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Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan
    #11064305 - 09/15/09 02:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

our generals are addicted to asking for more money
why cant they ever estimate the cost accurately in the first place
its not like they low ball it
this is the typical american way
just like what we did with the native americans
first we had them sign the paper stating we can have a little bit of land
then came back asking for more, then more, more and more til we had more than them
thats how we roll, we just snowball it
its because we assume everybody is shortsighted so we just ask for little increments at a time and eventually get a huge massive amount that know body would have approved in the first place


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Coaster]
    #11064446 - 09/15/09 02:53 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

the guy speaking is a dumbass.
he says uuuuuuhhhh every sentence he stated.
and takes 3 second brakes for a new one.
you can also see the expression on his face that he is straining his brain.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: elementswrath]
    #11064743 - 09/15/09 03:45 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

elementswrath said:
the guy speaking is a dumbass.
he says uuuuuuhhhh every sentence he stated.
and takes 3 second brakes for a new one.
you can also see the expression on his face that he is straining his brain.




I didn't watch the vid, but when calling someone a dumbass you should at least know the difference between "brakes" and "breaks".

Let's not even discuss your inability to formulate a sentence.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

Edited by luvdemshrooms (09/15/09 08:20 PM)

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #11064784 - 09/15/09 03:52 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

brake - anything that has a slowing or stopping effect

i.e. his brain


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Coaster]
    #11064835 - 09/15/09 04:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Coaster said:
thats how we roll, we just snowball it
its because we assume everybody is shortsighted so we just ask for little increments at a time and eventually get a huge massive amount that know body would have approved in the first place




Particularly when the Taliban offered to hand Bin Laden over to the US if they offered proof of his guilt.

too much to ask?:shrug:

Plus if people knew how much the Afghanistan war was gonna cost (or wars in general) I doubt they would've went for Iraq. I still remember Cheney saying that the US would be in and out of there in 6 months tops. LOL


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Coaster]
    #11065233 - 09/15/09 05:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Coaster said:
brake - anything that has a slowing or stopping effect

i.e. his brain




You should buy a dictionary.


3 : to interrupt one's activity or occupation for a brief period <break for lunch>


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: ScavengerType]
    #11065250 - 09/15/09 05:17 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

That's a good joke, the Taliban offered to hand over their hero! If anyone would bother to look, they would find a video confession from BL himself! Also nobody from the Bush Administration said it would be easy in Iraq! If someone wants to be a revolutionary, use facts.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #11065384 - 09/15/09 05:45 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

luvdemshrooms said:
Quote:

elementswrath said:
the guy speaking is a dumbass.
he says uuuuuuhhhh every sentence he stated.
and takes 3 second brakes for a new one.
you can also see the expression on his face that he is straining his brain.




I didn't watch the vid, but when calling someone a dumbass you should at least know the difference between "brakes" and "breaks".

Let's not even your inability to formulate a sentence.




ah you got me there.
as you can see my emotion it says messed up.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Coaster]
    #11065449 - 09/15/09 05:59 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Coaster said:
this is the typical american way
just like what we did with the native americans
first we had them sign the paper stating we can have a little bit of land
then came back asking for more, then more, more and more til we had more than them




WE didnt do any of that except through inaction, that is an act of THEM,
the government, the same government that now wants to feed more troops
to the guns, the same government that so many americans are supporting
based on the big lie told us, by THEM. so until WE as a people get out
collective heads out of our asses and stop supporting THEM, this is what
WE will continue to see

you want the war to end? dont support government, vote out the
incumbents, stop praising the 'chosen one' and hold him as accountable
as you want to hold bush

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: elementswrath]
    #11065486 - 09/15/09 06:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

elementswrath said:
the guy speaking is a dumbass.
he says uuuuuuhhhh every sentence he stated.
and takes 3 second brakes for a new one.
you can also see the expression on his face that he is straining his brain.



He might just have a slight speech impdiment.

