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Best source for pre-sterilized substrate or spawn?
    #11038793 - 09/11/09 07:42 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hey I just moved in to a new place and didnt bring my pc, ive got some lc started so Im looking for the best deal on presterilized substrate or spawn.
Without naming any names on another forum there is a vendor who is also the moderator of the forum. I was going to go with him simply because it seems like the best guarantee of quality due to his experience whereas other vendors I have no idea who they are or how long my stuff has been sitting made before getting shipped etc...
This vendor offers 20 spawn/substrate bags containing a total of 60 cups of rye/brf mix for $60 US plus $20 US shipping. The rye would be used as spawn, the brf would be fruited invitro.
This vendor also sells 2 pasteurized bags invitro fruiting bags containing 24 cups of coir/donkey poo for $40 us plus $20 us shipping. These bags would be spawned with the colonized rye bags.

Are there any other vendors of presterilized spawn/substrate that can compete with this? Bear in mind Im in Canada so shipping may be a concern
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Re: Best source for pre-sterilized substrate or spawn? [Re: P2K1]
    #11038856 - 09/11/09 08:11 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Your talking about spending $60-80 on a one time investment that could turn south. Your best bet would be to put the LC in a closet and either get a presto 23qt PC or save up a little more and get a better model. It just seems like a waste to spend all that money on 1 run, what if contamination strikes? What if your LC is bad? I to am eager to start another run but I am $75 away from my PC I want. It's worth the wait.:thumbup:


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Re: Best source for pre-sterilized substrate or spawn? [Re: dirtylittlespore]
    #11038863 - 09/11/09 08:16 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I have a PC, I didnt bring it to my new place, the walls are a bit thinner round these parts.
$80 us including shipping for 60 cups of sterilized spawn/substrate is cheaper than it costs to buy 60 jars, 60 cups of rye, 120 filters, and all the other crap. It would be cheaper for me to make my own bags but at the moment Ive done enough rye slave work for now and dont mind letting someone else prep my substrate/spawn, I just want to know if there any other good deals around


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Re: Best source for pre-sterilized substrate or spawn? [Re: dirtylittlespore]
    #11038867 - 09/11/09 08:17 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I say spend the money on a $100 dollar or less pressure cooker and do it yourself. those spawn bags sound funny.... 20 bags with 60 cups? thats three cups each doesnt sound like much. the sub bags sound high too.... you could make them much cheaper.I wouldnt worry about coir either, if poo is available you can go 100% and do great


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Re: Best source for pre-sterilized substrate or spawn? [Re: boogertool]
    #11038899 - 09/11/09 08:30 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I have a $150 pressure cooker in storage. My new place of residence doesnt lend itself to processing industrial amounts of grain. I'm not looking for advice on whether or not I should prepare my spawn myself, I have already decided to let someone else do that.
My question is are there any other vendors that offer an equally reputable product at a comparable price. Ive searched online before and most vendors seem very sketchy  and you have no idea what youre getting or how long its been sitting there waiting for someone to order it.
The vendor im describing is an extremely respected mycologoist who hand prepares every order when it is ordered using his methods refined over decades and if theres anything wrong which ive never seen hell make it right
I get a feeling if I ordered off a random vendor I could get a bunch of old bags with varying moisture contents already going bad in the mail and a response of too bad from the vendor
The bags contain 3 cups for maximum colonization speed. 3 cups is 3 quart jars worth of spawn. So you get the sterilized rye grain to get your spawn and then spawn it to the pasteurized coir/poo bags and close em up
Im not concerned with contams I inoculated 10 LCs today, they were sterilized 3 or 4 days ago, none have any contams. They were inoculated using sterile procedure that hasnt failed me
Grow looks something like this
1. Make LCs, (done)
2. Order spawn bags
3. Inject LC into spawn bags
4. Order substrate bags
5. Put colonized spawn bags into pasteurized substrate bags, mix, close
6. Harvest

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Re: Best source for pre-sterilized substrate or spawn? [Re: P2K1]
    #11038939 - 09/11/09 08:46 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

you consider that industrial amounts of grain? if you have the room to store, incubate and fruit all that you can't prepare it yourself?  one nights work.
it seems money is no object to you so i wouldnt worry about competitors. you speak highly of your dude too so why anyone else? perhaps the best idea would be to click on the vendors and compare prices. that stuff isnt hard to make. and i bet most make it fresh per order.

