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 Time to fruit this coir tub? 
#11066238 - 09/15/09 08:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sorry about photo quality. Here is my coir tub, rice spawned to coir.
The myc is very fluffy and kinda see-through, it's been a slow two weeks getting here. In fact I'd think it's cobweb except that it took so damn long to grow.
Do I fruit now or give it another 2 days to consolidate? Considering the slow growth I'm also expecting a slow fruiter and I don't want to let it overlay since I'm not going to be casing it.
If I start fruiting conditions now it'll probably have another day or two of colonization before it starts to catch up. Anybody have any ideas?
Edited by ozzyozzyozzy (09/15/09 08:43 PM)
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11066341 - 09/15/09 08:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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ozzyozzyozzy said:
If I start fruiting conditions now it'll probably have another day or two of colonization before it starts to catch up.
There you go.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11066363 - 09/15/09 08:54 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wait until it's 100% and then fruit it. You don't have to let bulk consolidate for it to effectively fruit. I've been layering my spawn into my bulk, leaving a layer of straight manure on top, so usually when it's 100% colonized on top, I can almost guarantee it's colonized throughout. I haven't had one contam yet, so fingers crossed!
Yours looks ready to go. You're not going to have 100% snow white on everything. Your bound to have places that look like there is only a thin layer of mycelium covering it, which is normal. Sometimes you can sort of see through the mycelium and see the color of your bulk substrate. Click on the horse poo pictorial tek in my signature to see some of the 100% colonized trays that Roadkill did.
 
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: Project]
#11066538 - 09/15/09 09:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Done and done. Cheers guys. The substrate is wetter than I expected but I've added a fair number of holes for FAE so it should evaporate soon enough.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11066577 - 09/15/09 09:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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It will. You'll need to fan that out, so you can mist a little as needed.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: Doc_T]
#11066616 - 09/15/09 09:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I decided to be somewhat proactive, since once in the past I had a huge problem with overlay due to massive droplets of water along the top.
I fanned like hell and used some tissues to clear up any visible water/moisture along the walls and the top of the substrate. I'll mist as needed but I don't want it too wet.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11121553 - 09/24/09 08:22 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aw what a cute little chode.
(It's not PE, I think it's GT)
The dry/flaking of the outer skin is a symptom of low RH isn't it? Also can I inject water a cm or so into the substrate, 10mls total, 1ml each injection site? Or is that liable to cause more trouble that its worth?
Just worried about drying it out a bit, but I'm misting a lot and I'm also worried about it getting too soggy on the surface.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11121565 - 09/24/09 08:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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no, low RH would cause scaling of the cap. It would look like you cut an X on the cap.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: veda_sticks]
#11121605 - 09/24/09 08:30 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I remember a year ago someone posting a reply saying the dry/flakey skin was a symptom of something. Could have sworn it was too-low RH. Or is that normal? I've never had mushrooms not have it.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11121689 - 09/24/09 08:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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i thought it was normal i can usualy wipe the cap and comes off
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: feelfunny]
#11121717 - 09/24/09 08:45 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm not talking about the cap, I mean the peeling skin on the stem of the mushroom as it grows. It's flakey and looks a bit like string peeling off. I've never not had them grow like that but someone mentioned a while back that it was indicative of low RH, what's the go? I'm looking for some high res photos of mushrooms right now to compare.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11121812 - 09/24/09 08:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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is that the only one?
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: feelfunny]
#11121820 - 09/24/09 08:58 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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 a few of these kind of have something close
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: feelfunny]
#11121888 - 09/24/09 09:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Every pin + mushroom I have shows those flakey/shedding skins.
I suspect it may be hydration deficiency, especially since in that last picture, the first + biggest mushrooms are fine, but later on (When the moisture would have been used up a bit) the mushrooms all start to show shedding.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11121893 - 09/24/09 09:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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hhmmm well sounds like a sound thearey
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11121903 - 09/24/09 09:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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its probably due to rapid growth. caps will sometimes split looking like petals when they grow too fast for there own good
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: veda_sticks]
#11121917 - 09/24/09 09:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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   by no means am i saying thats wrong but these did this in less than 5 days no split looking like petals as you say. whats the differance? really just a question
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11121984 - 09/24/09 09:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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No no I'm not talking about the cap. My caps don't split, I'm talking about the stringy, sheddy part of the stem.
See how it's peeling and appears very fibrous as opposed to most mushroom fruiting bodies, which are smooth and continuous?
Also injecting water into a fully colonized substrate is nigh impossible and I barely got half a ml into the substrate through 6-8 injection points so I gave up and just misted the hell outta it.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11121995 - 09/24/09 09:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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i know i was talking to Veda cuz he said it happen because of rapid growth. i know that's not what you are talking about
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: feelfunny]
#11122000 - 09/24/09 09:25 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
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a few of these kind of have something close
some of these have it about hlf way up the stem though...i think
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: feelfunny]
#11122012 - 09/24/09 09:27 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ah right, yeah. Gotcha.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11128965 - 09/25/09 11:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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You guys like pin porn?