And as for the surprise nature of this, didn't Obama campaign on the idea of putting more troops into Afghanistan?

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11065530 - 09/15/09 06:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Prisoner#1 said:


WE didnt do any of that except through inaction, that is an act of THEM,
the government, the same government that now wants to feed more troops
to the guns, the same government that so many americans are supporting
based on the big lie told us, by THEM. so until WE as a people get out
collective heads out of our asses and stop supporting THEM, this is what
WE will continue to see

you want the war to end? dont support government, vote out the
incumbents, stop praising the 'chosen one' and hold him as accountable
as you want to hold bush




:rofl2:

Right....if Obama sends more military troops to the middle east once AGAIN,


he will just blame it on bush once AGAIN!


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Chespirito]
    #11065548 - 09/15/09 06:23 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Chespirito said:
Quote:

elementswrath said:
the guy speaking is a dumbass.
he says uuuuuuhhhh every sentence he stated.
and takes 3 second brakes for a new one.
you can also see the expression on his face that he is straining his brain.



He might just have a slight speech impdiment.

And as for the surprise nature of this, didn't Obama campaign on the idea of putting more troops into Afghanistan?




you mean campaign against it?
yeah he did.
he wanted to pull out the US troops out of Afghanistan.
but looks like another government bull shitting us again.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11065561 - 09/15/09 06:24 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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C.M. Mann said:
If someone wants to be a revolutionary, use facts.




You mean like citing a commonly known fact one such source of which would be Lawrence Wright's Pulitzer prize winning "The Looming Tower: Al Qaeda and the Road to 9/11"

Yea maybe if you want to correct someone you should read the fuck up on a topic. Like for instance the status of Bin Laden's popularity before 9-11.


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: elementswrath]
    #11065613 - 09/15/09 06:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

elementswrath said:
looks like another government bull shitting us again.





Obama needs to explain what his plans are in Afghanistan.

ITS OUR MONEY! OUR CHILDREN!

what is success in Afghanistan? 

whats failure?

how much longer?

how many more troops?


dont expect the dick sucking media to be asking these questions....


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: lonestar2004]
    #11065671 - 09/15/09 06:45 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

lol partisan much? I don't dissagree, but I swear I recall you carrying a different tune when bush wanted a troop surge.


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: elementswrath]
    #11065886 - 09/15/09 07:30 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

elementswrath said:
Quote:

Chespirito said:
Quote:

elementswrath said:
the guy speaking is a dumbass.
he says uuuuuuhhhh every sentence he stated.
and takes 3 second brakes for a new one.
you can also see the expression on his face that he is straining his brain.



He might just have a slight speech impdiment.

And as for the surprise nature of this, didn't Obama campaign on the idea of putting more troops into Afghanistan?




you mean campaign against it?
yeah he did.
he wanted to pull out the US troops out of Afghanistan.
but looks like another government bull shitting us again.





Im not sure what you mean

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama#Afghanistan

"Obama announced a plan — if elected — to deploy an additional 7,000 troops to Afghanistan. "As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan" "We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there" "I would not hold our military, our resources and our foreign policy hostage to a misguided desire to maintain permanent bases in Iraq," Obama said on July 14, 2008."

He said as much many times during the debates

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: ScavengerType]
    #11065919 - 09/15/09 07:38 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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lol partisan much? I don't dissagree, but I swear I recall you carrying a different tune when bush wanted a troop surge.





IMO bush did a lot better job explaining the surge and what our goals were going to be then when he first invaded Iraq.


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We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Chespirito]
    #11066304 - 09/15/09 08:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Chespirito said:
Quote:

elementswrath said:
Quote:

Chespirito said:
Quote:

elementswrath said:
the guy speaking is a dumbass.
he says uuuuuuhhhh every sentence he stated.
and takes 3 second brakes for a new one.
you can also see the expression on his face that he is straining his brain.



He might just have a slight speech impdiment.