and about LC's  following the steps is good but most of the time you'll never know if it's contammed till you add it to spawn. Then you'll have a hard time, wondering was it the spores, LC, or spawn...... but if it seems to work for you so far then congrats.... just something to think about, the LC's can be  trojan horse for contams. its not easy to tell just by visual


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Re: Best source for pre-sterilized substrate or spawn? [Re: boogertool]
    #11038945 - 09/11/09 08:49 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

oh and why 60 cups of spawn to 24 cubs of substrate? thats an odd amount


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Re: Best source for pre-sterilized substrate or spawn? [Re: boogertool]
    #11039035 - 09/11/09 09:25 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

60 cups of spawn is one order of spawn bags.
each order of pasteurized invitro fruiting bags contains 2 bags, each one containing 24 cups of substrate. Spawning 2 rye bags to each of these is a 1:4 spawn ratio

If you have taken the time to prepare and sterilize hundreds of jars you know what a logistical nightmare it can become

I'd rather pay someone less than I would have to if I did it myself, without the numerous headaches


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Re: Best source for pre-sterilized substrate or spawn? [Re: boogertool]
    #11039057 - 09/11/09 09:35 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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boogertool said:
you consider that industrial amounts of grain? if you have the room to store, incubate and fruit all that you can't prepare it yourself?  one nights work.
it seems money is no object to you so i wouldnt worry about competitors. you speak highly of your dude too so why anyone else? perhaps the best idea would be to click on the vendors and compare prices. that stuff isnt hard to make. and i bet most make it fresh per order.

and about LC's  following the steps is good but most of the time you'll never know if it's contammed till you add it to spawn. Then you'll have a hard time, wondering was it the spores, LC, or spawn...... but if it seems to work for you so far then congrats.... just something to think about, the LC's can be  trojan horse for contams. its not easy to tell just by visual




I'd be placing more than one 60 cup order of spawn, thats just the basic unit. What's the most amount of jars you've processed in a day? For that $80 order Id have to go out and individually buy 60 jars, 60 cups of rye, enough tyvek for 120 filter pieces, micropore tape, rubbing alcohol, spray, paper towels, cut 120 filters to size, hammer 60-120 lid holes, fill each jar with 1 cup of rye grain, fill the jar halfway with HOT WATER (Once the hot water runs out you have to stop or youre going to have a jar full of plants soon enough), shake the shit out of it, pour the hot water out while keeping in the grain, fill it up with HOT WATER again, shake it again, strain it again, then smack the jar so the grain settles and then fill it so the water is just a mm or so below the grain line, then wipe clean the inner upper and outer ring and place the inner lid, the filters and the outer lid, screw on then screw off a quarter then cover with foil and throw in the PC. oh ya and u hav to do that 60 times. Oh ya and you can only put 7 in the PC at a time, and if you run out of hot water for the rinse your jars are gonna germinate and if you let them sit too long they germinate, which is exactly what happens when youre processing hundreds of jars and pcing em 7 at a time and the pc needs to warm up, cook, then decompress

If I had experience making bags it would make sense but even then the grain needs to be processed just the same. soaking and boiling? fuck that

It just doesnt make sense to pay more for the right to slave


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Re: Best source for pre-sterilized substrate or spawn? [Re: P2K1]
    #11039076 - 09/11/09 09:43 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Regarding LCs, I sterilized 10 LCs 3 or 4 days ago. And injected them tonight.
Each of them is less than 4% honey with barely a golden tint to it. Theyre in plastic containers with crystal clear visibility.
None of them have anything growing in them at the time of inoculation.
When these LCs that were left on their own develop clouds of mycellium in a few days I know they're going to be clean samples unless I purchased a poisoned syringe, in which case every single LC will be contaminated.
This is the same strategy as setting a jar aside without injecting it after sterilizing it. If it contaminates your sterilization process is flawed.
I have 10 LCs, all of which are labelled. If everything that is inoculated with LC 1 grows the same contam, LC 1 is contaminated.
If 20 substrates are inoculated with LC 2 and 1 gets a contam, the error is most likely a breach in sterile procedure for that inoculation


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Mataspore said:
P2K1 is the winn-ar.
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Re: Best source for pre-sterilized substrate or spawn? [Re: P2K1]
    #11045396 - 09/12/09 10:48 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

If money is no problem and you don't want to do it yourself then go with the guy you know and trust. If you have that much confidence and are willing to pay someone then you might as well pay for the name you trust. I doubt he would be outragiously more expensive than the others so go with what you know.:thumbup:


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