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Enlightenment as Selflessness
    #11039684 - 09/11/09 12:45 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Unless you were born an enlightened being, pursuance of enlightenment is fueled by narcissistic self-interest. Since there appears to be no such thing as bona-fide altruism, enlightenment is paradoxical in its nature.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: Poid]
    #11039747 - 09/11/09 12:57 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

As well as being a fictional, unattainable state.


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11039765 - 09/11/09 12:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)



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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: Poid]
    #11039792 - 09/11/09 01:02 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I am enlightened, now battle me to the death.


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: deranger]
    #11039797 - 09/11/09 01:04 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

That'll be easy, since I'm on PCP and you're sober! :tongue2:


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: Poid]
    #11039851 - 09/11/09 01:12 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

mmm, pcp.  those were the days. 

gotta be some brain damage somewhere up in there.


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: deranger]
    #11039861 - 09/11/09 01:14 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

ORLY? :braindamage:


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: Poid]
    #11039897 - 09/11/09 01:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

rly, i twas one expermental teenger dahurr


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: Poid]
    #11039903 - 09/11/09 01:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
Unless you were born an enlightened being, pursuance of enlightenment is fueled by narcissistic self-interest.




self-interest isn't the same as narcissism.
and enlightenment doesn't mean the same thing to everybody.

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Since there appears to be no such thing as bona-fide altruism, enlightenment is paradoxical in its nature.




:confused:  go take your dogma for a walk


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: abysmal]
    #11039919 - 09/11/09 01:23 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Poid knows all possible definitions of enlightenment, there is no use arguing.


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: abysmal]
    #11039929 - 09/11/09 01:25 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Poid said:
Unless you were born an enlightened being, pursuance of enlightenment is fueled by narcissistic self-interest.




self-interest isn't the same as narcissism.



From Narcissism - Wikipedia
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The term narcissism refers to the personality trait of self-love, which includes the set of character traits concerned with self-image or ego. The terms narcissism, narcissistic, and narcissist are often used as pejoratives, denoting vanity, conceit, egotism or simple selfishness. Applied to a social group, it is sometimes used to denote elitism or an indifference to the plight of others.

Freud believed that some narcissism is an essential part of all of us from birth. Andrew Morrison claims that, in adults, a reasonable amount of healthy narcissism allows the individual's perception of his needs to be balanced in relation to others.

While most people possess some degree of narcissistic traits, higher levels of narcissism can be dysfunctional, and may be classified as pathologies such as narcissistic personality disorder and malignant narcissism. Psychopathy, as defined by the PCL-R, also contains a narcissistic factor.






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and enlightenment doesn't mean the same thing to everybody.



Any given term means the same for everyone; do we need to define our terms?


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Since there appears to be no such thing as bona-fide altruism, enlightenment is paradoxical in its nature.




:confused:  go take your dogma for a walk


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: Poid]
    #11041306 - 09/11/09 05:31 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Unless you were born an enlightened being, pursuance of enlightenment is fueled by narcissistic self-interest. Since there appears to be no such thing as bona-fide altruism, enlightenment is paradoxical in its nature.




It is not enlightenment which is paradoxical, it is the pursuit of enlightenment that could be considered paradoxical... but since a person who pursues enlightenment is not in a state of realization of it, it's not paradoxical, just narcissistic.


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: Poid]
    #11043810 - 09/12/09 01:52 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Unless you were born an enlightened being, pursuance of enlightenment is fueled by narcissistic self-interest. Since there appears to be no such thing as bona-fide altruism, enlightenment is paradoxical in its nature.




Way to miss the boat!


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: Poid]
    #11045134 - 09/12/09 09:24 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Your idea of enlightenment is short sighted. Look to the Truth.


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Re: Enlightenment as Selflessness [Re: explosiveoxygen]
    #11045816 - 09/12/09 12:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

in mahayana buddhism, the bodhisattva ideal is key. this means one would willingly be the last being to go off to paranirvana while assisting countless beings... very far from selfish

no matter how one begins on the path (including being selfish), attainment necessitates selflessness as it involves transcending ego desires.

and enlightenment is real :grin:


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