And as for the surprise nature of this, didn't Obama campaign on the idea of putting more troops into Afghanistan?




you mean campaign against it?
yeah he did.
he wanted to pull out the US troops out of Afghanistan.
but looks like another government bull shitting us again.





Im not sure what you mean

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama#Afghanistan

"Obama announced a plan — if elected — to deploy an additional 7,000 troops to Afghanistan. "As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan" "We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there" "I would not hold our military, our resources and our foreign policy hostage to a misguided desire to maintain permanent bases in Iraq," Obama said on July 14, 2008."

He said as much many times during the debates




that's strange.
when i watched the news he said that he would apologize to Afghanistan and pull out the troops.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: elementswrath]
    #11066399 - 09/15/09 09:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I never personally recall him taking a different position than the one I quoted

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: elementswrath]
    #11066407 - 09/15/09 09:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

its hard to keep up because Obama is all over the fucking place about the middle east.

Msnbc



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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: lonestar2004]
    #11067810 - 09/16/09 01:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i thought i was hearing things but i guess i am right.
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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: elementswrath]
    #11067817 - 09/16/09 01:41 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

it's been 19 months now and he didn't remove any troops at all.
it's all bullshit.
i wonder why people thought he was a revolution waiting to happen?

he is just another two faced government.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: elementswrath]
    #11067822 - 09/16/09 01:43 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

thats Iraq dude :voila:


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Coaster]
    #11067829 - 09/16/09 01:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Coaster said:
thats Iraq dude :voila:




sorry. i am bad at geometry.
still.
he didn't do what he said he will did he?
there is no troops returning home and that means he is a liar.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: elementswrath]
    #11067861 - 09/16/09 01:59 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

your all racists :haha:


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: elementswrath]
    #11067882 - 09/16/09 02:04 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

elementswrath said:
Quote:

Coaster said:
thats Iraq dude :voila:




sorry. i am bad at geometry.
still.
he didn't do what he said he will did he?
there is no troops returning home and that means he is a liar.



he pulled tons of troops out of iraq
and threw them in afghan lol


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Coaster]
    #11067894 - 09/16/09 02:07 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

thats what he said he was gunna do in one of the interviews i watched during the campaigning.  was gunna pull troops from iraq but was going to continue the war against terror or w/e and mentioned afgrannys

when the troops finally come home it will be to finally "end" the war on terror if you catch my drift


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Coaster]
    #11067907 - 09/16/09 02:09 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Coaster said:
Quote:

elementswrath said:
Quote:

Coaster said:
thats Iraq dude :voila:




sorry. i am bad at geometry.
still.
he didn't do what he said he will did he?
there is no troops returning home and that means he is a liar.



he pulled tons of troops out of iraq
and threw them in afghan lol




:lol:
that's most likely what he did.
"lets stop a war then start another"

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: elementswrath]
    #11067967 - 09/16/09 02:27 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

it is people were put on planes from iraq STRAIGHT to afghanistan
its b/c he said thats were the real terrorists were


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Coaster]
    #11068056 - 09/16/09 02:47 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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it is people were put on planes from iraq STRAIGHT to afghanistan
its b/c he said thats were the real terrorists were




what are "real" terrorist?
where the ones in Iraq fake?
:lol:
i don't even believe anything that the government says.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: elementswrath]
    #11068071 - 09/16/09 02:55 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

ya the ones in iraq werent there until we got there
the ones in afghan have been there since we trained them to fite russia


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: makaveli8x8]
    #11071093 - 09/16/09 03:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Clinton/Gore said they would legalize marijuana. The history of liberal Democrats is to blow smoke up their own people's ass, and they put up with it!

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11071231 - 09/16/09 04:10 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Clinton/Gore said they would legalize marijuana.




no they didnt, no president has taken a stance to legalize

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    #11073832 - 09/16/09 11:29 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

You are wrong! Clinton/Gore had a special session with people from mtv, High Times...  As part of their campaign they tried to put together a group that could appeal to the the youth. They were brought together to witness a new age in America, what they got was smoke blown up their ass!  They were told by Clinton/Gore that if they voted for them, they would legalize Marijuana. Of course like all liberal politicians, they threw them under the bus.  They were also told not to complain!

