does seem to be what the hole is implying.  And Dan White's assassination of those two guys had nothing to do with political disagreements.  Nancy had nothing to say about SEIU goons beating up Mr Gladney.  Speaking of San Francisco political violence.
http://sfcitizen.com/blog/tag/weathermen/

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1970 Cold Case to Be Explored at San Francisco News Conference on April 23; Evidence in Bombing Murder Points to Weather Underground
 
Campaign for Justice for Victims of Weather Underground Terrorism Urges Probe of Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn

SAN FRANCISCO, April 20 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — Pressure is mounting for an expanded probe of Weather Underground terrorists Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, and their alleged roles in the 1970 bombing murder of a San Francisco policeman. Larry Grathwohl, former FBI informant in the Weather Underground and author of Bringing Down America: An FBI Informer with the Weathermen, will repeat his sworn testimony that points to the involvement of the Weather Underground in the bombing murder of Sgt. Brian V. McDonnell at a 12:30 p.m. News Conference on Thursday, April 23, 2009, at the Marriott Courtyard San Francisco Downtown, 299 Second Street, in the Rincon Hill room. Grathwohl says that he was at a meeting where Ayers said that his wife Dohrn had planted the bomb





Huh.  How odd.


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #11077485 - 09/17/09 05:17 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

balance between freedom and safety? what a loon.


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #11077515 - 09/17/09 05:23 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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"Anyone voicing hateful or violent rhetoric", she told reporters, "must take responsibility for the results."

is she saying that if we keep saying mean and bad things about our Dear Leader someone will assassinate him?




Mean and bad are a lot softer substitutes for the words "hateful" and "violent", but I'm sure you already knew that.


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: THC Titan]
    #11077558 - 09/17/09 05:27 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:

"Anyone voicing hateful or violent rhetoric", she told reporters, "must take responsibility for the results."

is she saying that if we keep saying mean and bad things about our Dear Leader someone will assassinate him?




Mean and bad are a lot softer substitutes for the words "hateful" and "violent", but I'm sure you already knew that.




I didn't see pelosi doing this when "hateful" and "violent" things were being said about Bush. How funny.


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: THC Titan]
    #11077598 - 09/17/09 05:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

did you watch the video? shes the poster child for Term Limits!
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lonestar2004 said:

"Anyone voicing hateful or violent rhetoric", she told reporters, "must take responsibility for the results."

is she saying that if we keep saying mean and bad things about our Dear Leader someone will assassinate him?




Mean and bad are a lot softer substitutes for the words "hateful" and "violent", but I'm sure you already knew that.




After 8 years of BushHilter i have no idea what the fuck shes talking about....


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: danielx]
    #11077653 - 09/17/09 05:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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THC Titan said:
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lonestar2004 said:

"Anyone voicing hateful or violent rhetoric", she told reporters, "must take responsibility for the results."

is she saying that if we keep saying mean and bad things about our Dear Leader someone will assassinate him?




Mean and bad are a lot softer substitutes for the words "hateful" and "violent", but I'm sure you already knew that.




I didn't see pelosi doing this when "hateful" and "violent" things were being said about Bush. How funny.




Here's some sentences that came out of her mouth:

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"I wish that we all again would curb our enthusiasm in some of the statements that are made, with the understanding that some of the ears this is falling on are not as balanced as the person making the statement might assume," Pelosi said.

She stressed again that people are free to speak out. "But I also think they have to take responsibility for any incitement they may cause," she said.




There are crackpots who believe the President - who hates the white race, rich people, and America - is a foreign-born alien, possibly Muslim, and is literally transforming the country into an all-but-official Marxist state. No more capitalism. In addition, he hates your grandma and your under-10s, and especially wants to kill babies.

Doesn't that sound like someone a true-blooded American patriot would want dead?

When they hear some of those ideas reinforced on Fox News, it's not surprising to consider the possibility of vigilante feelings bubbling to the surface of their mind and them acting out on it.


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: THC Titan]
    #11077865 - 09/17/09 06:07 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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There are crackpots who believe the President - who hates the white race, rich people, and America - is a foreign-born alien, possibly Muslim, and is literally transforming the country into an all-but-official Marxist state. No more capitalism. In addition, he hates your grandma and your under-10s, and especially wants to kill babies.

Doesn't that sound like someone a true-blooded American patriot would want dead?





sounds like you're projecting your beliefs of what a patriot is


when will people wise up and realize, there is no hate speech, there's only free speech*


*unless Kommisar Pelosi has her way


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11077957 - 09/17/09 06:20 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

exactly! they want us to STFU!!!


first a former US President comes out and says people we do not agree with Obama are racist!

and now the person just 2 heart beats away from the presidency comes out crying and says shes is worried about violence?


what are they up to?


