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psilly candy
    #1107650 - 12/03/02 05:52 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

here is a really rough draft of my tek for those who may want to try it..
(plz critique)
Materials needed:
* dried fungus.
* blender...( not a necessity....just crush it as fine as possible)
* 1 small pot. (as small in diameter as you can get)
* 2 to 3 cups of granulated Sugar
* 2 1/2 cups of distilled water
* 1 Mason Jar ( preferably 1/2 gallon) w/ lid band or a rubberband.
* 1 candy thermometer
* Empty tea bags.
* 1 filter disk.
* 1 string w/ a paper clip tied to the bottom (used as a weight)
* 1 stapler.
* Piece of cotton string
* optional: food coloring.
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B4 you begin:
put a small hole in the center of the Filter disk.
pull the string through the hole and tie the end.
Put the paper clip on the end of the string to help it hang straight down.
Lay the filter disk over the top of the glass jar so that the string hangs down inside the jar.
The end of the string should not touch the bottom of the jar.
Moisten the string with a little water and roll it in the sugar.
let it dry. (The granulated sugar on the string will act as seed crystals. )





1. Take and dry your fungi...you want a total of 4 grams dry.
take your cracker dry fungi and toss it in the blender.
blend in short bursts.

2 Take your fungi powder and stuff it in empty tea bags.
if you only have teabags pre-filled with tea, take care
when emptying them, be delicate as possible.
once you have your fungi powder stuffed, fold over the top
of the bag & staple it shut, along w/ the original tea bag string.

3. take you pot, put the water in it, put the fire on high.
4. once you see a slight boil/simmer toss in the shroom bags.
5. let it boil for 10 minutes.,
occasionally taking the bags out and pressing the bags against the pot wall with a spoon.
(pushin the liquid goods out)
from the time you started and up to this point, your 2 ? cups of water should have evaporated now, to about 1 to 1? cups.
the temps should be somewhere between 212*F - 252*F.
(my thermometer read 225*F at this point)
6. take your tea bags and w/ a spoon sqeeze 1 last time, and remove.
7. Take your Sugar and pour in 1? cups and stir until the
crystals fully dissolve.,
keep adding more until all the sugar is saturated but will no longer dissolve.
Saturated means that it will contain all the sugar it can hold at that temperature.

8.Remove from heat.
9.Continue to stir the solution as the solution cools to 125?F.
optional: a few drops of food coloring.
10. pour this saturated psilo-sugar mixture into the mason jar.
11. put the fdisk on.
12.put the glass in a cool place where it can sit undisturbed for a few days.
if all goes well, in 10 dayz youll have some good shit to share with your friends.
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notes:
psilocybin's melting point: 220-228? C (Crystals from boiling water)
(isnt that around 430*F?)
use distilled water only!
and in regards to adding absorbic or citric acids:
in my research, acids literally "invert" the process
of crystallization, basically creating goop,
instead of crystals.

Rock Candy, like any candy recipe,
is very unforgiving.
and can fail.

ill redo this as soon as i get some sleep.
goodnight. (morning 4 the rest of the world)
this is basically a continuation of this thread that i had made.


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Re: psilly candy [Re: 40oz]
    #1107737 - 12/03/02 06:20 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

1 more thing:
im almost pretty sure that this will also work
with THC...
so yeah, save them stems!


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Re: psilly candy [Re: 40oz]
    #1107840 - 12/03/02 07:29 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

So, you actually tried this and had it work? If so, that's great.. It seems to me that most of the psilocybin is just going to stay in the water. The sugar will precipitate and probably some of the psilocybin would be in the crystals as well, but I think that you would lose most of it. About the THC, it's fat soluble and not water soluble so doing it like that would definitely not work. That is a great idea though.. I remember reading about someone using a crude mushroom extract in a gummi worm type concoction..


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Re: psilly candy [Re: NeonBlack]
    #1107918 - 12/03/02 08:12 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

Are we forgeting that crystalization is a method of purifying crystaline solids?the rock candy method will probably NOT work and leave you with a concentrated solution of sugar and alkaloids.Better incorporating dried powdered fungi in a hard candy recipe.Now should you extract enough psilocybin to create a supersaturated solution you could in theory grow crystaline psilocybin and it would act to purify the product.Crystal "doping" is a complex process and it involves matching electrochemical building blocks to form the crystal lattice.I do not think Psilocybin will precipitate into a crystal matrix unless it is in a supersaturated salt solution.Good luck though It would be cool to be wrong on this one :wink:WR 


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Re: psilly candy [Re: 40oz]
    #1108165 - 12/03/02 10:26 PM (14 years, 11 days ago)

Have you actually tried this method?

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Re: psilly candy [Re: whiterasta]
    #1108806 - 12/04/02 02:20 AM (14 years, 11 days ago)

As the crystal forms, imperfections can be taken up and incorporated into the crystal lattice structure. Food coloring takes advantage of this fact and is used to create colored crystals.
i would also say the indoles would also take advantage of this fact.


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Re: psilly candy [Re: NeonBlack]
    #1108817 - 12/04/02 02:25 AM (14 years, 11 days ago)

In reply to:

About the THC, it's fat soluble and not water soluble so doing it like that would definitely not work.



hmm...well it was a last minute thought i had...
but it leaves me with an open mind...


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Re: psilly candy [Re: Joshua]
    #1108818 - 12/04/02 02:26 AM (14 years, 11 days ago)

In reply to:

Have you actually tried this method?




im in the process of experimentation...
...but follow the links in my original posts...