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11073956 - 09/16/09 11:46 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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You are wrong! Clinton/Gore had a special session with people from mtv, High Times...  As part of their campaign they tried to put together a group that could appeal to the the youth. They were brought together to witness a new age in America, what they got was smoke blown up their ass!  They were told by Clinton/Gore that if they voted for them, they would legalize Marijuana. Of course like all liberal politicians, they threw them under the bus.  They were also told not to complain!




Is there a source for this? Clinton didn't even want to admit he inhaled it.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11075111 - 09/17/09 06:31 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I think that's a load of crap.

Link please.


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11075204 - 09/17/09 07:25 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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You are wrong! Clinton/Gore had a special session with people from mtv, High Times...  As part of their campaign they tried to put together a group that could appeal to the the youth. They were brought together to witness a new age in America, what they got was smoke blown up their ass!  They were told by Clinton/Gore that if they voted for them, they would legalize Marijuana. Of course like all liberal politicians, they threw them under the bus.  They were also told not to complain!




well surely you can link us to something definitive on it, until then it's more rumor

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    #11078016 - 09/17/09 04:28 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Wrong again! I was there!  Because you refuse to believe or to do your own research, doesn't cancel the true facts.  This should be easy for you, it's on video.

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    #11078044 - 09/17/09 04:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

The moral of the story is that Dems promise many things they never intend to keep!

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    #11078156 - 09/17/09 04:47 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Wrong again! I was there!  Because you refuse to believe or to do your own research, doesn't cancel the true facts.  This should be easy for you, it's on video.




Okay, then, what was the venue? What was the date? Who else was speaking? That sounds like an interesting story but it does not jive with my experience in learning about the Clinton/Gore campaign and administrations.

Please don't tell us we refused to do any research. I google'd a combination of Clinton, MTV, High Times, and "legalize", nothing worthwhile came up. After lambasting us that the event took place on camera, I searched YouTube to no effect.

Promising to legalize marijuana seems like it would have been a newsworthy event - feel free to enlighten us with a story that describes your anecdote in greater detail.

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    #11079620 - 09/17/09 08:20 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

i remember a comedian saying Clinton admitted to smoking weed so it must be true:stoned:

seriously if there's a video why hasn't it been posted yet, if a video fails to show up, this will undoubtedly deal a huge blow to potheads worldwide. :bobmarley:


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    #11080366 - 09/17/09 10:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

He admitted it on TDS I think. Good luck getting a video though Viacom are whores against infringement.


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: ScavengerType]
    #11080611 - 09/17/09 10:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

wont matter, it'll be in print and it would have been all over the news for weeks

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11080655 - 09/17/09 10:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Also nobody from the Bush Administration said it would be easy in Iraq! If someone wants to be a revolutionary, use facts.





Its funny how quickly  people forget things. In fact it makes me think digging this up isn't even worth it because you will likely forget it again by the time you read the next topic.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/temp/natsios042303.html


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ANDREW NATSIOS {Administrator of the Agency for International Development, the lead agency that is responsible for rebuilding the infrastructure of Iraq.}
No, no. This doesn't even compare remotely with the size of the Marshall Plan.

TED KOPPEL
(Off Camera) The Marshall Plan was $97 billion.

ANDREW NATSIOS
This is 1.7 billion.

TED KOPPEL
(Off Camera) All right, this is the first. I mean, when you talk about 1.7, you're not suggesting that the rebuilding of Iraq is gonna be done for $1.7 billion?