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11078030 - 09/17/09 06:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If Barack Obama was born in Kenya, he never went through the naturalization process, making him an illegal alien and constitutionally, a usurper to the highest public office in the land. He is not even a Christian, and moreover, is determined to transform our free enterprise system into a full-blown Marxist state. Shit, he's complicit in the murder/euthanasia of seniors and babies!

Sounds like a fair target to me! Might as well be a terrorist himself.

^^^ People could conceivably believe such a thing, no?


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: THC Titan]
    #11078115 - 09/17/09 06:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

> ^^^ People could conceivably believe such a thing, no?

People believe in chemtrails, fema camps, secret lizard races, healing crystals, and a bunch of other baloney.  People are idiots.  This doesn't mean they are murdering idiots.

*gasp* George Bush plans to institute martial law and become the first King of America dumbing us all down with chemtrails and forcing us to live in fema camps.  He used NASA space rays to direct hurricane Katrina towards N.O. to start thinning the population and introduced SARS and a bunch of other diseases to do the rest of us in.  Better take him out before he gets us all... :rolleyes:

^^^ People could conceivably believe such a thing, no?  And yet, as far as we know, no idiots tried to kill Bush. 


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: THC Titan]
    #11078189 - 09/17/09 06:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I don't remember where you and Nan stood on this:
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/09/10/a_new_low_in_bush_hatred/

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A new low in Bush-hatred

By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist  |  September 10, 2006

SIX YEARS into the Bush administration, are there any new lows to which the Bush-haters can sink?

George W. Bush has been smeared by the left with every insult imaginable. He has been called a segregationist who yearns to revive Jim Crow and compared ad nauseam to Adolf Hitler. His detractors have accused him of being financially entwined with Osama bin Laden. Of presiding over an American gulag. Of being a latter-day Mussolini. Howard Dean has proffered the ``interesting theory" that the Saudis tipped off Bush in advance about 9/11. One US senator (Ted Kennedy) has called the war in Iraq a ``fraud" that Bush ``cooked up in Texas" for political gain; another ( Vermont independent James Jeffords) has charged him with planning a war in Iran as a strategy to put his brother in the White House. Cindy Sheehan has called him a ``lying bastard," a ``filth spewer," an ``evil maniac," a ``fuehrer," and a ``terrorist" guilty of ``blatant genocide" -- and been rewarded for her invective with oceans of media attention.

What else can they say about Bush? That they want him killed?

They already say it.

On Air America, talk show host Randi Rhodes recommended doing to Bush what Michael Corleone, in ``The Godfather, Part II," does to his brother. ``Like Fredo," she said, ``somebody ought to take him out fishing and phuw!" -- then imitated the sound of a gunshot. In the Guardian, a leading British daily, columnist Charlie Brooker issued a plea: ``John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr. -- where are you now that we need you?"

For the more literary Bush-hater, there is ``Checkpoint," a novel by Nicholson Baker in which two characters discuss the wisdom of shooting the president. ``I'm going to kill that bastard," one character fumes. Some Bush-hatred masquerades as art: At Chicago's Columbia College, a curated exhibit included a sheet of mock postage stamps bearing the words ``Patriot Act" and depicting President Bush with a gun to his head. There are even Bush-assassination fashion statements, such as the ``KILL BUSH" T-shirts that were on offer last year at CafePress, an online retailer.

Lurid political libels have a long history in American life. The lies told about John Adams in the campaign of 1800 were vile enough, his wife Abigail lamented, ``to ruin and corrupt the minds and morals of the best people in the world." But has there ever been a president so hated by his enemies that they lusted openly for his death? Or tried to gratify that lust with such political pornography?

As with other kinds of porn, even the most graphic expressions of Bush-hatred tend to jade those who gorge on it, so that they crave ever more explicit material to achieve the same effect.

Which brings us to ``Death of a President," a new movie about the assassination of George W. Bush.

Written and directed by British filmmaker Gabriel Range, the movie premieres today at the Toronto Film Festival and will air next month on Britain's Channel 4. Shot in the style of a documentary, the movie opens with what looks like actual footage of Bush being gunned down by a sniper as he leaves a Chicago hotel in October 2007. Through the use of digital special effects, the film superimposes the president's face onto the body of the actor playing him, so that the mortally wounded man collapsing on the screen will seem, all too vividly, to be Bush himself.

This is Bush-hatred as a snuff film. The fantasies it feeds are grotesque and obscene; to pander to such fantasies is to rip at boundary-markers that are indispensable to civilized society. That such a movie could not only be made but lionized at an international film festival is a mark not of sophistication, but of a sickness in modern life that should alarm conservatives and liberals alike.

