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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11036519 - 09/10/09 08:20 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

DieCommie did not say that.


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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: Green_T]
    #11036607 - 09/10/09 08:32 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Green_T said:
The fire department used to be run by by private companies instead of the state. People would have to buy their fire insurance from a particular company, and put their emblem on the buildings protected.

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Even after the formation of paid fire companies in the United States, there were disagreements and often fights over territory. New York City companies were famous for sending runners out to fires with a large barrel to cover the hydrant closest to the fire in advance of the engines. Often fights would break out between the runners and even the responding fire companies for the right to fight the fire and receive the insurance money that would be paid to the company that fought it.


- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_firefighting

Would the fire department work better if it worked like health care, if the companies were private and only helped you had you paid for their service? Why was it "socialized"?




I'm pretty sure we saw entire cities burned down under private fire coverage (Chicago anyone?).


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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: Shroomism]
    #11036613 - 09/10/09 08:33 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Canadians have to wait in line for free care or they can pay to come here.

I just don't have it period since I can't afford it and I live here. I don't see whats so great. I'll take shitty healthcare over none.




And I'll take waiting in line over not being able to afford any insurance at all.


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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: Shroomism]
    #11036619 - 09/10/09 08:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
Canadians have to wait in line for free care or they can pay to come here.

I just don't have it period since I can't afford it and I live here. I don't see whats so great. I'll take shitty healthcare over none.





never heard of a county health department, I just dont understand how you cant afford free

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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: jewunit]
    #11036623 - 09/10/09 08:35 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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jewunit said:
I'm not so sure that's true. I'm sure major advances in the medical field, among other fields, happened before what we now call our education system.




You'd be incorrect.


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InvisiblePrisoner#1
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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: Silversoul]
    #11036627 - 09/10/09 08:36 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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It should also be noted that there were plenty of American seniors going to Canada to get their prescriptions, until the American government cracked down on it due to pharmaceutical companies not liking competition.

Most Canadians get better, cheaper coverage than Americans.




many were going to mexico as well, what's neat is that you can also buy
them from any other country through various sources, usually much cheaper
even after postage, at least up to a 3mos supply

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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: Ferris]
    #11036640 - 09/10/09 08:38 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Ferris said:
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Shroomism said:
Canadians have to wait in line for free care or they can pay to come here.

I just don't have it period since I can't afford it and I live here. I don't see whats so great. I'll take shitty healthcare over none.




And I'll take waiting in line over not being able to afford any insurance at all.





one more time for those that cant grasp it

there's publicly funded hospitals, state and county health departments,
loads of sources for medical care at no cost to you as a patient, it's
all tax dollars at work

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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11036817 - 09/10/09 09:07 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Is it wise to have a criminal justice system that has profit as their agenda?

How the fuck is that a good idea?

Isn't that profiting from crime? :flowstone:
Where do you draw the line between
law enforcement and criminal activity
in a situation like that

Private prisons :dudewtf:

:confused:

If America continues down this quest for
profitprofitprofit
then our society will end up falling apart


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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11037220 - 09/10/09 10:05 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

As a Canadian, I want to properly represent what I think of our health care system.

It's great.

I've never had any problems or delay getting medicine or treatment that I've needed.

My grandmother had breast cancer. It was taken care of quickly. My father had to have an operation done on his shoulder. It was taken care of quickly. My girlfriend's dad had his appendix burst. It was taken care of immediately. My grandmother's boyfriend has an entire list of health problems. He's been taken care of very well here in Canada. He's had heart surgery here, with little delay.

I don't personally know anyone who has had a problem with the health care system here.

Say there is a delay though, for something major that is life threatening. If you do want the operation to be done quicker, you could go to the US and spend, oh I don't know, $200k+ for the operation?

That will only benefit a very small percentage of people (the very wealthy).

The Canadian health care system is good for people who are not incredibly wealthy, and the US system is good for those who are.

Since by FAR most of the population is not incredibly wealthy, the Canadian health care system would benefit the highest percentage of people in the country.

To me, having the most number of people protected and covered is the best solution.