ANDREW NATSIOS
Well, in terms of the American taxpayers contribution, I do, this is it for the US. The rest of the rebuilding of Iraq will be done by other countries who have already made pledges, Britain, Germany, Norway, Japan, Canada, and Iraqi oil revenues, eventually in several years, when it's up and running and there's a new government that's been democratically elected, will finish the job with their own revenues. They're going to get in $20 billion a year in oil revenues. But the American part of this will be 1.7 billion. We have no plans for any further-on funding for this.




Now we know that the war was/is costing 12.5 billion a month So he could have been technically correct, if he was talking about four days of rebuilding.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Sombie]
    #11080726 - 09/17/09 11:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Also, as for what you guys are saying about Clinton, I don't know if he said that on MTV or not, I couldn't find anything on it, (although I do vaguely remember him saying something controversial on it) but I do know that he was no friend of the marijuana movement.

It was under Clinton, (not Bush as many people think) whom the raids on Medical marijuana started.

From the New York Times March 22nd 1998 (sorry I can't link, its from my college's database and you need a password)

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The Mayors of four California cities have written to President Clinton, urging him to halt a Federal lawsuit that threatens to close clubs that distribute marijuana for medical use.

The letters follow an announcement this week by the San Francisco District Attorney that if the clubs close, city officials might distribute marijuana to patients who say they need it.

Mayor Willie L. Brown Jr. of San Francisco wrote to Mr. Clinton: ''At stake is the well-being of 11,000 California residents who depend on the dispensaries to help them battle the debilitating effects of AIDS, cancer and other serious illnesses. If the centers are shut down, many of these individuals will be compelled to search back alleys and street corners for their medicine.''

The letters were sent to forestall a Federal court hearing here next week in a Government suit against six marijuana buyers' clubs in northern California.

Mr. Brown called on the President to drop the suit and impose a moratorium on enforcing drug laws that ''interfere with the daily operation of the dispensaries.''

Mayors Elihu Harris of Oakland, Steve Martin of West Hollywood and Celia Scott of Santa Cruz sent the President similar messages.

A White House spokesman, Barry Toiv, said the suit would move ahead as planned.

''The civil suits by the Justice Department were a measured step designed to make sure that everybody understands that distribution of marijuana is still a violation of Federal law,'' Mr. Toiv said.

Federal authorities have locked horns with state and local officials over marijuana since 1996, when California voters approved Proposition 215, an initiative to legalize cultivation and distribution of the drug for seriously ill patients.

In January, the Justice Department sued six clubs, in San Francisco, Oakland, Santa Cruz and Ukiah, contending that they had violated the Federal Controlled Substances Act. The six cases were combined into one suit, scheduled for a hearing on Tuesday.

''Until marijuana's medical value is proven and a mechanism is developed for its safe production and distribution, marijuana cannot be legally sold or distributed in California or anywhere else in the United States,'' said a spokesman for the Justice Department, Gregory J. King.

Eighty percent of San Francisco voters supported Proposition 215.

The city could soon become the first in the nation to provide marijuana to residents. This week, District Attorney Terence Hallinan said that if the suit to close the clubs succeeded, the city would continue to provide medical marijuana to patients who needed it, even if city officials had to distribute it themselves. Mr. Hallinan argued in court papers filed on Monday in Federal District Court that without the clubs, ''unregulated, and unregulatable'' street-corner drug dealing would only increase.

A spokeswoman for Mr. Brown, Kandace Bender, said the Mayor supported Mr. Hallinan's plan, although the measure would have to be approved by the Board of Supervisors.

''If it were distributed through the Health Department,'' Ms. Bender said, ''that would be a way to monitor and control the distribution.''

State Attorney General Dan Lungren, while campaigning in the race for governor this week, said he would prosecute any city official who participated in such a distribution plan.




So if he did or did not say that on MTV means nothing, the fact is that he was no friend to the (medical) marijuana movement.


