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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #11053423 - 09/13/09 06:42 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I think it can be said that this is simply put not a black and white scenario. There will be young people who are both physically and mentally ready to have sex and will do so, and some of their partners will be much older but it will be consensual and there will be no difference between this and any other form of consensual sex taking place between two human beings.
On the other hand, there will be times where a young person is not ready to become sexually active, either physically, mentally or both. It can be said that sexual acts done against them are violent and predatory in nature. It is for these encounters that these age of consent laws are made.
But in reality, trying to make such a sweeping distinction, that it is either right or wrong, will never work. Sometimes there will be nothing wrong, sometimes it will be a horrible thing. Unfortunately it is not very easy to tell the difference- and especially when that 'save the children' mentality comes around it is too easy to just ban anything that could remotely lead child abuse. Despite how members here may agree on age of consent, I'm sure we can all agree that child abuse is wrong and that is not any of our objectives- but once again, what defines child abuse is also not so black and white.

I think I may be starting to ramble here, so I'll finish up. It's easy to become caught up in an issue as to only be for or against it. In reality we should approach it open ended, and understand that our world most of the time is not so simple as to fit into either a right or wrong category.
The same thing can be see with sexual offenders. Parents and politicians rallied over safety of people and children from these criminals and the sex criminal registration was invented. This seems like a good idea, except what constitunts a sex offender is not clear cut, we now have kids who got drunk and went streaking ending up on this list- obviously not it's intended target.

Ok, I started rambling again. I'm really high right now. I'm not even gonna attempt a conclusion because I will just start rambling again. Hopefully this is understood, because this debate seems to come up often on this board.


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #11053572 - 09/13/09 07:12 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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So stating that really young girls have hormones and get horny is somehow the reverse of older people wanting to have sex with them?
Older people have sex with younger people with both party's consent, this is why I specified that young girls get horny too; otherwise the sexual act would have been rape. As long as all parties involved agree to have sex, the age difference doesn't matter even though some people are stupid and think it does.



My point was that the law doesn't give a shit if the little boy/girl is into it.  The law was designed to scare the crap out of people who want to fuck little boys/girls. 

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Emotional maturity isn't a good excuse either, because there's plenty legal of age people that are almost completely irresponsible for their actions and that have a negligible amount of emotional maturity. Should sex be banned for all these people, regardless of their age, since the aim is to protect the emotional immature from the abuses of the others?




Once again you misunderstand how the law works.  As a society we have decided that to figure out age of consent we are not going to use physical traits such as ability to reproduce.  We are going to use emotional maturity.  Emotional maturity is extremely variable as you have pointed out.  That said how then can we keep this definition in the face of 300 million citizens?  Well lets look at our dear friend Mr. Average.  Is 10 old enough to make a rational decision to ride someones cock?  No.  Is 13?  Debatable but in the average case certainly No.  What about 16?  Very very debatable but in the average case it was determined no.  So we are left with 17 or 18, either one is fine with me however it was arbitrarily picked to be 18.

Now lets restate that a bit, is it arbitrary?  Yes by definition emotional maturity must be an arbitrary age with some not mature enough and some more than mature enough.  But don't let the arbitrary nature of the age let you come to the conclusion that it is bullshit.  An arbitrary law such as this necessitates an arbitrary age. 


Now lets look at other definitions, we can set it at the time when they can physically have kids.  Would this placate you?  But how is this not arbitrary as certainly they have a hole I can stick my dick into right?  And lets be realistic that hole just gets tighter and tighter the younger they get right?  A 6 year old can certainly lower herself down on some penis and perform the act of sex.  Why does being able to reproduce have anything to do with sex?  I think the fact that we have birth control proves that sex and reproduction are seperated by many degrees of freedom.


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: Chespirito]
    #11053613 - 09/13/09 07:20 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

im 28 and id bang sum nice fresh yung 17 year old pussy in a heartbeat!


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: DeadPhan]
    #11053629 - 09/13/09 07:23 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

I fuck underage girls...

God damn I didn't mean to make a discussion

WHO ELSE FUCKS MINORS????

WOOOOOOOOOOO MINOR!!!!

PEACH FUZZ PUSSY!!!


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: Chespirito]
    #11053706 - 09/13/09 07:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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What about 16?  Very very debatable but in the average case it was determined no.  So we are left with 17 or 18, either one is fine with me however it was arbitrarily picked to be 18




Many states have consent ages as low as 15.

