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breaking up good nug? (without a grinder)
    #11045433 - 09/12/09 09:04 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

is it better to:

- break up into tiny pinches that minimize the integral damage to the goods

or

- crumble into fine powder?


I guess I'd add not really breaking it up as an option, but I'm pretty sure it helps to break it up :shrug:


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: the bizzle]
    #11045436 - 09/12/09 09:06 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

uv never broke bud up before??

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: Atheist]
    #11045440 - 09/12/09 09:08 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

What? Just start crumbling it with your fingers :nicekitty:

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: Beanhead]
    #11045450 - 09/12/09 09:11 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Lol puttin' way too much thought into it man. I'd say it's personal preference really. If you want a big fat romp, go with the fine powder. (although you'll burn through the weed a lot quicker)

If you want to take your time with it, break it into small chunks.

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: Atheist]
    #11045451 - 09/12/09 09:12 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

not enough to know for sure whether its better to pinch into a bunch of small, hardly damaged pieces, or to crumble it into fine powder.

with regular, it's usually better to break it up as fine as possible, but with top grade nug I don't know whether that would be doing more damage than good. I saw a video the other day saying to crumble it to powder, but there seem to be conflicting opinions


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: rhyumavampire]
    #11045457 - 09/12/09 09:15 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Lol puttin' way too much thought into it man. I'd say it's personal preference really. If you want a big fat romp, go with the fine powder. (although you'll burn through the weed a lot quicker)

If you want to take your time with it, break it into small chunks.




well I'm trying to make the most of it when it's very expensive. I prefer to crumble weed to powder, I find you get more out of it, and it burns slower, but people always talk about damaging the trichomes by touching it, so I'm just not sure. But you said it burns faster, and I seem to have noticed this with the high grade nug, but not really enough to tell, so I just wanted some second opinions


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: the bizzle]
    #11045464 - 09/12/09 09:17 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Make a powder out of it. Do you really think you will lose potency?

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: Beanhead]
    #11045487 - 09/12/09 09:24 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

lol not really

i just wanted to opinions of someone more familiar with it...thanks


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: the bizzle]
    #11045572 - 09/12/09 09:48 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Lol I still say it just comes down to personal preference bro. Anything wasted by using your fingers isn't going to be enough to make any difference IMO. You say that grinding it to a fine powder makes it burn slower? :oogle: Definitely the opposite for me.

For me...a powdered bowl = a romp that's too fat = a 2 minute coughing session = really really high :gethigh:

And, why would "damaging" the trichomes be bad? Isn't this what happens when kief is pressed into hash? The trichomes are crushed, thus releasing oil, no?

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: rhyumavampire]
    #11045586 - 09/12/09 09:51 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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And, why would "damaging" the trichomes be bad? Isn't this what happens when kief is pressed into hash? The trichomes are crushed, thus releasing oil, no?




i really wouldn't know. I just saw other people say it was, but wasn't sure whether to believe them


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: rhyumavampire]
    #11045594 - 09/12/09 09:52 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Put it on a clean surface and scrape at it with a fork. What comes off is the closest you can get to ground without a grinder. Do not crumble it into a powder, and I recommend against finger-picking as this tends to compact the weed and make for a less enjoyable smoke.


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: the bizzle]
    #11045595 - 09/12/09 09:52 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

As far as THC degradation/loss goes, to minimize that I usually will chop my nugs up with scissors.  Hopefully they aren't completely BONE dry, otherwise you'll see all kinds of crystals falling off (hopefully into your weed pile, but not all of it will land there).  If the pot has a little bit of moisture to it, it should be just enough to keep the trichs from getting brittle and too easily damaged.  That way, when you bust it up with your scissors, very little falls off.. it all just sticks to the weed.  Now the consistency that you chop it to depends on, in my opinion, your purpose.  I like a fine powder for joints, and slightly chunkier pieces in the bong.  The fine powder pulls through way too easily in my bong.  THC will still need some time to degrade even after being physically damaged (by the scissors or whatever), so as long as you bust up your weed and smoke it soon after you will (in my opinion) lose little to no THC/cannabinoids.  By using some small scissors there is not a lot of surface area for crystal damage or loss to occur (due to the size and th oils on your fingers, they will absorb/destroy more THC than snips).  Then when your scissors get caked with crystals, you can scrape it and get a couple nice tokes.

Anyway, to summarize, I guess I would just recommend using some small scissors and make sure your weed isn't bone dry... the consistency you chop to is less important than these 2 factors, in my opinion.

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: shroomer17]
    #11045605 - 09/12/09 09:55 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I was on a kick of using tiny scissors, once. It was fun and worked really well. My fingers didn't get sticky either, which was a bonus.