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Sombie]
    #11080971 - 09/17/09 11:55 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

On this I completely agree! Clinton/Gore was no friend.  Marijuana smokers got screwed!  We lost more freedom during their administration than both of the Bush's,and Reagan administrations.  Remember Tipper?  I appreciate the effort, so I will take a look and dredge up that mtv summit. There is also another video of Carter taking money from the Russians, on behalf of the Clinton/Gore campaign.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11080985 - 09/17/09 11:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I suspect that you are right, that he did say something about legalizing it, I'll see if I can't find it as well.

But what about my first post, exposing the lie that the Iraq war was going to be cheap (read: easy)


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    #11081017 - 09/18/09 12:04 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know what you were watching, but I was listening to what Pres.Bush said. Every time he said something he said that it was going to be hard, and that it was going to be a long road.

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    #11081038 - 09/18/09 12:08 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Of course hes going to say its a hard road ahead.

That doesn't change the fact that when his cronies were asked for a figure of the cost they greatly under reported it. The only one who didn't was Rumsfeld because he said it wasn't "helpful" to give figures. If he meant "helpful on selling it to the American people by telling them the truth" then I agree.

Bush's administration spoke for him, and what they told us were outright lies about the relative ease and low cost of the war.


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Sombie]
    #11081087 - 09/18/09 12:17 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I think I found what you were thinking of, but its not coming out in favor of legalization. On MTV during the 2000 campaign Al Gore actually said the opposite. They reference a 1994 interview with Clinton, and I am working on finding that, but its not looking good for you. (sorry, I really thought you were right, but the truth is the truth, so it must be told) I bolded (is that a word?) the important parts.

From The New York Times September 27th 2000
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He did not have to choose between boxers or briefs. But in a lengthy MTV forum today, broadcast tonight, Vice President Al Gore did reveal that he had a compact disc by the alternative rock band Sister Hazel in his CD player right then, that he would probably write for a living if he were not otherwise employed next year, and that he coveted Air Force One more than any other White House perquisite.

Between hip cultural references about Napster and the World Wrestling Federation (''Smackdown!'' Mr. Gore exclaimed when the topic was raised), the vice president explained his support for civil unions between homosexuals, his opposition to the legalization of medical marijuana and his distaste for misogynistic music. He was not asked about his underwear preference, as President Clinton was in a now infamous 1994 MTV forum (''Usually briefs,'' he responded).

Mr. Gore said little in the 90-minute session that he had not said previously during the campaign. But he clearly relished the opportunity to take his case directly to 150 students in an auditorium at the University of Michigan and to a youthful nationwide television audience. A recent poll by MTV found that less than half of those ages 18 to 24 said they planned to vote this year, compared with 80 percent of older Americans.

Wearing khaki Dockers and a sage shirt, Mr. Gore pledged to commit more money to college financial aid, to protect the environment and to safeguard abortion rights. But the drama of the session was provided by the students' ability to personalize questions on subjects the Gore campaign is accustomed to addressing in position papers and statements.

A black student asked Mr. Gore about racial profiling by telling how he was recently surrounded by six police cars while driving with four black friends. A gay man asked why his heterosexual friends should be able to drive to Las Vegas and marry someone they barely know when he cannot form a legal union with a longtime, committed partner. A woman who opposes abortion rights asked about that issue by pointing out that her friends sometimes use abortion as a form of birth control.

Responding to the question about profiling, Mr. Gore pledged to sign a ban on the practice as ''the first civil rights act of the 21st century.''

On gay rights, he said he strongly favors ending discrimination against gays and lesbians. ''I just think we've come to the point in our nation's history where it's time to take that step,'' he said. ''It's indefensible. Let's just leave people alone and stop discriminating against them because of who they fall in love with.''

Mr. Gore said he supported civil unions like those recently approved in Vermont.

On abortion, the vice president said that RU-486, the abortion pill, should be made available once the Food and Drug Administration determines it is safe. He also agreed that the practice should not be used as a form of birth control.