Naturally that's not how the film's promoters see it. Noah Cowan, one of the Toronto festival's codirectors, high-mindedly describes ``Death of a President" as ``a classic cautionary tale." Well, yes, Bush's assassination is ``harrowing," he says, but what the film is really about is ``how the Patriot Act, especially, and how Bush's divisive partisanship and race-baiting has forever altered America."

I can't help wondering, though, whether some of those who see this film will take away rather a different message. John Hinckley, in his derangement, had the idea that shooting the president was the way to impress a movie star. After seeing ``Death of a President," the next Hinckley may get a more grandiose idea: Shooting the president is the way to become a movie star.




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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11078217 - 09/17/09 06:57 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

> I don't remember where you and Nan stood on this:

There you go pointing out the double standard and being all racist and stuff.  Shame on you!


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: lonestar2004]
    #11078497 - 09/17/09 07:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You can see the hag with a whip here:



http://artoftalk.tv/2009/05/18/morning-joe-nancy-pinocchio-pelosi/

I like this picture of Bush and Cheney waterboarding the hag.



http://www.papamiket.com/?m=20090522


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: Seuss]
    #11078650 - 09/17/09 08:07 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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And yet, as far as we know, no idiots tried to kill Bush.




"A man has confessed to throwing a live grenade near where U.S. President George W. Bush was speaking during the American leader's visit to Georgia in May, a government official says.

Vladimer Arutiniani, 27, was wounded then detained in former Soviet nation Georgia on Wednesday, following gunfire in which a policeman was killed, Interior Minister Ivane Merabishvili told reporters."

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/07/21/bush.grenade/index.html

Pelosi is an idiot but she does have a point in this case (albeit one she is exploiting for political purposes). This is normally the way violence occurs in a political setting. People attend these gatherings and people say more and more extreme things until some nutcase takes it to another level. This has happened in the anti-abortion movement for example. It also happened during the civil rights movement of the sixties.

Make no mistake, the vast majority of those opposing Obama's plans are peaceful patriots but there is the normal distribution of nutbags and wanna be heroes who mistake the passion for hate and act out. People need to act responsibly especially when you're walking around in a powder keg.


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: zorbman]
    #11078879 - 09/17/09 08:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

> "A man has confessed to throwing a live grenade

Ok, no American... I thought that was implied by the dialog, but apparently not.


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: Seuss]
    #11078943 - 09/17/09 08:52 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

There will always be nuts who want to kill the President and it has not one thing to do with the level of discourse.  Consider Hinkley.  In fact, I don't think any of the assassins were ever motivated by policy positions, except maybe Booth?  Anyone?


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #11079017 - 09/17/09 09:02 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

> In fact, I don't think any of the assassins were ever motivated by policy positions, except maybe Booth?  Anyone?

Depends upon what you believe, but perhaps JFK.  Still, you make a valid point... most (if not all) presidential assassinations (in the US) are done by nutjobs with mental issues rather than idiots with political issues... or racists /sarcasm


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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: THC Titan]
    #11080586 - 09/18/09 12:43 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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If Barack Obama was born in Kenya, he never went through the naturalization process, making him an illegal alien and constitutionally, a usurper to the highest public office in the land. He is not even a Christian, and moreover, is determined to transform our free enterprise system into a full-blown Marxist state. Shit, he's complicit in the murder/euthanasia of seniors and babies!

Sounds like a fair target to me! Might as well be a terrorist himself.

^^^ People could conceivably believe such a thing, no?





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Re: House Leader Pelosi Chokes Up Amid Fears of Political Violence... [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11080791 - 09/18/09 01:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Well, like I said I was at the protests in D.C. and I'll say outright that I didn't hear anyone say that they were going to assassinate the president.

But what I did hear was a few people saying it was going to happen, that they think people are so mad (and that Obama is so bad) that its going to happen. Most of the people around would shake their heads and say "no. . ." in a "please shut up your making everyone look bad and no one agrees with you" kind of way.

But the fact that there are people out there that think its going to happen (and I think secretly hope it does) makes a scary atmosphere. I know that 99% of the Tea party protesters are generally good people, with good (if not misled) intentions. But like John Wilkes Booth proved, it only takes one (well, three or four in that case) wacko to mess the whole thing up for everyone. Booth thought he was going to be a hero in the south, he soon found out that was not the case.

If someone assassinates or attempts to assassinate Obama, they will do it with a thought that they are representing the Tea Party protesters. Of course, as with Booth, they will soon find very little sympathy from anyone.


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