There's a tonne more down the sides (regretting not bagging it now  ). The substrate is WBS spawned to coir, worm castings and vermiculite. Casing is vermiculite. Chucked in a monotub.
Edit: I should mention, this is a different tub to the one previously discussed.
Edited by ozzyozzyozzy (09/25/09 11:45 PM)
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11129067 - 09/25/09 11:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lookin good 
You have a hygrometer? Whats your humidity at? From the pic it looks like the surface may be dry
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Don't have a hygrometer. I mist and fan the hell out of the surface. I'm worried I mist too much because if you look at the mushrooms you can see a fine layer of moisture on them, and in some cases actual mycelium growing (which, IIRC, is an indicator of either high RH or overmisting).
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11129112 - 09/26/09 12:04 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I recommend you pick one up, theres no real way to guess humidity, and obviously optimum humidity will give you better results. Whenever you fan you need to mist to restore the humidity lost during fanning, but if youre just guessing you dont know.
I got a hygrometer at pet store designed for use inside humid reptile tanks. It was digital but some say the analog dials are better
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the scaley stems are just a trait that cubes have. its nothing to worry about. it happens all the time... or it doesnt.
i have no idea which parameters contribute to this tendency, but its completely normal.
i'm guessing it has to do with a lack of moisture, either in the sub or the air, neither of which you would want too much of.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: chronosync]
#11129241 - 09/26/09 12:37 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ah that clears it up then, cheers.
I'm trying to mist as much as I can without letting it go soggy, but in regards to Steven Seagal's advice.. I always understood that you were supposed to mist then fan, so as to encourage faster evaporation. Is that only as a pinning trigger, and once you're fruiting you want to mist after fanning to replace moisture lost during FAE?
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11129247 - 09/26/09 12:40 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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When you remove the lid of the monotub, humidity is lost so you need to mist to replace it.
Again, you're not going to know what the humidity actually is until you get a hygrometer. Its money well spent. The digital one I got was like $25 but Im sure they have analog ones for less than $5
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it;s a catch22. you want top level moisture content and high humidity, but you dont want over saturization or an overly humid environment, and yet you still need plenty of air.
this makes me sympathize with tightrope performers and balancing acts...
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: chronosync]
#11129350 - 09/26/09 01:07 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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All you need is a hygrometer.
Once you have a hygrometer, you'll find out just how close you can place a fan to your tub before it causes your humidity to drop.
Then youve found the maximum amount of fresh air exchange you can provide while simultaneously maintaining maximum humidity.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11135336 - 09/27/09 02:28 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
ozzyozzyozzy said:
You guys like pin porn?
There's a tonne more down the sides (regretting not bagging it now ). The substrate is WBS spawned to coir, worm castings and vermiculite. Casing is vermiculite. Chucked in a monotub.
Edit: I should mention, this is a different tub to the one previously discussed.
Here's the same tub 26 hrs later. It's been a while since I've grown mushrooms but I don't remember them growing this slowly!
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11135468 - 09/27/09 03:24 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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looks fine 2 me.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11135470 - 09/27/09 03:24 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dont start worrying yet man. They will take off! Just be patient they look great. As for the "scaling flakey stems" All of my shrooms have that but its really not dry or flakey it just looks that way. Its completely normal. Your pinset looks great. Keep up the good work. 
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: Triptonic]
#11135484 - 09/27/09 03:33 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ah I'm not worried about the growth of the shrooms. Obviously I'm used to them growing faster because in the past they've grown huge in just a few days, but I don't mind.
Just like posting pictures online in case anybody else likes looking at pinsets as much as I do 
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11135488 - 09/27/09 03:35 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh I love lookin at pinsets. That one looks like a biggun'
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11135504 - 09/27/09 03:51 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah I'm hoping it's hydrated enough to support it. It's coir + castings so should have enough nutrients for a reasonable grow, but I wasn't expecting this many pins. I'm misting like crazy but I'm surprised by how much it soaks up. The walls are dripping but the mushrooms (the caps etc) are pretty dry to the touch, while in previous grows they've been sorta slimy.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11135511 - 09/27/09 03:56 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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They look fine man. I just got done doing a mono with just coir. If you mist the shrooms themselves they get dimples in them.
Stopped misting for the second flush and they looked a lot better. The caps werent slimey at all. But just make sure your RH is up and you will be fine.
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: Triptonic]
#11135531 - 09/27/09 04:07 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Unfortunately no real way for me to give them FAE and still keep RH up without misting. If only I could give each shroom a little umbrella Or a condom
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Re: Time to fruit this coir tub? [Re: ozzyozzyozzy]
#11135553 - 09/27/09 04:18 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm sain mist the sides not directly on the pins. Dont know if you are doin that or not, but the humidity will stay up if you do. They look good anyways 
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