''But I think that it's not for the government to make that choice,'' Mr. Gore said. ''I deeply respect your view and I think actually the pro-life and pro-choice forces in this country have more in common than either side is willing to acknowledge. Both sides would like to see a reduction in the number of abortions, and the way to do that is to reduce the number of situations where women feel like they have to make that choice.''

Mr. Gore also took questions on popular culture and the entertainment industry, which has been a focus of his campaign this month.

He said he did not support censorship. But he also did not hesitate to offer his personal view that Americans should protest entertainment that advocates homophobia, violence against women or racial discrimination. ''I don't go along with the notion that if material like that becomes widely accepted and nobody thinks a second thought about it that there are no consequences to it,'' he said. ''I think that what we listen to and enjoy and spread around in our culture does have an effect on us.''

One student told Mr. Gore he was tempted to vote for Ralph Nader, the Green Party candidate, and challenged him to ''assure me that a vote for Al Gore is a conscientious vote, not simply a vote for the lesser of two evils.'' Mr. Gore cited his support for tough environmental enforcement and consumer protections.

''I don't think anybody wants to feel like they have no options,'' Mr. Gore said. ''At the same time, they don't want to cast a meaningless vote that doesn't have an impact on the outcome.''




Does anyone remember "Sister Hazel"? it was only 9 years ago and I don't have any clue who they are. Just goes to show politicians will pick whomever is the hot band at the moment to try and appeal to the youth crowd.


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    #11081108 - 09/18/09 12:21 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I found the NYT article about the 1994 interview, it says nothing about marijuana, and I don't want to post it and clog this up with more lengthy quotes, but if you want I can.


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    #11082124 - 09/18/09 07:11 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Does anyone remember "Sister Hazel"?




They did "All For You" although many people think that's a Blues Traveler song.



Finally I figured out,
But it took a long long time
Now there's a turnabout,
Maybe cause I'm tryin'
There's been times, I'm so confused
Down my road, will it lead to you?
Just can't turn and walk away

It's hard to say what it is I see in you
Wonder if I'll always be with you
Words can't say it, I can't do
Enough to prove, it's all for you

And I'd thought I seen it all,
Cause it's been a long long time
Oh bothered that we'll trip and fall,
Wonderin' if I'm alive
There's been times, I'm so confused
Down my road, will it lead to you?
I just can't turn, you walk away

Its hard to say what it is I see in you
Wonder if I'll always be with you
Words can't say, and I can't do
Enough to prove it's all for you

Rain comes pourin' down,
Fallin' from blue skies
Words give out a sound,
comin' from your eyes

Finally I figured out,
But it took a long long time
Oh now there's a turnabout,
Maybe cause I'm tryin'
There's been times, I'm so confused
Down my road, will it lead to you?
Just can't turn, you walk away

Its hard to say what it is I see in you
Wonder if I'll always be with you
Words can't say, I can't do
Enough to prove it's all for you

Well it's hard to say what it is I see in you
Wonder if I'll always be with you
Words can't say, I can't do
Enough to prove, it's all for you

Hard to say
Hard to say, it's all for you


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    #11082220 - 09/18/09 07:50 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Wrong again! I was there!  Because you refuse to believe or to do your own research, doesn't cancel the true facts.  This should be easy for you, it's on video.




I call bullshit.

Let's see a source for this. You made the claim; you back it up. That's how things work. It's a pretty simple concept.

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    #11082954 - 09/18/09 12:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Clinton/Gore campaign summit w/High Times,mtv,Norml.  It's not my job to educate the uninformed. Not only that, I'm not here stroking my ego, trying to prove my macho by making someone the winner of a bully word contest. I am here trying to open some minds to the truth.  I offer the truth without prejudice by a well informed citizen. You have already proved that if you don't want to believe in something, you won't. I made a statement, you prove me wrong.  That's how it works.