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Re: psilly candy [Re: 40oz]
    #1109233 - 12/04/02 07:44 AM (14 years, 10 days ago)

Actually "THC" or honey oil can be added to hard candy recipes with GREAT success,but in order to have it incorporate into crystals one would need a mutual solvent for sugar and cannabinoids but leaves edible crystals.I worked in a sugar plant and we worked with several organic acids in the lab working on new processes some probably would be solvents to both substances.As for the food coloring in rock candy......take some colored rock candy and disolve it,Very little "color" is actually entrained and certainly not enough for Psilocybin to be active.You may entrain some small amounts but not the 10-15mg dosage level.Better to make the rocks and dip them in Acid.Using Psilocybin extract in hard candy is going to give MUCH better results :wink:WR :grin:


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Re: psilly candy [Re: 40oz]
    #1109250 - 12/04/02 08:27 AM (14 years, 10 days ago)

just eat the damn mushrooms


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Re: psilly candy [Re: rhizo]
    #1109273 - 12/04/02 08:47 AM (14 years, 10 days ago)

That's usually the best method :laugh:


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Re: psilly candy [Re: whiterasta]
    #1109983 - 12/04/02 03:15 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

As for the food coloring in rock candy......take some colored rock candy and disolve it,Very little "color" is actually entrained and certainly not enough for Psilocybin to be active. 



well thats completely obvious; how much food coloring are we putting in it? a few drops...
we are using a solution of psilocybin...not a few drops of psilocybin.....
...sugar will be supersaturated in a psilocybin solution..
crystals WILL form...but..
this "recipe" is based on molecular theory...
...its either hit or miss...
there are many scientific factors beyond our discussions,
that can make or break this experiment...
...id rather experiment physically, and then learn the science....not vise versa... :smile:


     


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Re: psilly candy [Re: rhizo]
    #1110037 - 12/04/02 03:34 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

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just eat the damn mushrooms



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now what part of that didnt you understand?
if you dont have anything beneficial to add to the conversation,
other than "just eat the damn mushrooms"
then id suggest you take your
newbie ass, your brf cakes, and your vermiculite casings
back to the mush cult forum, where your insight belongs.
in this forum a spoonful weighs a ton.
dont stand in line when you know you arent tall enough for the ride.
have a nice day.


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Re: psilly candy [Re: 40oz]
    #1110183 - 12/04/02 04:26 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

u asked for crtque help so here it is....

Why soak the powdered shroomies at all? Powdered shrooms suck to deal with and trying to stuff them into little sacks seems kinda like a huge pain. I guess those tea balls with larger pieces would be more "efficient" than powdering and trying to fit into tea bags.

Why not just do an "infusion" of the shrooms in the first place and start of with that as your original source or h2o? If it has something to the temp at which crystalization occurs then aren't you at some point running contradicory to the ideas at which desireable components of the shroom degrade?

OR better yet you could add the infused shrooms to the already solute sugar to cool it eh????


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Re: psilly candy [Re: upupup]
    #1110268 - 12/04/02 04:49 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

In reply to:

Why soak the powdered shroomies at all? Powdered shrooms suck to deal with and trying to stuff them into little sacks seems kinda like a huge pain. I guess those tea balls with larger pieces would be more "efficient" than powdering and trying to fit into tea bags.




the finer the shrooms the better the extract...
In reply to:

Why not just do an "infusion" of the shrooms in the first place and start of with that as your original source or h2o?



thats why i state to boil for 10 minutes....

In reply to:

If it has something to the temp at which crystalization occurs then aren't you at some point running contradicory to the ideas at which desireable components of the shroom degrade?





we're boiling in essence for a period of no more than 20 minutes...at temps between 200?F - 252?F.
psilocybin's melting point is i think around 430? F...


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Re: psilly candy [Re: 40oz]
    #1110809 - 12/04/02 07:23 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

ok, slap me if I'm a dunce(I'm not a chemist) but, does simple boiling of the mushorom powder extract all of the Psilocybin? I was under the assumption that alkaloid extraction was much more complicated then that. if it's not, you could simply boil a buch of mushrooms for a while, as Psilocybin doesnt melt untill about 428.0 f, let the water evaporate and have Psilocybin and other alkaloids left?


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Re: psilly candy [Re: Loop_Theorist]
    #1110838 - 12/04/02 07:34 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

This isn't in line with the rest of the conversation, but it is on the same subject, so here.

I've found that one can grind up the shrooms (blender, coffee grinder, mortar & pestle) to a powder, then mix it with liquid chocolate candy (before the choco sets up). Put the liquid choco in molds, and the choco will harden with the powder in it. This makes the chocolate a litte strange, but if you grind up the shrooms enough it won't be too vegetative. You can even put lolly sticks in the choco and have choco lollies. Very fun.


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Re: psilly candy [Re: 40oz]
    #1111023 - 12/04/02 08:38 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

I'm interested to hear about your results 40. As for the remaining psilo-sugar solution, is there left over solution or is it all crystalized on the string? I did this(minus the fungi) when I was younger and dont remember if there was solution left over.


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Re: psilly candy [Re: 40oz]
    #1111664 - 12/04/02 11:21 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

"now what part of that didnt you understand?
if you dont have anything beneficial to add to the conversation,
other than "just eat the damn mushrooms"
then id suggest you take your
newbie ass, your brf cakes, and your vermiculite casings
back to the mush cult forum, where your insight belongs.
in this forum a spoonful weighs a ton.
dont stand in line when you know you arent tall enough for the ride.
have a nice day."

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Re: psilly candy [Re: 40oz]
    #1111676 - 12/04/02 11:25 PM (14 years, 10 days ago)

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