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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: niteowl]
    #11037337 - 09/10/09 10:20 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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niteowl said:
Is it wise to have a criminal justice system that has profit as their agenda?




the criminal justice system is not profit driven, it's publicly funded,
8% of the penal institutions in the US are privately owned if that's
what you're getting at and if that's the case then guess what, there's
less waste in a private system because they're looking to turn a profit, 
while the government run facilities just keep requesting larger budgets

both receive public funding but one makes better use of that funding so
that they can pocket the difference, I see no issue with it because it's
not nearly as wasteful, private prisons usually pay guards better,
provide better benefits and in turn have higher retention rates which
means less training of new personnel.

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/(S(w0vwbf45ujkf2b55oyd2t4bc))/displayNews.aspx?newsid=191&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

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How the fuck is that a good idea?




how the fuck is it not a good idea

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Isn't that profiting from crime? :flowstone:




isnt writing laws profiting from crime? lets arrest the politicians

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Where do you draw the line between
law enforcement and criminal activity
in a situation like that





easy as I explained a dozen or more posts ago, police departments are
state licensed and run, they arent private, their goal isnt to fill the
prisons to max capacity and the police dont sentence people to prison,
the judge does but only AFTER they've been adjudicated guilty

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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: Ferris]
    #11037381 - 09/10/09 10:24 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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jewunit said:
I'm not so sure that's true. I'm sure major advances in the medical field, among other fields, happened before what we now call our education system.




You'd be incorrect.




You can't be serious. How long has our current education system been in place?  I'll give it since the beginning of the 20th century which is surely generous.
You're saying every major advancement in human history has come since 1900 til now? Obviously not.


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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #11037416 - 09/10/09 10:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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HeavyToilet said:
The Canadian health care system is good for people who are not incredibly wealthy, and the US system is good for those who are.




why is no one able to grasp the concept that here in the US, we have
both systems in place, the public health care system actually has
redundancy built in, if you cant be approved for the government
insurance then you hit the health department and they give you referrals
to other doctors and the state picks up the tab



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To me, having the most number of people protected and covered is the best solution.




big fucking deal if 45 million are uninsured, 20 million are illegals,
how well would the canadian system fare if 4 million people rushed into
canada for free health care in which you're paying the taxes, the other
25 million can still make use of the department of health and human
services, we have it on the federal, state and county levels

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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #11037524 - 09/10/09 10:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

My mom has no income at all, she gets food stamps, that's it. She takes care of an old man for room and board, and he throws a tiny bit of cash at her under the table every once in a while.

Anyways, she has breast cancer, kidney stones, and some fucked up wart or something that has dried out all of the skin and flesh almost half way though one of her fingers.

She got on this shit called the Indigent healthcare program, or something along those lines. She's been getting a lot of shit taken care of for free, including dental work, and free vicodin. :thumbup:

So these programs do exist.

But, I believe the only reason she qualifies for it is she has absolutely no income.

What about someone like me, this year I worked 7 months and made probably a little over 10 grand.

I doubt I qualify for anything. And my employer never gave me health insurance, they always find a way of fucking you for a long time by holding certain enrollment periods, and never mentioning them to you.

I would buy my own health insurance, I've tried. But every where I look, people want to charge me around 150 dollars a month. I'm 22, with no prior health problems. I think that's a tad outrageous.

What about all of the people where I am, young, and below the poverty level?

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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: Rustifer]
    #11037650 - 09/10/09 11:08 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Rustifer said:

What about someone like me, this year I worked 7 months and made probably a little over 10 grand.

I doubt I qualify for anything.




I think you might be surprised, you'd at least qualify for medicaid
because your earnings are way under poverty level, I've been out of work
for almost 2 years, no earnings at all but I wouldnt qualify because I
have real estate holdings I could liquidate

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Re: Non-profit organizations [Re: jewunit]
    #11038011 - 09/11/09 12:34 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Ferris said:
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jewunit said:
I'm not so sure that's true. I'm sure major advances in the medical field, among other fields, happened before what we now call our education system.




You'd be incorrect.




You can't be serious. How long has our current education system been in place?  I'll give it since the beginning of the 20th century which is surely generous.
You're saying every major advancement in human history has come since 1900 til now? Obviously not.




I'm talking about advances that led to the increase in life expectancy.  Almost all of these advances occurred in the 20th century, whereas the public education system was implemented in the mid to late 19th century.

I'd go as far as to say that there is a positive correlation with education level and the advancement of medical science and the increase of life expectancy.  Actually, I'm sure there is between all three.


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