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    #11083181 - 09/18/09 12:42 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Clinton/Gore campaign summit w/High Times,mtv,Norml.  It's not my job to educate the uninformed. Not only that, I'm not here stroking my ego, trying to prove my macho by making someone the winner of a bully word contest. I am here trying to open some minds to the truth.  I offer the truth without prejudice by a well informed citizen. You have already proved that if you don't want to believe in something, you won't. I made a statement, you prove me wrong.  That's how it works.





Dude, I just showed you that there was no mention of legalization on MTV, and that Gore said the opposite.

I had thought you were right but the facts showed otherwise.

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    #11083306 - 09/18/09 01:02 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Clinton/Gore campaign summit w/High Times,mtv,Norml.  It's not my job to educate the uninformed. Not only that, I'm not here stroking my ego, trying to prove my macho by making someone the winner of a bully word contest. I am here trying to open some minds to the truth.  I offer the truth without prejudice by a well informed citizen. You have already proved that if you don't want to believe in something, you won't. I made a statement, you prove me wrong.  That's how it works.




Clinton/Gore never held a campaign summit with High Times and NORML promising to legalize marijuana if they were elected.

I made a statement, you prove me wrong. That's (apparently) how it works, so have at it.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: THC Titan]
    #11083537 - 09/18/09 01:31 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I should add its nearly impossible to prove something DIDN'T happen (I came as close as you can by showing gore came out against legalization on MTV) its easier to prove something DID happen.

Like I can't prove that I didn't smoke a bowl this morning, but it would be much easier to prove I did, if I did.


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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11083626 - 09/18/09 01:43 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I made a statement, you prove me wrong.  That's how it works.




Clearly you are unfamiliar with how debates (and just general intelligent conversation) work. You made a claim, so you back it up. It is not my job to prove your completely wrong assertion for you.

"Bush Jr. had a three-way with the cast of Hannity and Colmes". Now prove me wrong. Do you see how this is not a correct method of debate?

It is not possible for me to prove you wrong.  To do so I would have to track down what Clinton and gore did every day to find your imaginary event.

Since you are unable to provide proof for your claim, I will accept your inability as an admission that you are wrong.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Redstorm]
    #11086562 - 09/18/09 11:19 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I don't care if Bush had a three way, and you are the one who doesn't understand debates and conversation. I've seen the so called proof you always provide.  If you want to spend hours digging in left wing propaganda to support your positions, be my guest but it's not going to win a debate. The only point you have made is that you need to be right.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11086680 - 09/18/09 11:49 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11087456 - 09/19/09 07:04 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't care if Bush had a three way, and you are the one who doesn't understand debates and conversation. I've seen the so called proof you always provide.  If you want to spend hours digging in left wing propaganda to support your positions, be my guest but it's not going to win a debate. The only point you have made is that you need to be right.




There's nobody but you that remembers a Clinton/Gore campaign event promising to legalize weed.

You must have been tripping face in 1992.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11088114 - 09/19/09 10:36 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't care if Bush had a three way, and you are the one who doesn't understand debates and conversation. I've seen the so called proof you always provide.  If you want to spend hours digging in left wing propaganda to support your positions, be my guest but it's not going to win a debate. The only point you have made is that you need to be right.




:lol:

Thank you for your gracious admission that you are incorrect.

Nobody is going to take the time to do your work for you because no one here takes you that seriously.

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: Redstorm]
    #11092093 - 09/19/09 10:35 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Like all the others, you'll be sitting some where in five ten years and it will hit you like a smack in the face!  That son-of-a bitch was right! I didn't think any one took any one else serious, at least it doesn't look like it. I do a lot of research, and I make sure I know what I'm talking about. I work hard for this information, and I'm not going to give up very much to people who won't listen. For all of the "information" supplied here as proof, I learn very little here.  When I go into a debate, I do so to learn not be important.  :peace:

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Re: Surprise Surprise they are asking for More Troops in Afghanistan [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #11093561 - 09/20/09 07:08 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

If you did any amount of research you would understand the importance of citation.

Nice try, you still haven't shown anything. You can't find support because it doesn't exist.

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