The point I was trying to make is the hypocrisy of saying that a 16 year old
can consent to sex but then put a restriction on the age of the partner

Either the 16 year old can consent to sex or not.
I don't see how the age of the partner matters
as long as its over the age of consent.


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: niteowl]
    #11054233 - 09/13/09 08:59 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

The difference is once again down to emotional maturity.  As I see it this is their claim, 'well some people under age are emotionally mature enough for sex, however since they are still kids we should limit their ability to have sex to people within a certain amount of their own age'  Basically they want them to stay with kids their own age and develop into adults first before dealing with old men/women. 

This comes down to my previous point about viewing the 12-13 year olds in a park skipping around.  A 15-16 year old does similar kid like shit, and the lawmakers viewpoint is that they should be able to still do that kid shit so they limit who can penetrate them to people within a certain age range of them.  No 25-30+ year old is going to do that kid shit with them, they will expect the 15-16 year old to do grown-up style dating.  And theres no reason to rush adulthood


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: Chespirito]
    #11054302 - 09/13/09 09:08 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

My own mother has no emotional maturity at all. At first glance you think she just acts sweet and nice, but then you realize she is just a fucking lunatic who can't grow up for 5 seconds. I would go as far as saying she never should have been allowed to have sex at all let alone breed. lol


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: Kada]
    #11054310 - 09/13/09 09:10 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

15 is fine.

Emotionaly mature or not.

Hand over that pussy hole.


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: Chespirito]
    #11054346 - 09/13/09 09:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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The difference is once again down to emotional maturity.





Right, either they are mature enough to have sex or not
if they are mature enough to have sex
the age of their partner is irrelevant


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: niteowl]
    #11054417 - 09/13/09 09:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

USA Travelling citizens17 12/16 12/16 12/16 (Male/Female,Male/Male,Female/Male,respectively) WTF is this? Didn't it used to be 14 in texas? And isn't still 14 in Arkansas where you are? What does the slash 16 mean? Ok got it,the slash is male first then the female age.So it is ok for a 14 yo male but not a 14 yo female.So it is saying 14 yo males are more mature than 14 yo females.so a man,or woman of 21+ years can legally bone a 14 yo male.Hmmm,weird.:confused:
:eek: on the travelling stats.

http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #11054458 - 09/13/09 09:34 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

It is funny to see that some countries/states have a different age for males and females

religious persecution anyone


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: niteowl]
    #11054468 - 09/13/09 09:35 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

a lot of our laws are based on religious ethics.:shrug:


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: blewmeanie]
    #11054480 - 09/13/09 09:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

tis fuckin sad too :shake:


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: niteowl]
    #11054580 - 09/13/09 09:58 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Chespirito said:
The difference is once again down to emotional maturity.





Right, either they are mature enough to have sex or not
if they are mature enough to have sex
the age of their partner is irrelevant



Alright well I'm going to stop arguing with you.  I explained why I felt the law thinks it's not irrelevant and you responded with how you wish the law was.  Maybe you are suited for a 15-16 year old, who knows.


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: Original]
    #11054699 - 09/13/09 10:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

im 21 banging a 17 year old :shrug: shes awesome as fuck.


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: Chespirito]
    #11054784 - 09/13/09 10:31 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Chespirito said:
The difference is once again down to emotional maturity.





Right, either they are mature enough to have sex or not
if they are mature enough to have sex
the age of their partner is irrelevant



Alright well I'm going to stop arguing with you.  I explained why I felt the law thinks it's not irrelevant and you responded with how you wish the law was.  Maybe you are suited for a 15-16 year old, who knows.




:lol:

You keep trying to make this personal.
I have no desire to have sex with anyone other than my wife.


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: mockingbird]
    #11054786 - 09/13/09 10:31 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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im 21 banging a 17 year old :shrug: shes awesome as TO fuck.





LOL,fixed it for you.:wink::smirk:


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: niteowl]
    #11054806 - 09/13/09 10:35 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

Everyone on this forums knows its personal to you, it practically leaps from the screen. Honestly Ive seen you bring this up on so many different occasions.


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #11054812 - 09/13/09 10:36 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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im 21 banging a 17 year old :shrug: shes awesome as TO fuck.





LOL,fixed it for you.:wink::smirk:



cant deny that one my friend cant deny that one lol


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Re: So I Still Like Young Girls... [Re: CosmicLioness]
    #11054848 - 09/13/09 10:40 PM (14 years, 4 months ago)

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Congratulations, you're male.

You're attracted to "underage" females, big whoop. All that means is that you as a male are attracted to females of breeding age. Biology doesn't listen to law.







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