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: shroomer17]
    #11045607 - 09/12/09 09:55 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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As far as THC degradation/loss goes, to minimize that I usually will chop my nugs up with scissors.  Hopefully they aren't completely BONE dry, otherwise you'll see all kinds of crystals falling off (hopefully into your weed pile, but not all of it will land there).  If the pot has a little bit of moisture to it, it should be just enough to keep the trichs from getting brittle and too easily damaged.  That way, when you bust it up with your scissors, very little falls off.. it all just sticks to the weed.  Now the consistency that you chop it to depends on, in my opinion, your purpose.  I like a fine powder for joints, and slightly chunkier pieces in the bong.  The fine powder pulls through way too easily in my bong.  THC will still need some time to degrade even after being physically damaged (by the scissors or whatever), so as long as you bust up your weed and smoke it soon after you will (in my opinion) lose little to no THC/cannabinoids.  By using some small scissors there is not a lot of surface area for crystal damage or loss to occur (due to the size and th oils on your fingers, they will absorb/destroy more THC than snips).  Then when your scissors get caked with crystals, you can scrape it and get a couple nice tokes.

Anyway, to summarize, I guess I would just recommend using some small scissors and make sure your weed isn't bone dry... the consistency you chop to is less important than these 2 factors, in my opinion.




awesome. thank you very much for taking the time for this post. That's pretty much clears things up :thumbup:


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: the bizzle]
    #11045738 - 09/12/09 10:25 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

scissors for the commercial "bred for density" variety of kine bud.
fingers for "the way god intended" kinds of bud :cool:


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: the bizzle]
    #11045753 - 09/12/09 10:29 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

im always careful when i break my nuggets up. pull apart little pieces and pack em in the bowl.

id be scared to grind it to powder. i would think i would loose some of those precious precious trichomes.


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: PilzeEssen]
    #11045766 - 09/12/09 10:33 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Smoke THAT NUG already... haha

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: moeshroom]
    #11045777 - 09/12/09 10:36 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I say use a grinder. I like finely ground weed because it rolls better. also grinders have a keef catch so all the sticky stuff that would be on your fingers is in a nice little tray for you.
didn't notice the without grinder part, sorry. buy a grinder they are great. in the mean time don't try to break into powder by hand pull the little pieces apart from each other gently.

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: shags420]
    #11045785 - 09/12/09 10:38 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Wait....Are you supposed to break down weed?
I usually just pack in an 1/8th of dank nug into one bowl...


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: Bryooo]
    #11045828 - 09/12/09 10:46 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Well-ground weed (I'm talking like a SharpStone or what have you) is much superior to a nug-chunk, IMO. The air is able to get through it easier and it burns a lot better -- by which I mean more evenly, with less re-lighting, and with smoother smoke. Grinders FTW.


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: Bryooo]
    #11045838 - 09/12/09 10:48 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Just use a pair of scissors and cut it like you would trim hair... That will IMHO lose less crystal.

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: the bizzle]
    #11045851 - 09/12/09 10:52 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

the bizzle said:
- break up into tiny pinches that minimize the integral damage to the good





That's how I do it.

I like to 'peel' the bud away from the stem the way it naturaly comes apart.


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: The Centre]
    #11045937 - 09/12/09 11:11 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

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Just use a pair of scissors and cut it like you would trim hair... That will IMHO lose less crystal.



yeah you're definitely going to lose a lot of crystals if you're trying to get it powdery with your fingers. most of it will get stuck on your fingers. fingers fingers fingers.


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: claraclairvoyant]
    #11046770 - 09/12/09 02:09 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I meant even with a grinder, I mean, they have grinders that collect the crystal that falls off, and it collects quite a bit!

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: The Centre]
    #11046962 - 09/12/09 03:01 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

True that -- but waiting a month then scraping up and vaping all that kief is :vaped:


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: laserpig]
    #11046997 - 09/12/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

how long does kief stay good in a grinder chamber?


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: the bizzle]
    #11047580 - 09/12/09 05:33 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I've got a SharpStone, so the container is both dark and airtight -- which means it stays good a f**kin' long time. :yesnod:


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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: laserpig]
    #11048621 - 09/12/09 08:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know that keef goes bad. it stays good for way longer then you will probably have it. I really think grinders are worth the $20-30, you will be amazed how much keef will be caught off of a joints worth of weed.

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: the bizzle]
    #11048702 - 09/12/09 09:11 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Don't bother trying to powder it, just break it all up into individual calyxes.  Personally I hate breaking up bud by hand (simply because of all the trichomes that end up stuck to your fingers rather than in your bowl), so I usually break it up in a shotglass, using a sharp metal pick to hold the bud in place while picking/sawing/grinding at it with a small serrated blade (I use the blade from a winekey)

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Re: breaking up good nug? (without a grinder) [Re: Entropymancer]
    #11050767 - 09/13/09 08:36 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, you really don't have to worry about keef going bad.

Mine just sits in my keef box which isn't air tight at all. Sometimes I'll save it up for a month before I smoke it.



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